Jarrad Branthwaite

I kind of want him more now

Yoro and Branthwaite could sort out any desperate and urgent need for more CB's for a number of summers. And I like when we upset everyone through persuit of a player. It'll be nice to rub more salt in Everton's wounds.

I still think £60m plus add ons gets Branthwwaite done. But would be later in the Summer and if Maguire leaves.
 
Everton were desperate for us to enter a bidding war for him against... ourselves. They know no-one else is in for him/willing to go near what we've already offered and are seething.
 
Solius said:
I think we probably came to the same conclusion as you did. Yoro a tier above Branthwaite, and a high fee was needed to put pressure on Lille and him to make a decision and see we were putting effort into chasing him. If we rate Yoro higher than JB then the overall fee we've paid is still less than we'd have had to pay to Everton.
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Yep, I pretty much see it that way too.
 
SilentWitness said:
I think that it makes sense to be concerned with other CB deals when your club has a CB that United is targeting, as you reflect that onto your own player and seek to understand if that's the end of the saga and you can move on, or if you still need to worry about your player possibly being sold.

If you wish to read my posts like you are then that's on you. I can't change that. I don't feel sad or gutted that we haven't sold Branthwaite and I'm not trying to jibe at your club or Yoro. I'm just offering an opinion of why some fans may seem to think that, as many on here and on twitter claimed that United were changing their transfer strategy and would walk away from deals when it got to a steep price, but in regards to Yoro, that doesn't seem to be reflected by some because you've paid a steep fee for a player who is 18 and has one year left on their deal. If you've done that because you think he's worth it and don't believe Branthwaite is, that's fine. We are fine with that. We want to keep Branthwaite and until you pay the price that we can't afford to refuse, I feel confident we will keep him, whether that is the right decision in the long term or not.
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I didn't think that until your defence of (directly quoted) forum posts and articles that quite clearly displayed a confused anger over the deal. There's literally been another Everton fan in this thread acting incredibly bizarrely about the whole thing.

Time will tell if we've paid over the odds for Yoro or not, but the reality of the situation is that we clearly had him a bracket of players (that included Branthwaite and De Ligt) for which we were willing to pay around £50 million for. This is a far cry from previous windows, when we'd have targeted one player, had no alternative options, spent the entire summer pissing about making zero progress while apparently negotiating the fee, before getting the deal over the line some time in mid-late August for the original fee we initially tried to reject as being too expensive. In this instance, that would have been Branthwaite for £75 million three games into the season.

It's so obviously not the same transfer strategy as previous windows that it can only be explained as willful ignorance and/or bitterness to see it that way.
 
cpleigh said:
I have. He's 24 soon. I wouldn't class him as young. He was on trial at Everton. He's an average striker that you've over paid for.
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Didier Drogba was 23 when he first played in Ligue 1 and only managed 15 league goals in his first 75 games including in the second tier.

There is no science behind the trajectory a player is on. Just because he was on trial at Everton and it didn’t work out doesn’t mean he can’t make it elsewhere and develop into a good player.

I’d trust the opinions of Thiago Motta over some WUM Everton fan, that’s for sure.
 
cpleigh said:
I have. He's 24 soon. I wouldn't class him as young. He was on trial at Everton. He's an average striker that you've over paid for.
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This feels like that time Leicester fans turned into salty weirdos on here when we bid for Maguire. Much like Maguire, I hope you's keep Branthwaite.
 
I still don't mind Everton and will certainly still root for them against Liverpool but this reaction is totally odd and way ott.
 
Solius said:
@cpleigh your boys took a hell of a beating. Maybe you should Makepeace with how shite your lads were.

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:lol:
 
I love when fans of other clubs get salty when we sign a player they think should be beyond us because we’ve been poorly managed on and off the field for a decade.

It hurts their heads to process that we’re still massive without being good. Let’s see the likes of City, PSG or even Madrid be absolute dogshit for ten years and still maintain the pull of United.

The best supported club in the world will always attract great players. We’ve had a decade long blip, and all those fans who had their childhoods ruined by Fergie have absolutely adored every second of it - it’s been wholesome to be honest, watching their confidence grow and the bit of chippiness creep in.

But now they can see the signs of us starting to get our house back in order and they’re lashing out. The old fears are creeping back in and they don’t like it one bit. It’s absolutely delicious.
 
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I think a bit of context is needed here.

Yoro is a very different player to Jarrad. Yoro is a right sided center back. He's still 18 and therefore several aspects of his game needs to improve. From what I've seen 1v1 is one of the weaker aspects of the game. However he's considered a generational talent, whose got the potential of becoming the best ball playing CB of his generation.

Jarrad is left sided center back (though he can play on the right which is a plus). He's more of an EPL type of CB ie he's very dominant in air and he's physically strong. He's also blessed with great pace as well which is a rare thing for a CB of his size. His passing is a bit on the weak side but that can improve considering that he's still 21.

Both players complement one another and needless to say that while Jarrad can easily slot in as regular first teamer something Yoro probably cannot.

Yoro initial fee of 50m euros is a bit on the high side but we're talking of a generational talent here who can reach the heights of a Van Dijk or a Varane. Jarrad's 70m estimate is ridiculous though as we'll be expected to pay the price of an established WC CB something Jarrad is not (yet).

Quite frankly I'd rather see United go on Tah. He's cheaper (though older) to Jarrad and he provides everything we hope a more mature Jarrad would bring (ie great physicality, good passing ability, being great in air, good movement etc). By the time Tah leaves United, Yoro would be in his prime and Jarrad would be heading towards the end of his contract.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Didier Drogba was 23 when he first played in Ligue 1 and only managed 15 league goals in his first 75 games including in the second tier.

