Jarrad Branthwaite

FrankDrebin said:
Yep.
We've had our fair share of good to very good United players who weren't consistently in the England first 11 or squad.
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I agree in that not making an England squad doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player. He quite clearly is.

I do think it puts into perspective the lunacy of slapping a £70m price tag on him though.

If his agent has any sense, he’ll be signing a contract with a release clause of a little over half that amount. Otherwise he’ll see out his deal and sign a nice big contract with a signing on fee somewhere else next year.
 
De Light, Yoro, Maguire, Mazroui, Heaven... With at least one of Martinez and Shaw to recover to some sort of fitness I think we are covered quite well.

We should also put Dalot as a RCB, as he's not good enough as a wingback and add Collyer and Casemiro in the mix too for ultimate CB crysis solution.

I think we will save money here and rather spend wisely. If anything we buy a prospect like the young Argentinian guy but that might be after other more pressing positions are sorted.
 
Right now this is not an area we’re we are lacking… and this guy is over hyped and in my opinion
 
He's not as bad as people on here make out and but not as good as Everton think he is. One thing he has going for him that we don't have is height. How many goals have we conceded this year by corners, crosses into the box etc. He also has decent pace and good one to one defending. Its only his passing that is decent but not elite but he does play for Everton so how are you supposed to know? If we do sign him I think the fans would be won around. He wouldn't be first on my list but I could see why we would buy him
 
UpWithRivers said:
He's not as bad as people on here make out and but not as good as Everton think he is. One thing he has going for him that we don't have is height. How many goals have we conceded this year by corners, crosses into the box etc. He also has decent pace and good one to one defending. Its only his passing that is decent but not elite but he does play for Everton so how are you supposed to know? If we do sign him I think the fans would be won around. He wouldn't be first on my list but I could see why we would buy him
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think our goals from corners has been decreasing.
 
UpWithRivers said:
He's not as bad as people on here make out and but not as good as Everton think he is. One thing he has going for him that we don't have is height. How many goals have we conceded this year by corners, crosses into the box etc. He also has decent pace and good one to one defending. Its only his passing that is decent but not elite but he does play for Everton so how are you supposed to know? If we do sign him I think the fans would be won around. He wouldn't be first on my list but I could see why we would buy him
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We've got 2 of the tallest centre backs in the league
 
Feel like Branthwaite would be a pointlessly expensive signing at centre back.

Ideally, I think we could do with another centre back this summer but I don't think it's a position which we should be forking out a boatload of money to improve.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
Feel like Branthwaite would be a pointlessly expensive signing at centre back.

Ideally, I think we could do with another centre back this summer but I don't think it's a position which we should be forking out a boatload of money to improve.
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Yep, the days of whopping out huge fees seem behind us. But if we did spend big, it'd need to be on a proper game changer, ideally a starting striker.
 
I still think he'd be a great signing at the right price. If we could get him for £50m and sell Martinez for £30-35m that'd represent great business for me.
 
Lentwood said:
I still think he'd be a great signing at the right price. If we could get him for £50m and sell Martinez for £30-35m that'd represent great business for me.
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Unfortunately injury prone players are worth basically zero, as nobody wants them if they’re never fit. Mount or Shaw are good players on paper, but how much money would we get for them if we tried to sell? Martinez is in that category until at least January
 
2 man midfield said:
Unfortunately injury prone players are worth basically zero, as nobody wants them if they’re never fit. Mount or Shaw are good players on paper, but how much money would we get for them if we tried to sell? Martinez is in that category until at least January
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I'd agree in general but Martinez' injuries are more impact than muscular.

Might be right about clubs not wanting to gamble after his ACL injury but £30m for an Argentine international must be appealing to someone like Atletico or Inter.

I think he'd be fine in another league but he's not a top PL CB for me. Unfortunately lacks the pace and height, and you can't get away from that in this league.
 
Lentwood said:
I'd agree in general but Martinez' injuries are more impact than muscular.

Might be right about clubs not wanting to gamble after his ACL injury but £30m for an Argentine international must be appealing to someone like Atletico or Inter.

I think he'd be fine in another league but he's not a top PL CB for me. Unfortunately lacks the pace and height, and you can't get away from that in this league.
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Thing is, for the sort of money we’d get for him I’d rather we kept him around. As you say, his injuries aren’t muscular even if they are frequent, so there’s every chance once he’s over this latest injury that he stays fit. It’s a gamble I’d rather we took than someone else, especially if we’re selling on the cheap.
 
