Januzaj | Confirmed: On Loan at Dortmund

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Sphaero said:
I did... in his personal perfomance thread. Thats now the second time someone asked about that in different threads :lol:

Does no one use these threads?
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I keep forgetting that the performance forum exists. Not a great idea to segregate it from everything else, I thought.
 
played the (pseudo-)striker role in his 30min on the pitch against leverkusen today :wenger:
 
So who still thinks he'll come back at the end of this loan spell? And be ready to push on in to the starting line up?

Personally I don't see it. I don't think he'll be coming back to united but I hope I'm wrong.

If he can get himself back on track and back to the player he showed promise of becoming then a front line with Martial, Memphis and Januzaj would be pretty intimidating!
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
So who still thinks he'll come back at the end of this loan spell? And be ready to push on in to the starting line up?

Personally I don't see it. I don't think he'll be coming back to united but I hope I'm wrong.
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I have that feeling as well, could just be general pessimism though.
 
Some of you guys are acting like we have never sent a player on loan before.
 
Browniee said:
I think he's done under LVG.
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Out of curiosity, why do you think so? If Januzaj produces a good output on his loan I see us bringing him back into the squad next season. He is very young after all. Maybe you don't think Januzaj is upto it?
 
On three separate occasions, LVG has been at pains to stress that he rates him and his future is still at a united. But going on with the doom and gloom theme around this place, people will choose to ignore that.
 
This loan makes so much sense, he wouldn´t be getting much game time at United this season and he needs game time..
Perreira will get the game time here at United so it´s a win win.. If he does well he will get another shot here at United..
 
Adisa said:
On three separate occasions, LVG has been at pains to stress that he rates him and his future is still at a united. But going on with the doom and gloom theme around this place, people will choose to ignore that.
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Yep, it's crazy on here lately.

I can see why journalism is the way it is lately, you can write any story and base it on negative emotion and people will take it and run with it much more than positive news.
 
CG1010 said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think so? If Januzaj produces a good output on his loan I see us bringing him back into the squad next season. He is very young after all. Maybe you don't think Januzaj is upto it?
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Bit of both I suppose
 
I don't see what the problem is really - if he goes out on loan and does well I'm sure we will keep him on. If he doesn't do all that well, there comes a point when you have to say maybe he isn't as good as we all hoped.

In my opinion, if you are going to be a world class forward/attacking midfielder/winger, you need to be showing significant potential in a top league, on a regular basis, from about 18/19 onwards. Based on that theory, this is a big year for him and he needs game time
 
Lentwood said:
I don't see what the problem is really - if he goes out on loan and does well I'm sure we will keep him on. If he doesn't do all that well, there comes a point when you have to say maybe he isn't as good as we all hoped.

In my opinion, if you are going to be a world class forward/attacking midfielder/winger, you need to be showing significant potential in a top league, on a regular basis, from about 18/19 onwards. Based on that theory, this is a big year for him and he needs game time
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Not much hope for the class of '92 then.
 
Lentwood said:
In my opinion, if you are going to be a world class forward/attacking midfielder/winger, you need to be showing significant potential in a top league, on a regular basis, from about 18/19 onwards. Based on that theory, this is a big year for him and he needs game time
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Based on that theory Thomas Muller must be rubbish
Players develop differently and they get different opportunities based on circumstances.
 
Are we still talking about him 'going out on loan' he's already out on flipping loan.. Question is how was he in the last game?

I've seen highlights of him against Leverkusen.. His balance is unreal.. Still very timid though. For the type of player he is.. He should really be focused on emulating Ronaldo and Bale's style.
 
Mainoldo said:
Are we still talking about him 'going out on loan' he's already out on flipping loan.. Question is how was he in the last game?

I've seen highlights of him against Leverkusen.. His balance is unreal.. Still very timid though. For the type of player he is.. He should really be focused on emulating Ronaldo and Bale's style.
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He doesn't have anywhere like the pace those guys have. If he improves is final ball, he can be similar to De Bruyne.
 
Lentwood said:
In my opinion, if you are going to be a world class forward/attacking midfielder/winger, you need to be showing significant potential in a top league, on a regular basis, from about 18/19 onwards. Based on that theory, this is a big year for him and he needs game time
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That's nonsense though. You could easily name ten current world class attacking players of whom that isn't true.
 
sun_tzu said:
Based on that theory Thomas Muller must be rubbish
Players develop differently and they get different opportunities based on circumstances.
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Muller was brilliant when he was 19 years old.

