Jarrad Branthwaite

SilentWitness said:
That article you're all quoting says that Branthwaite is apparently on 70k yet every source up until now has said it's 35k. So either it's full of absolute shite and clickbait or everyone else is wrong.
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Yeah, I also find that pretty hard to believe.
 
I don't really understand Evertons weird stance on this, 50 million is fair. Take the money and buy some decent players for your long ball relegation fight.
 
Redcafe listened to that Daily Mail skit, and instead of taking it as a joke went "that makes sense".

 
The PL is so strange that this guy gets valued anywhere close to the figures mention. Didn't even stand out in the Eredivisie.

He's physical sure, but lacks in so many areas that you'd want from a CB at a top club. No club misses out on letting Everton keep their prized possession.
 
A £75m value player must also be worth a relatively equivalent wage, right?
 
Phil said:
A £75m value player must also be worth a relatively equivalent wage, right?
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My thoughts exactly. How can they justify to him he can’t have 160k pw while simultaneously telling us he’s so fantastic that he’s worth 75 mil?
 
Ole'sattheWheel said:
My thoughts exactly. How can they justify to him he can’t have 160k pw while simultaneously telling us he’s so fantastic that he’s worth 75 mil?
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They can justify not giving him that money because it would break their wage structure. But if they say that then they're effectively saying he's too good for them and that they want to hold his career and earning capacity back by keeping him anyway.
 
Transfer fees are always more than just the value of a players talent.

Everton were in need of cash earlier in the window but with a few sales they are not desperate anymore so they can ask for whatever they like.

Time will tell if it was the correct decision or not.
 
Ole'sattheWheel said:
My thoughts exactly. How can they justify to him he can’t have 160k pw while simultaneously telling us he’s so fantastic that he’s worth 75 mil?
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Do you think United would accept a 75m bid for Mainoo? He's on 20k, and the next contract won't be 160k.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Do you think United would accept a 75m bid for Mainoo? He's on 20k, and the next contract won't be 160k.
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We would then have to revise his salary mate which we probably will soon enough
 
Remember the geese said:
He has. It's been widely reported.
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Yes. By who? Right now, for instance, we are talking about this because of a report from Daily Mail who thinks he already earns 70k. That is of course bullshit.

Look at what other United players earn. It would be more than Shaw, more than Martinez. More than Eriksen who joined on a free. He would be the best paid defender minus Maguire, and earn way more than the other players United have signed this window. Garnacho is probably going to get his second contract extension already, as a reward for being the only shining light in attack and being one of the most sought after talents in his age group, and he's not going to get 160k.
 
Haha I like it. They say he is a generational talent, except when it comes to his salary, there he is only a young player with a bit of potential. What a shitty club
 
Prodigal7 said:
They can justify not giving him that money because it would break their wage structure. But if they say that then they're effectively saying he's too good for them and that they want to hold his career and earning capacity back by keeping him anyway.
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They've basically wrote the script for his agent. It'll be hard to deny him a release clause because of the above and it'll be hard to deny him equivalent wages to their top earners if not more. Watching throughout the season i didn't think he was that good, at all. Its primarily the level of regard from everton and others that made me think theres more to him than what we've seen to date.
They're basically stuck in a position where they have to put their money where their mouth is and gamble on him justifying breaking their wage structure and hoping 70m+ offers arrive. Or hold onto him for 2 / 3 years, finishing his development and him leaving just as he starts hitting his peak.
There were much, much better ways of playing this.
 
caid said:
They've basically wrote the script for his agent. It'll be hard to deny him a release clause because of the above and it'll be hard to deny him equivalent wages to their top earners if not more. Watching throughout the season i didn't think he was that good, at all. Its primarily the level of regard from everton and others that made me think theres more to him than what we've seen to date.
They're basically stuck in a position where they have to put their money where their mouth is and gamble on him justifying breaking their wage structure and hoping 70m+ offers arrive. Or hold onto him for 2 / 3 years, finishing his development and him leaving just as he starts hitting his peak.
There were much, much better ways of playing this.
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How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
 
Erics_Collar said:
How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
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He hasn't shown much though.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Yes. By who? Right now, for instance, we are talking about this because of a report from Daily Mail who thinks he already earns 70k. That is of course bullshit.

Look at what other United players earn. It would be more than Shaw, more than Martinez. More than Eriksen who joined on a free. He would be the best paid defender minus Maguire, and earn way more than the other players United have signed this window. Garnacho is probably going to get his second contract extension already, as a reward for being the only shining light in attack and being one of the most sought after talents in his age group, and he's not going to get 160k.
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It was reported as an exclusive by Ziegler and Joyce. I believe it to be reliable.

I imagine that £160k per week would be the absolute maximum he would earn including bonuses. His base fee would likely be more in the region of £120k.
 
Well we unsettled the player like we were clearly trying to do. I do have mixed feelings about making enemies out of Everton, we've always historically got on.
 
Erics_Collar said:
How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
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If he had 3/4 years left on his deal, they could have been in a health position but next summer he has 1 year left, so the fee they want now, will dwindle down next summer in line to what we bid.

This summer they're well within their right to ask for £70m. Next summer will be a different matter as there's variables involved.
 
Erics_Collar said:
How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
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I would have said he's not for sale, seeing as that seems to be their actual position. Thats it, no more. That would be the one and only statement floating about.
If I was hoping to actually cash in, then i'd say he's not for sale unless someone offers a really crazy fee.
The main statement i see getting recycled by them over and over again is that he's worth 70m or more and they consider him an equivalent talent to Gvardiol, Fofana and Maguire. Not even that he's worth 70m to them because he was so important just that he's worth 70m full stop.
It was too specific, its too easy to see the equivalent wage of players like that. They should have been terrified of that comparison, not actively making it. They seem to have let us talk to him and his agent and make a contract offer without agreeing a fee which was extremely dumb too. His agent can speculate how much we would offer otherwise but it would be open to debate.

