Januzaj | Confirmed: On Loan at Dortmund

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]@Blackwidow [/B]thanks for the info on what the Dortmund fans think of Adnan. I have to say I'm not too sure about him. Yes he did explode on the scene during Moyes' season, but he wasn't good all the way throughout that season - in fact his performances started tailing off during the second half of that season..
My biggest problem with him is his bad decision making and lack of consistency. Also needs to toughen up mentally. I'm not quite sure whether he has the tools to achieve this. If as has been said, his attitude in training stinks - then I honestly don't know if he's gonna make it.


Here's hoping he comes back with a different, better mindset....

Why are people taking her of all posts as representation of what the Dortmund support thinks?

Januzaj certainly had short comings with us, most of them were of tactical nature. This did not surprise most people, though. By the time he joined us the season was already running. We played a total of 30 games in the first season half, meaning a lot of English weeks and little time for actual training. It is always a challenge coming into a team under these circumstances. For a 20 year old loan player? Even harder.

His sub appearances were for the most part decent, he brought in impulses and tried to create space for the other players. His starts were less impressive but here it should be noted that his starts were usually in formations which were pretty far away from our strongest XI, it were the games where we rested several key players.

Januzaj faced two (fairly predictable) big problems:

1. competition: Given his tactical short comings he was not an option for the central positions as misunderstandings and mistakes would have been far too costly in our system so that left the two wing positions. On one side played our best performer of this season and one of the league´s best players Mkhitaryan, No other player had as much as impact on our play than him. Outside a few games he was rested, he was essential for us and always played. The other one is the team´s star player Marco Reus who even without top form and troubled with minor injuries still is a very productive player, being the teams second best goal scorer. The first back up option became Gonzalo Castro. Now people can argue that Januzaj should have been able to get above him in the ranking, but not only had the former the full pre season with the team, is a seasoned Bundesliga professional, was Leverkusens most consistent midfielder in the last two seasons and our biggest signing in the Summer. His integration was always more important than Januzaj´s, which leads to the second problem.

2. status as loan player: We did not treat him like a talent at Dortmund, because we never viewed his development as very important. He was a transfer for squad depth, a fringe player for situations where we would needed his services. Unfortunately for him, this was very rarely the case. At no point in the season we had more than one offensive player out with an injury, which meant outside the games where the starters were rested in general Januzaj never had the realistic chance to start.

There is one thing I want to say with all clarity. If Januzaj would have been a "real" Dortmund player, we would have never let him go after half a season without a single proper training camp. This is not as simple as not being good enough for us, this decision is way more about giving two of our own extremely promising academy players the game time Januzaj would have gotten in the rest of the season to develop them, because we have actually reason to do so as they are the potential future of the club. This is right now a risky choice as they are completely unproven on senior level in contrast to Januzaj, Given the amount of money we invested into our youth development in the last years and the promise both of these boys show, giving them a real perspective is still the right choise in my book and probably also better for Januzaj´s own career.
 
I don't get it. Send him to loan at Dortmund to compete vs Kagawa/Reus/Mkhitaryan/Castro without a pre season. Then recall him as he's just about to get a full winter pre season with the team, which probably would've helped him a lot to integrate - because SURPRISE he wasn't playing that much. If this is true then this loan was pure madness from start to finish.

Also my personal impression of Januzaj's time at Dortmund was that he is a typical raw diamond. Loads of talent, some very nice ideas with the ball, but deficits in some mental aspects such a tactical understand/game reading/decision making. I don't think the general opinion of him in Germany was bad at all (aside from one or two articles which reported that Tuchel was angry with him during training), especially not in Dortmund, because the club has quite the history of buying unfininished players who eventually delivered.
 
Why are people taking her of all posts as representation of what the Dortmund support thinks?

Why - because I explained where I have my views from. Why do some take you serious?

I told that it is not my own opinions but that of fans and BVB forums that watch more closely. I just have seen him during some matches and there he looked poor.

Let everybody get their own view of posters and what they believe. I might be too critical but I just might have higher standards. My thinking about Januzaj is just that it does not help young ones if you give them too many chances - they make a breakthrough and deliver - or they will not really be "top club" quality on the long run. They will not get better alone with training - and experience they do not get on the bench or in U-matches. Training with the professionals might be "helpful" for your career the first months - later they usually are not.

"you think" - but when I read e.g. in the BVB transfermarkt forum or in some other BVB-forums I get a different view of other BVB fans. Or are you "all fans"?