But, I agree that the theory is rubbish. There are countless footballers who weren't that great when they were 18-19, but became top footballers. At the top of my mind: Iniesta, Reus, Bale, Griezmann, Suarez, Falcao, D.Costa, Lewa etc. If it is to shown potential (not neccesarily be great at that age), Januzaj has already shown more potential than many players which later became world class.
 
Revan said:
Muller was brilliant when he was 19 years old.

But, I agree that the theory is rubbish. There are countless footballers who weren't that great when they were 18-19, but became top footballers. At the top of my mind: Iniesta, Reus, Bale, Griezmann, Suarez, Falcao, D.Costa, Lewa etc. If it is to shown potential (not neccesarily be great at that age), Januzaj has already shown more potential than many players which later became world class.
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Yep, exactly this. And just to pile on, David Villa and Didier Drogba were playing in the Segunda and Ligue 2 at the age; Samuel Eto'o was being jerked around on loans by Madrid; and our friend Ruud Van Nistelrooy was being converted from central midfield to attack for Den Bosch.
 
Adnan needs to prove he can score goals and make assists week in week out. I know he scored against Villa but the balance of the team hasn't been right until Martial came into the team. I think he will come back and feature in pre season but he has to show he can make a difference in games. He has to win the trust of the manager else he might just not be ready physically. I would like to see him in a more central position as I think he could be a really good creative midfielder. I think Depay and now Martial (with Wilson in the shadows), offer better thrust.

I don't think he's ready for the wing or number 10. Let's see over time, if he can do it for Dortmund.
 
Lets be honest he needs to be productive, its too much to expect a De Bruyne type player already but I like some on here have high hopes for him. And therefore would like to see him chip in with 10+ goals for Dortmund in the German league this wouldnt be unreasonable and I think would see him go some way to proving he is utd quality.

Think the loan was a decent move, especially if he can be called back if required.
 
Revan said:
Muller was brilliant when he was 19 years old.
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Muller was Born September 13th 1989
so unless my maths is wrong he would have been 20 on 13th September 2009

Prior to that he had played the following

2008/2009 season

1 cl game as a sub (18 mins)
4 BL subs appearances (29 mins in total)

at the start of the 2009 season (before he turned 20)he played the following

1 full game (90 mins)
4 subs appearences (114 mins)

so @Lentwood theory of needing to be a regular by 18/19 in a top league would discount Muller unless 1 start plus 8 subs appearances in the leauge qualifies him as a regular(about 250 mins first team football)?

As you say Lentwoods theory is clearly disprove by many players - but it would be hard to call Muller brilliant with only around 250 mins of first team football under his belt by that point.

Forgive the german spellings but this is the games he played for Bayern prior to turning 20
08/09
Hamburg (11 Mins)
Arm Bielefield (1 Min)
Borussia Monchengladbach (12 mins)
Energie Cottbus (5 mins)
Sporting Lisbon (18 mins)
09/10
Hoffenheim (17 mins)
Werder Bremen (12 mins)
Mainz (57 mins)
Wolfsberg (90 mins)
Dortmund (45 mins)
All stats from Transfer Markt
 
sun_tzu said:
Muller was Born September 13th 1989
so unless my maths is wrong he would have been 20 on 13th September 2009

Prior to that he had played the following

2008/2009 season

1 cl game as a sub (18 mins)
4 BL subs appearances (29 mins in total)

at the start of the 2009 season (before he turned 20)he played the following

1 full game (90 mins)
4 subs appearences (114 mins)

so @Lentwood theory of needing to be a regular by 18/19 in a top league would discount Muller unless 1 start plus 8 subs appearances in the leauge qualifies him as a regular(about 250 mins first team football)?

As you say Lentwoods theory is clearly disprove by many players - but it would be hard to call Muller brilliant with only around 250 mins of first team football under his belt by that point.

Forgive the german spellings but this is the games he played for Bayern prior to turning 20
08/09
Hamburg (11 Mins)
Arm Bielefield (1 Min)
Borussia Monchengladbach (12 mins)
Energie Cottbus (5 mins)
Sporting Lisbon (18 mins)
09/10
Hoffenheim (17 mins)
Werder Bremen (12 mins)
Mainz (57 mins)
Wolfsberg (90 mins)
Dortmund (45 mins)
All stats from Transfer Markt
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And a year later he was Germany's best player at the World Cup.
 
sun_tzu said:
Muller was Born September 13th 1989
so unless my maths is wrong he would have been 20 on 13th September 2009

Prior to that he had played the following

2008/2009 season

1 cl game as a sub (18 mins)
4 BL subs appearances (29 mins in total)

at the start of the 2009 season (before he turned 20)he played the following

1 full game (90 mins)
4 subs appearences (114 mins)

so @Lentwood theory of needing to be a regular by 18/19 in a top league would discount Muller unless 1 start plus 8 subs appearances in the leauge qualifies him as a regular(about 250 mins first team football)?