Doesn't make any kind of sense to me to be honest at this point in time. If were buying a centre back you'd want a more experienced player really wouldn't you? Going forward its hard to see a future beyond a year or so for all of Evans, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw and possibly Martinez. De Ligt and Mazraoui is a thin selection and the likes of Yoro and Heaven (and probably Branthwaithe too) will need someone with a bit of experience.
Maguire's contract is up next season, Branthwaithe will have 3 PL seasons under his belt at that point and be in the last year of his contract. I'd forget it till then.
 
mav_9me said:
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I haven't seen a great deal of him, but have been keeping tabs ever since we were linked. From what I have seen, he's a centre back who appears to tick all three boxes (good in the air, capable on the ball and decent recovery pace). He's left footed, but is comfortable passing out with his right too. I'd much rather we pursued him than Branthwaite because he'd come at half the price and significantly less in wages.
 
Lentwood said:
I'd agree in general but Martinez' injuries are more impact than muscular.

Might be right about clubs not wanting to gamble after his ACL injury but £30m for an Argentine international must be appealing to someone like Atletico or Inter.

I think he'd be fine in another league but he's not a top PL CB for me. Unfortunately lacks the pace and height, and you can't get away from that in this league.
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Even if fit, he’s not good enough. We have been making excuses for his lack of height and poor pace ever since he’s arrived, and he’s not even aggressive anymore. He’s simply not good enough. He doesn’t even have any versatility, would be seriously outclassed in midfield or at LWB.
 
There is no way we are going to spend anywhere near what Everton will want for this guy. He's not nearly worth that and we have limited resources. Waste of time.
 
The thing with Branthwaite is not about him playing as LCB, it's more about him playing at CCB with the ability to play LCB.

Branthwaite can replace Maguire, Shaw, Martinez all in one transfer. I don't think Everton would ask for what they did last summer because he had a worse season.
 
This is not a position we should be prioritizing. We need a striker and we need midfielders with legs
 
When fit we’ve got Martinez, Heaven and Shaw as a left sided centre back whilst also having Kukonki also coming through and extremely highly rated so Branthwaite is pointless as a signing.
 
2 man midfield said:
Thing is, for the sort of money we’d get for him I’d rather we kept him around. As you say, his injuries aren’t muscular even if they are frequent, so there’s every chance once he’s over this latest injury that he stays fit. It’s a gamble I’d rather we took than someone else, especially if we’re selling on the cheap.
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I just really don't think he's the right profile for this league or this system. He's a good player, a good passer of the ball, likeable character...he's just not for me as a PL CB. It's not just his height, he's also too slow. Our three CBs need to be big, athletic lads, especially the two wider CBs, presuming De Ligt will be the 'centre centre back'
 
Let’s not waste money on him. When we need a ST, RWB, AM and CM. If we really wanted a LCB then Inacio is better than this guy.
 
With a transfer budget so limited why would we spend so much on an area where we are well stocked

Yoro, Mazraoui, De Ligt, Maguire, Martinez, Heaven and most likely the mainly unavailable Shaw will make up our CB options - Dalot as an emergency option

if there was a other Heaven style transfer then you pull the trigger but there are bigger priorities elsewhere
 
Drainy said:
I'm thinking he might be seen as a class long term prospect as the centre position as well as covering the other spots.
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Maybe. But I’d definitely put a ST as a priority so that’s where most of our budget needs to be spent. On someone that can score goals. A ST is probably going to be the most expensive signing for us in the summer.
 
As last cover for a central centre back he'd be a great signing. Him, Heaven and Yoro means you have a very fast back line, but it also means we can push up quite high with Yoro and Heaven because he's very effective in his duels and box defending.
 
He gotta be one of the most overrated transfer targets in recent times.
 
I’m just so glad we didn’t cave and splunk crazy amount of money on this guy like we would have in previous seasons.
 
Not massively impressed by him, if we are going to spend some money on another CB this summer I cannot say that Branthwaite excites me, in addition I am not sure how he fits, so assuming we have Deligt, Yoro, Heaven, Martinez and Mazraoui (as he will not be playing wingback), (not forgetting we will still have Maguire unless we manage to offload, which I doubt given his wages).

I guess if we are spending north of £40m on him (god I hope not) then I assume he starts, which me we are benching 3 of the 5/6 players mentioned! I am all for rotation but am not sure his profile is the best fit, I would much rather pay around the same amount (or less) for Ignacio, much more progressive, much more experience and is just as good in midfield, giving us cover in the 6/8 position, or I would like to see a youth player brought in or promoted, for my money signing Branthwaite creates more problems than it solves, we have been solid at the back, yes we have had injuries but £40/50m+ on a player that plays 1 position, when we need cover in so many more positions (I can also see Martinez moving forward into DM for Amorim).

He is one of the most over-rated, over-priced and underwhelming players we have been linked with, if his price tag was £25m I would be alright, it is a good deal, some meat left on the bone, but he is just not a £50+ CB for me, I hope INEOS do not repeat the mistakes of old.
 
Not seeing the need, to be honest. The club has signed 4 new centre backs (De Ligt, Mazraoui, Yoro and Heaven) since making the declined bid for Branflake last summer.
 
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