I kindly ask you google Tom Cleverly, Aston Villa, and Everton. They are no friends of ours.
Jarrad Branthwaite
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I generally agree, however it appears the majority of Bayern fans are perplexed by his sale, think he would be a solid signing , but wouldn't want us to overpay.
I don't have an issue with them not accepting "market value" for him. Sometimes a player is simply worth more to their current club.
I'm just confused by the idea that they are somehow going to navigate the summer without selling him, whilst also avoiding giving him a new contract that includes a significant pay increase and/or a clause that allows him to leave next summer for a "market value" fee.
There seems to be some sort of delusion amongst Everton fans that they a) aren't still financially in the shit, without proper owners, regardless of their short-term position (which is propped up by yet more borrowing), and b) aren't very much expected to be in yet another relegation battle.
I dont think Maguire was pitched as fair value. It was pitched as them being reluctant sellers who'd need a big, big fee to consider it. Caicedo wasn't pitched as fair value, it was very much we dont want to sell after already losing a few players and they were forced to the table by the player kicking up a fuss. They were helped a fair bit by Liverpool throwing a generous offer on the table and competing for his signature.
Both were being sold in a pretty limited market with few alternatives to clubs with very specific needs. They were widely thought of as being overpriced with the caveat that if they worked out no one would care.
They can pitch Branthwaite on an overpriced, excessive figure and sell him on that premise (probably not this season tbf). But it being fairly explicit that your charging a premium helps to keep the price of contract extensions in check.
If they accepted his true value is around 50m they could afford a contract that reflected that - and he'd probably be thrilled to get that kind of wage. Whatever they offer him now is going to feel like being shortchanged because they've spent the summer telling anyone and everyone who'll listen that he's a generational talent worth 70m+, offers of 35-45m are an insult (and thus you imagine the wage of a 35-45m player would in turn be an insult).
I always pitch my poker hands at fair value.
Didn't Brighton reject 70-80m for Caicedo and then put him on a deal of only roughly 60k though?
No, they agreed a deal of 60k and rejected an offer of 70-80m months later. At which point he basically went on strike.
I'm reading that the deal he signed in March after the January transfer bid of 70-80m was 60k.
Yeah, seems your right. I guess going on strike suggests it didn't keep him happy for long.
I think there had to be some understanding from Everton’s part…that Utd have been terrible in recent years with regards to their transfers. And the new regime wants to do business and pay what others might. For too long we’ve been a cash cow for many clubs and it had to stop.
Everton came in to the deal still expecting Utd of old and quite frankly, that’s on them for being naive enough to expect us to crumble.
And now they’ve backed themselves into a corner because his agent has an easy conversation. Pay my client what a 70m player is entitled to
The fees paid previously for others is irrelevant. See first paragraph!! We’ve got Yoro (arguably higher ceiling)cheaper. Likely De Ligt will follow cheaper (serial winner already)…and that is now the benchmark for Utd re Branthwaite. Not Maguire, Hojlund and Antony
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Perhaps they can take a stand out of the new stadium so they can pay him his worth? #freebranthwaite
I don't think it's that far fetched. If they hold firm and don't sell him this year, What's he going to do? Sure his agent might be throwing their words back at him, but he's under contract. He might be frustrated -angry even - but it's in his interests to turn up and perform.
Well Everton can and will value their player at whatever they want. However, when the club decides to move on to another target and sign said target, acting annoyed and getting all arsey about it is really weird. Also, if said player wanted to leave and feels Everton blocked him from that they have to deal with the consequences of that. Entering contract negotiations with a player they just stopped from a 160k contract will be tricky.
Yeah, that was an odd one. It must have been with a guarantee he’d be sold that summer for the best deal that they could get, as it made absolutely zero sense otherwise.
I do seem to remember him moaning about a gentleman's agreement didn't he? I think most of the comments on here were that he was foolish to take it.
I kind of wish i could quote from the locked transfer thread
"Can still see him leaving this summer for a similar price." "Brighton are a fair and sensible club. They will sell for the right price."
Guess who?
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He's on 35k. He'll get that anywhere, no matter how much or how shite he is this season. He'll also have two years left on his contract next summer, which basically makes it their last chance to try and command a "full" fee, and that's if they stay up, which they might well need him to do.
It's a gamble, and I can't blame them for taking it, I just think it's incredibly fanciful for them to think he's going to be happy on his current wage after all the hyping up they've done this summer. I can't see how they can publicly claim him to be among their most valuable assets, but then not pay him accordingly.