There is masses of talents around - all very skillful. Especially in offensive midfield. Especially in Belgium, France and Germany. I even think that Januzaj even without proper preparation after one year of van Gaal should have been better equiped to Tuchel style than a lot of "old" Dortmund players. I can imagine when some old ones have problems - they have survived a long time in a system that was rather successful and might be reluctant to new systems. The young ones are the ones that should adapt easily.
 
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Januzaj was only really poor in his last match. He was decent, it's just that in order to play over the other players he had to be more than decent. I wanted him to stay and hopefully improve his decision making (cut down on dribbling), but oh well.
 
Why are people taking her of all posts as representation of what the Dortmund support thinks?

Januzaj certainly had short comings with us, most of them were of tactical nature. This did not surprise most people, though. By the time he joined us the season was already running. We played a total of 30 games in the first season half, meaning a lot of English weeks and little time for actual training. It is always a challenge coming into a team under these circumstances. For a 20 year old loan player? Even harder.

His sub appearances were for the most part decent, he brought in impulses and tried to create space for the other players. His starts were less impressive but here it should be noted that his starts were usually in formations which were pretty far away from our strongest XI, it were the games where we rested several key players.

Januzaj faced two (fairly predictable) big problems:

1. competition: Given his tactical short comings he was not an option for the central positions as misunderstandings and mistakes would have been far too costly in our system so that left the two wing positions. On one side played our best performer of this season and one of the league´s best players Mkhitaryan, No other player had as much as impact on our play than him. Outside a few games he was rested, he was essential for us and always played. The other one is the team´s star player Marco Reus who even without top form and troubled with minor injuries still is a very productive player, being the teams second best goal scorer. The first back up option became Gonzalo Castro. Now people can argue that Januzaj should have been able to get above him in the ranking, but not only had the former the full pre season with the team, is a seasoned Bundesliga professional, was Leverkusens most consistent midfielder in the last two seasons and our biggest signing in the Summer. His integration was always more important than Januzaj´s, which leads to the second problem.

2. status as loan player: We did not treat him like a talent at Dortmund, because we never viewed his development as very important. He was a transfer for squad depth, a fringe player for situations where we would needed his services. Unfortunately for him, this was very rarely the case. At no point in the season we had more than one offensive player out with an injury, which meant outside the games where the starters were rested in general Januzaj never had the realistic chance to start.

There is one thing I want to say with all clarity. If Januzaj would have been a "real" Dortmund player, we would have never let him go after half a season without a single proper training camp. This is not as simple as not being good enough for us, this decision is way more about giving two of our own extremely promising academy players the game time Januzaj would have gotten in the rest of the season to develop them, because we have actually reason to do so as they are the potential future of the club. This is right now a risky choice as they are completely unproven on senior level in contrast to Januzaj, Given the amount of money we invested into our youth development in the last years and the promise both of these boys show, giving them a real perspective is still the right choise in my book and probably also better for Januzaj´s own career.


What did you think of him anyway?
Seriously talented player we'd be crazy to let go of or not much more than decent cover?

Also my personal impression of Januzaj's time at Dortmund was that he is a typical raw diamond. Loads of talent, some very nice ideas with the ball, but deficits in some mental aspects such a tactical understand/game reading/decision making.

Sounds more or less the same as last year for us.
I'm glad hes back anyrate, might have been better letting his loan run its course but we need him far more than you.
Dont think theres much shame in failing to displace one of the most in form front 4 in europe anyway. If one of them got injured for a while or was struggling for form it'd be another story

I'll be worried if he cant get a game over our current lot though
 
@Blackwidow thanks for the info on what the Dortmund fans think of Adnan. I have to say I'm not too sure about him. Yes he did explode on the scene during Moyes' season, but he wasn't good all the way throughout that season - in fact his performances started tailing off during the second half of that season..
My biggest problem with him is his bad decision making and lack of consistency. Also needs to toughen up mentally. I'm not quite sure whether he has the tools to achieve this. If as has been said, his attitude in training stinks - then I honestly don't know if he's gonna make it.


Here's hoping he comes back with a different, better mindset....
Thanks for the info? He's talking a load of shit ffs.
 
With all due respect, their analysis of Januzaj based on his brief time at Dortmund means very little to me. I don't trust Dortmund fans, have you seen some of the reviews that our fans give our players on here?

Januzaj was class in the youth and was very good in his first season with the first team. You don't just turn your back on that. He's still young and with the right coach I think he'll do well here. That coach isn't Van Gaal.
There's certainly no reason to give their take on his ability more weightage than what we've seen ourselves at our own club and for much longer than a short loan spell where he barely played, and what we've seen indicates, to me at least, that Januzaj is clearly a top top talent. His time there may shed some light on his mentality/attitude, or the lack thereof, but in terms of natural ability, he's got it all to become a great player. What we need to do is to help him get there, because we'll have a brilliant footballer, if we can.