There is no science behind the trajectory a player is on. Just because he was on trial at Everton and it didn’t work out doesn’t mean he can’t make it elsewhere and develop into a good player.

I’d trust the opinions of Thiago Motta over some WUM Everton fan, that’s for sure.
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Worth noting that he was on trial at Everton when he was 16 and, so far as I understand it, decided not to sign for them (not the other way around). He then went on to sign for Bayern Munich.
 
Doracle said:
Worth noting that he was on trial at Everton when he was 16 and, so far as I understand it, decided not to sign for them (not the other way around). He then went on to sign for Bayern Munich.
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Yep, we offered him a contract but he waited for Bayern to offer him a deal. They did and he signed for them instead.
 
Wouldn't put much faith in this Harry Kane guy fellas. He was on trial at Norwich and didn't even score a goal. Average.
 
cpleigh said:
I have. He's 24 soon. I wouldn't class him as young. He was on trial at Everton. He's an average striker that you've over paid for.
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So you judge him on a trial 7 years ago, right, when he was a kid? Or did you watch him regularly during his Anderlecht time where he had 16 goals and 9 assists at 20 years old in 1 season? At Bologna, 11 goals and 4 assists in a season, for still a young player?

So salty. Hope Everton gets relegated, just because of / for you :lol:
 
You just need to look at their forum (what was it, great old something) and it'll all be clear, bitterness and bile beyond belief. And for some reason they really hate United. The enemy of my enemy is my worst enemy, weird folk. This Branthwaite thing really did a number on them for some reason.
 
You'd think Everton and Utd fans would be united by their hatred of Liverpool.
 
Think the old newbie system was better. Otherwise this is quality of content you see from rattled salty oppo posters.
 
cpleigh said:
I have. He's 24 soon. I wouldn't class him as young. He was on trial at Everton. He's an average striker that you've over paid for.
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Overpaid? we spent 33m pounds on him. You just sold a mediocre midfielder to Aston Villa for almost dubble that.
 
Instead of being happy they might keep Bradtwat for another year, Everton fans upset. There really isn’t a rational or emotional reason why they should be. I’m enjoying it while it lasts.

We won’t be back in for Breathbad, De Ligt is better and cheaper.
 
Giggsyking said:
Overpaid? we spent 33m pounds on him. You just sold a mediocre midfielder to Aston Villa for almost dubble that.
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The guy calls us out for spending more than the release clause without having a single clue of why that was done :lol:
 
Of course he is going to show discontent in an interview conducted by the club he is contracted with
 
The smart play by his agent would be to ask for c. £125k wages, putting him on parity with Everton’s top earners, but still less than he would have got if he moved. Combine that with a sensible release clause (say £50m) kicking in summer 2026 and extend until 2028.

He then gets paid more, Everton know that he will knuckle down for them for another 2 seasons, unless someone does decide to overpay for him, and that they then can still get a decent fee in 2026.
 
cpleigh said:
I have. He's 24 soon. I wouldn't class him as young. He was on trial at Everton. He's an average striker that you've over paid for.
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He turned 23 in May. By the time he’s 24, Everton will be in the Championship.
 
FreakyJim said:
You just need to look at their forum (what was it, great old something) and it'll all be clear, bitterness and bile beyond belief. And for some reason they really hate United. The enemy of my enemy is my worst enemy, weird folk. This Branthwaite thing really did a number on them for some reason.
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They are in a rough position. So basically any attempt to nick anything good out of their club is making them mad. Very little positives for them to look forward to.
 
cpleigh said:
No evertonian is angry or unhinged at it. We simply don't care.

We are delighted it looks like you've moved on. We didn't and don't want to sell branthwaite.

We've reacted to utd fans all over Twitter acting like utd have got some kind of win over Everton. I've seen things like 'Everton fans bitter cos Ineos won't play 3D chess with Everton'

Like.... What? We didn't even want to talk to you about branthwaite
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You know 3D chess is just called chess, right?
 
“We don’t care” is usually mentioned by people who care way too much.
 
Pickle85 said:
The hysteria in that article is hilarious. Branthwaite has 'set the premier league on fire' has he?! Even for an opinion piece that's ludicrously one eyed and emotional
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Yeah that's a bit of an exaggeration and this is coming from someone who rates Branthwaite.

I don't know why Everton fans are getting so worked up over this. We've made two respectable bids for him that obviously don't match Everton's valuation and that's fine. They've managed to sell Onana for a decent fee so they're not under as much pressure to sell now. Good for them. They are banking on Branthwaite having another great season and as I've said I won't be surprised if he does and his valuation even goes up next summer with more clubs interested in him.
 
There's a reason why no top team is interested, he's been priced out.

Don't get me wrong he's a good and promising defender but 70M is a ridiculous fee. I don't blame Everton though, he's their new jewel so why would they give him for cheap? They're not trying to get rid of him, if you want him then overpay otherwise they're fine keeping him.

I think we should move away from English targets, there's way too much money on the premier league so teams demand premier fees for their players it's only natural.

Look how Madrid operates, I known it's been talked but I think their model is great and we should look to replicate it. When was the last time they got someone from the premier league? Rudiger on a free and before Courtouis on 2018/19 but he was on the last year so it was a fee of around 35M if im not mistaken.

They get players from all the other top leagues where prices are reasonable, I don't think the quality and the price demanded for premier league players is aligned, I don't know if it's for marketing purposes or something but I think we should target other league players.
 
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