I don't think it's weird that they've rejected our offer(s) for him, I just think it's odd that their fans seem to think he's going to be content on £35k a week when, by all accounts, we'd already agreed to pay him about four times that.
There's also the fact that Everton, whether they like it or not, are very much seen as a "stepping stone" in the Premier League. feck around too much and they become a less attractive prospect to future "Brainthwaites" ,who won't want to risk missing out on a big move,
Yes this was pretty hilarious to be honest.
He's a promising young player that has only played one season in the Everton first team. Yes, he's likely to be annoyed at the money, but is he going to go on strike or down tools? Probably not. He'll still want to perform every week, because if he doesn't will there be the same suitors for him next summer?
And yes, Everton are risking missing out on his peak value if he doesn't sign a new contract, but they're not in a position to just chuck money at him. They might reasonably assume their chances of fighting relegation are better with him in the team, especially because if they try to replace him it'll likely mean a new player on higher wages.
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I’m sure if he doesn’t move he’ll agree a contract on far better terms.
Everton have three options:
Everton have three options:
- Sell for ~£50m
- Keep and raise his wages to ~£150,000
- Keep and stick to current contract
Having lost Onana already I can easily see why Everton are playing hardball on this one. In fairness to the player though, they should at least offer him a good wage increase considering how much they value him. That said, the truth is he didn’t make the England squad for the Euros, but if fit, Maguire would almost certainly have made it - that’s the yardstick.
At first glance he doesn't seem like a player who'll kick up a fuss. He would have by now if he was going to. The opportunity looks past at this point anyway. You'd want him to keep his head down and let his agent deal with it. Thats the best outcome for everyone involved, including people looking to buy him.
And he'll take a good deal today over a great deal that might never come. They've given his agent good leverage but they have enough time and excuses to play hardball for a while themselves. I expect they'll figure it out.
City's trial in November could change things drastically so it would probably be sensible to wait it out. Newcastle could find a dozen new record breaking sponsors just in time for January.
I don't think we disagree. It's a gamble I understand, I just don't quite get the posturing from Everton fans.
I also don't think it's necessarily a case of him deliberately downing tools, but more of a case of his performance levels not being quite there because of the off-field issues. We've seen it happen with many players, for many reasons, but commonly because of contract disputes.
False comparisons for me as attacking players generally go for much more than defensive players (and obviously the Antony transfer was woefully negotiated by us and he went for way above what he should have - so poor example to point at an extreme than the norm).
What Everton accepted for Onana - a 22 year old CM with PL experience and already established himself with Belgium, is about the same fee that Branthwaite should be going for as well. Whatever the reasons they have for adding £20m onto the fee - English Tax, United Tax, only prepared to sell one of them, or whatever - none of it is reflective of a £20m higher level of ability between the two players. And usually you'd pay more for a similar ability midfielder than for a defender (and more for a striker than for a midfielder), not the other way around.
As per The Athletic update I've just had, he's asked Everton to match the wage offer from United.
This is quite standard negotiating in any industry, they will know that he is worth that in the market and Everton should at least get much closer to that if they rate him that highly. I doubt he or his agent expect them to match it.
Has that happened, though? Have Everton been acting like that about us seemingly moving on to other targets? A small portion of fans on Twitter doesn't count.
True, but then again there are no guarantees with any new signing. Veron and DiMaria were in their prime and world class yet they flopped at Old Trafford. Then you have players like Keane and Cantona, who were world class adjacent at best before coming to Old Trafford yet became global legends. Then you have players like Park Ji-Sung who was perhaps never world class but wildly exceeded even the most optimistic expectations.
The bet, putting legitimate concerns about the right price, is either going to be on a proven world class player returning to world class or on a player who shows glimpses (which I haven't seen) of potential world class form. It's a risk either way.
I highly doubt it, but is it related with him possibly leaving if he is not signing new contract?
Nope. We need a new CB regardless. Godfrey has left and Keane and Holgate are shite.
Gives us that cover if he does leave though.
Not sure you’ll find O’Brien is much better
I guess we may find out.
How long does Jarrad have on his contract?
Three years.
Oh! Him not signing a new contract is not a big deal then.
Better than?
Keane, Holgate
It's too early to say and he's looked very promising at Lyon.
Time will tell I supposrv
I just have this feeling we will see this picture on a Ornacle or Romano tweet in a couple of weeks
The quality is far too high for a Romano tweet.I just have this feeling we will see this picture on a Ornacle or Romano tweet in a couple of weeks