As you say Lentwoods theory is clearly disprove by many players - but it would be hard to call Muller brilliant with only around 250 mins of first team football under his belt by that point.

Forgive the german spellings but this is the games he played for Bayern prior to turning 20
08/09
Hamburg (11 Mins)
Arm Bielefield (1 Min)
Borussia Monchengladbach (12 mins)
Energie Cottbus (5 mins)
Sporting Lisbon (18 mins)
09/10
Hoffenheim (17 mins)
Werder Bremen (12 mins)
Mainz (57 mins)
Wolfsberg (90 mins)
Dortmund (45 mins)
All stats from Transfer Markt
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Well, my mistake. For some reasons thought that he was 19 in 2009-2010 season when he was brilliant and then had a stellar World Cup.
 
Browniee said:
I think he's done under LVG.
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LvG's comments on his loan are very, very strange then.

edit: not necessarily quotes on the loan itself, but...
If you look at my career you can see I have brought a lot of young players through, not only that but major players who went on to be important at their clubs. At Barcelona, Xavi, captain. Iniesta, captain. The backbone of the club and the culture. At Bayern Munich there is Thomas Müller, David Alaba and Holger Badstuber. Bastian Schweinsteiger is now out, but the other three are still the guardians of the culture of Bayern Munich. Maybe when I am gone, Shaw or Adnan Januzaj will be the guardians of the culture here at Manchester United.
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We keep track of all the players we have out on loan, and we want to see them playing rather than sitting on the bench. That is the whole point of the system. Just because Januzaj is out on loan does not mean he is not part of the future at Manchester United.
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Full article: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/19/louis-van-gaal-youth-system-manchester-united
 
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Adisa said:
He doesn't have anywhere like the pace those guys have. If he improves is final ball, he can be similar to De Bruyne.
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That's true but if he could add the power to his game he would be a hard player to stop. So yes abit like De Bruyne.
 
This seems to define him as a player with great technical skills but without the pace and power to apply those skills at the highest level. I tend to agree. Hope he's hitting the weight room while he's away.
 
Revan said:
Well, my mistake. For some reasons thought that he was 19 in 2009-2010 season when he was brilliant and then had a stellar World Cup.
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In fairness when you said it I had to double check after you said it... but it does just go to show that exceptional young players (especially) at a big club may not necessarily get their opportunities at 18/19
 
Tbf I left the definition fairly open i.e. "shown significant potential in a top league" doesn't mean they have to have won anything or even played hundreds of games but my point is more that if you are 20, 21, 22 and still being talked about as "having potential" more often than not it signifies that the player isn't quite going to reach the very top.

And of course it isn't going to be true for every player and there will be lots of examples people come up with saying "oh what about this player or that player" but in Adnan's case I want to see him start stringing together good performances on a more regular basis rather than looking decent for 30mins and then disappearing for a month
 
Adisa said:
On three separate occasions, LVG has been at pains to stress that he rates him and his future is still at a united. But going on with the doom and gloom theme around this place, people will choose to ignore that.
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I don't think it has anything to do with the doom and gloom on here. Just because LVG says he rates him doesn't mean he will stay or fits in to his plans. Plenty of managers before have said they rate a player before moving them on. I just find it hard to believe that in a squad that lacks a real number 10 or even someone to effectively play on the right he let go of januzaj to gain experience? With the form of Rooney, the need for quality in attack and letting Hernandez go surely if he rated Januzaj he'd have kept him?

To be fair I'm pretty sure before he went on loan that LVG had said he was going to play an important role this season?
 
sun_tzu said:
but did he say who for...

(in fairness I think he will struggle to get many games at Dortmund as they have quite a few decent attacking options already)
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Well yeah I thought going to Dortmund seemed a little bit odd... I thought that at the time given the attacking players they have. Maybe they wanted him as a striker? Or at least as a back up striker.
 
Did he play tonight against Hoffenheim?
 


Work your magic Agent Adnan!

Look at Reus' twitter tag btw. Woodyinho. It's so on. :drool:
 
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