I'm not annoyed by them personally just find the whole thing bemusing
 
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Erics_Collar said:
How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
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Yeah it's very weird
 
I’d rather De Ligt anyway. A lot more experience at the top teams. Also we’ve already signed the best young CB in Europe.
 
pascell said:
If he had 3/4 years left on his deal, they could have been in a health position but next summer he has 1 year left, so the fee they want now, will dwindle down next summer in line to what we bid.

This summer they're well within their right to ask for £70m. Next summer will be a different matter as there's variables involved.
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He has two years left next summer.
 
DJ_21 said:
I’d rather De Ligt anyway. A lot more experience at the top teams. Also we’ve already signed the best young CB in Europe.
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Branthwaite for me by some distance. United’s greatest teams have always included an excellent English core and we are losing that.

United’s new regime seem to believe Branthwaite is going to be world class and seems to be the one they would get if funds were no issue. Hope they get him

Watched De Ligt a few times in recent years and he’s been pants on every single occasion
 
it’ll be easier to buy him in a couple of months during everton’s closing down sale.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Branthwaite for me by some distance. United’s greatest teams have always included an excellent English core and we are losing that.

United’s new regime seem to believe Branthwaite is going to be world class and seems to be the one they would get if funds were no issue. Hope they get him

Watched De Ligt a few times in recent years and he’s been pants on every single occasion
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Branthwaite for me as well. But mostly because he and Yoro are perfectly suited to playing a high line, which we need to do if we want to be a top team. De Ligt is not slow but less suited to an aggressive high line defence
 
For their part, Manchester United have stepped back from transfer talks for now after sporting director Dan Ashworth's last conversation with his Everton counterpart Kevin Thelwell.
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It finally feels like we have competent professionals running the show. The ball is firmly in their court now.

They have a few options: they can risk keeping an unhappy player, try to pay a hefty contract they might not afford, or accept our bid. However, we now hold the upper hand in negotiations.
 
Erics_Collar said:
How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
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And they're discovering now that that wasn't the best way to play it because the leadership changed.

There's no right / wrong way. If the objective was get as much money as possible for the player this window then they could've at least come to the negotiating table after all the posturing.

If they think he's vital to the relegation fight so won't be sold unless a monstrous offer arrives, the fine but accept the risk of an unhappy player.

You can't have it both ways.

Anyway I don't get the entitlement from the fans or the dislike for Everton here. Branthwaite has a contract with them and is their player. Play the game but don't hate the player.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Branthwaite for me by some distance. United’s greatest teams have always included an excellent English core and we are losing that.

United’s new regime seem to believe Branthwaite is going to be world class and seems to be the one they would get if funds were no issue. Hope they get him

Watched De Ligt a few times in recent years and he’s been pants on every single occasion
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No one knows if he’s gonna be world class though. He’s showed nothing yet where as De Ligt as shown he can be a leader at a bigger team. When I’ve seen Branthwaite he’s been bullied. Phil Jones was meant to be the next big English CB back then. I’d give him another year at Everton and let him prove that he can be a consistently good CB.
 
I'd go with De Ligt over Branthwaite as well but not by a long distance. The former has proven world class form whereas the latter has the potential to get there.
 
Erics_Collar said:
How would you have handled it if you were Everton?

Genuinely curious because I don't get the furore United fans have with them.

If I was Everton and United came knocking at my door less than 2 years removed from paying €95m for Antony and €75m for Hojlund - two players who had in around the same experience and achievements as Branthwaite at the time of their transfers without the bonus of being a home-grown player who has already shown his quality in the Premier League - I would be damn sure looking for the same transfer figure as Everton have.
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Because basing your asking price on obvious overpayment (drastically so in Antony's case) is a really smart strategy.
 
Alex99 said:
Because basing your asking price on obvious overpayment (drastically so in Antony's case) is a really smart strategy.
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But that's exactly what they want.....an overpayment.

They don't want to sell him for a fair market value, because they don't want to sell him.

So they'll ask for more than that. They'll claim it's what they think his fair value is, but who wouldn't? No one goes into a negotiation with "we want X even though he's not worth it".

I don't understand how people disagree with this?
 
Erics_Collar said:
But that's exactly what they want.....an overpayment.

They don't want to sell him for a fair market value, because they don't want to sell him.

So they'll ask for more than that. They'll claim it's what they think his fair value is, but who wouldn't? No one goes into a negotiation with "we want X even though he's not worth it".

I don't understand how people disagree with this?
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Do people disagree?

The main point of discussion seems to be Everton valuing him north of £70 million while thinking £35K a week is standard for players of that value.
 
Said it before, it makes no sense for him to sign a new contract unless it’s generational talent wages, which is Everton’s current asking price for him.

They couldn’t have played this any worse really. They had a good offer on the table, should have took it instead of getting greedy. He’s done nothing to suggest he’s a £70m+ player. Guarantee they were already spending that money in their mind when they pitched it to United.

Ah well, relegation and losing a ‘generational talent’ all in the same season will be really tough to take.
 
lex talionis said:
I'd go with De Ligt over Branthwaite as well but not by a long distance. The former has proven world class form whereas the latter has the potential to get there.
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Maybe but how often does a player get sold for not reaching the heights only to then go on and be the player everyone seen years previously….usually that career momentum once gone is gone.
 
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