I'm delighted to hear that he's coming back because from a technical standpoint we have very few players more gifted than him. So he'll always offer that bit of quality in that respect. I just hope A) he shows good attitude and B) more importantly, LVG gives him the same patience he's afforded the likes of Memphis. I can't expect anyone in the team to be treated the way "King Wayne" is, but Memphis has gotten loads of opportunities this season despite playing, at times, just terribly. Januzaj did pretty decently in the first 4 games and I'd like to see him given the same patience and arm around the shoulder that Memphis gets. I wouldn't be surprised if he does better than Memphis this season if that happens.
 
@Blackwidow thanks for the info on what the Dortmund fans think of Adnan. I have to say I'm not too sure about him. Yes he did explode on the scene during Moyes' season, but he wasn't good all the way throughout that season - in fact his performances started tailing off during the second half of that season..
My biggest problem with him is his bad decision making and lack of consistency. Also needs to toughen up mentally. I'm not quite sure whether he has the tools to achieve this. If as has been said, his attitude in training stinks - then I honestly don't know if he's gonna make it.


Here's hoping he comes back with a different, better mindset....
A teenager wasn't brilliant throughout the season at a top club. That's a surprise.

Some of his football that season was wonderful. One of the best teenagers I've seen at United for sure.

So - why are you scared he gets sold or leaves United? Especially if he does not impress... Because somewhen in the next 20 years he might have a goal or assist or play good when you only give him 1000 chances - but probably only when he is given the perfect conditions concerning position, midfielder, opponent etc.

He is to slow to impress on the wings - not tricky enough - and does not offer enough creativity in the center - that is what the Dortmund fans say. Do you think some of this still changes?
Eh? He's had a very short United career so far. At times he's been exception, other times he's not been terrific but shown moments of obvious and abundant talent, and as it tends to be with young players, there have been spells where nothing is coming off for him.

Persisting with and believing in gifted youngsters is pretty much how you develop young talent into good/great players. Does that not happen in Germany?
 
I am happy he is coming back.

We need options and more attacking threat. But if he is the only addition we are in serious trouble.

we need pace and trickery on the right side. Although I would give Adnam a run on the right if we dont sign anyone because Mata is not good there bar a few games last season.
 
I don't get it. Send him to loan at Dortmund to compete vs Kagawa/Reus/Mkhitaryan/Castro without a pre season. Then recall him as he's just about to get a full winter pre season with the team, which probably would've helped him a lot to integrate - because SURPRISE he wasn't playing that much. If this is true then this loan was pure madness from start to finish.

Also my personal impression of Januzaj's time at Dortmund was that he is a typical raw diamond. Loads of talent, some very nice ideas with the ball, but deficits in some mental aspects such a tactical understand/game reading/decision making. I don't think the general opinion of him in Germany was bad at all (aside from one or two articles which reported that Tuchel was angry with him during training), especially not in Dortmund, because the club has quite the history of buying unfininished players who eventually delivered.
That's probably a fair assessment of him.

And I think the fact that it did all come together for him under Moyes gives me confidence that it will again. He looked like a very complete player at the time, so I don't those deficits are that wide either. But it's some very important fine tuning that has to be worked on, for him to become a top player.

At the same time, LVG won't help. No attacker barring Martial is performing right now for us, so it's hard to see a kid who wants to elevate his game doing so in a team with an attack that is completely broken.
 
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I for one am glad he's coming back from his loan. He's probably a better No 10 than a wide player (Only because his pace is a little limited, but he has a good acceleration on him and has very good close control). His biggest problem is his decision making, but that is bound to only get better with experience (Unless he does a Nani). The talent is there. He may not have world class potential, but can definitely develop into a very good player.
 
Was surprised when I saw this. He will be an upgrade on Memphis at the moment though so that's good.
 
Bit worrying he couldnt get into their side. I'm yet to be convinced by him. Still... he's surely better than Memphis atm.
 
Bit worrying he couldnt get into their side. I'm yet to be convinced by him. Still... he's surely better than Memphis atm.
You seem to haven't watched a lot of Dortmund games then. :D
 
I would honestly rather put him out on loan again to a team such as Norwich or Sunderland etc, have him start lots of games for the remainder of the season than have LvG mismanage him again.
 
Big mistake loaning him to a foreign team when he should have been gaining experience in the Premier league. Not sure what is holding him back, he certainly has the ability. Hopefully he does not turn up to be the next "Macheda"
 
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