If he does well at Dortmund then they supposedly can buy him if they want to and if he doesn't do well then he will probably have an even harder time at United, so I guess it's quite likely that this is the end.
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If he does well at Dortmund then they supposedly can buy him if they want to and if he doesn't do well then he will probably have an even harder time at United, so I guess it's quite likely that this is the end.
Dortmund´s first 11 is better than United´s first 11 at the moment. It´s not even close. Only Shaw, Depay and Darmian would even have a chance to start at Dortmund, and only Darmian would be above 50%.
I don't think these 1 for 1 comparisons are very useful, because the worth of a player has to be judged in the context of the team's style (see Kagawa for example, who couldn't get it going with United's style but was looking really good at his first spell at Dortmund and possibly now again under Tuchel). But I don't see who Depay would be starting for.
Dortmund's midfielders all seem to be in really good shape right now (well compared to his potential Reus probably falls a bit off right now, but he's still Reus) and I don't see him or Januzaj for that matter with a chance of stealing their spot for any other reasons than fitness or injuries - at least at their current performance levels.
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Mind-blowing considering we didn't sign a winger.
DDG definately and Morgan would stand a chance tbh.
If that's the case it's very disappointing for me.
Is never going to be a Ronaldo, but IMO he has Zidane plastered all over him. He will come good, it just depends who for.
The Gundogan explanation seems one of two that I find reasonable. The other being a request from United to keep the option agreement a secret (for the moment) with the fans already on edge.
I was comparing Burki to the other goalies. I had accidentally filed DDG in the trash bin.
-I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Gündogan will be in the last year of his contract again next summer, so most likely Dortmund will want to sell him again. No need to give up a valued youngster to make that option available.
-If there was mutual interest then a del would've happened this summer.
-Gündogan seems to aim higher, for one of the big 3 clubs.
-I find it hard to believe that such a transfer (even if it's only the financial side) would be agreed a year in advance.
Sounds like nothing but self-contradictoryesque speculation. I get the feeling the press haven't a clue what's going on and as such it'll probably be wise to wait for official word from either club. But if there's an option to buy...well, that would be f*cking insane.
Ruhrnachrichten (the paper Dersch is working for) is Dortmund's official media Partner, their press secretary formerly worked for them. It's quite obvious that the club feeds them information, because they are always among the first to report when something happens and and I neither recall them making stuff up about Dortmund nor do I think they would jeopardize their fruitful relationship and reputation for a couple of clicks.
In a way what they report is sort of an official word from Dortmund.
Great move for us and Januzaj.......He was clearly nowhere near good enough for the first team this season but will come back hopefully ready for Man Utd first team in summer 2016
If he's not ready for United's first team, then he isn't ready for Dortmund's/
Strange one. If he was going on loan, I'd have expected him to be going to the likes of Everton or Sunderland to get some regular game time, but surely he'll struggle to play for Dortmund as much as he has for us?
That would imply that Dortmund are better than us when there is nothing over the past twelve months to suggest that.
Unless you believe we would be fighting relegation in the Bundesliga?
Loaning him out really appears like an act of lunacy given we don't look like bringing in another attacker.
Keeping De Gea, fair enough. Replacing Hernandez with Martial, I can see the logic. But here we're just actively seeking to weaken the squad in a position we were already light in numbers.
Keeping De Gea, fair enough. Replacing Hernandez with Martial, I can see the logic. But here we're just actively seeking to weaken the squad in a position we were already light in numbers.
Last season was last season.
They've had a very good start to this season (they're top) and have a good attacking unit (Reus/Kagawa/Mkhitaryan/Aubamayang). He'll do very well to break into that front 4 regularly imo.
Yes, we will most likely want to sell next Summer and if Gündogan continues his form not only will his price skyrocket (especially given the influx of money in EPL) but also the competiton for his signing will become more fierce. This Summer he might have posed a risk because no one knew if he could recapture his form before the back injury but now it looks like he makes giant leaps towards this form.
There was interest by both clubs. I would even go as far as that a fee was at least roughly set (it was highly unusual how hard the "WAZ" clinged to their story of the 30 Mil. € agreement). Röckenhaus confirmed that Gündogan turned down an United offer while the English media reported that Gündogan wanted too much money. I don´t think the deal failed because of Gündogan´s unwillingness to join in principle. It was a money issue and maybe some doubt on United´s side that he might not get back to his best.
This was all early in the transfer window and result of the failed deal was the contract extension of Gündogan and after that and Tuchel making him a key player in his system it was clear he would not be allowed to leave this Summer.
The door at Bayern is closed for now given the Vidal deal and the extension of Thiago. Barcelona is in hot pursuit of Pogba, who will probably be their marquee signing next Summer, and Madrid might not be his prefered option after Sahin´s experiences there (both are quite close) and the way Kroos is currently played there.
Why? Any loan deal with a optional or forced buy clause is a deal in advance. I also don´t see this as set in stone but rather an option for Dortmund and United to make talks next Summer smoother. This agreement is also surely bound to certain conditions like the health and fitness of Gündogan for example.
Dortmund look sensational going forward so far this season, they scored 29 goals in August... The Dortmund fan who made that big post a few pages back said that Januzaj will just be cover for them and I don't see how that can be argued against.
I'm dead serious, show me the opposite. What reason would Dortmund have to provide him with significant minutes if there's no clause to buy him? He's gonna be a security blanket if it's a pure loan, nothing else.
How about Tuchel actually rates him and looks at him as a good option in attack? They sold Kampl and loaned out Blaszczykowski, they are in serious need of attacking options.
So are we ffs
Apparently LVG didn't think he's good enough yet to be a contribution for our first team.
But there were also reports that he turned down a ridiculous offer from PSG and if he was after money surely staying at Dortmund would've been one of the worst options?
Dortmund already signed his replacement in Castro, so I don't think there was a need to rush things.
Maybe that's true, but a lot of things can happen in football.0
A loan deal with a forced option isn't really a loan, it seems more like a fiscal trick to me. And loans with optional buy clauses are usually a way of balancing the risk between seller and buyer, most commonly used for youngsters who have too much potential to give away cheap but haven't shown enough performance for a club to pay a good fee. Or struggling older players who are too expensive for a club similar to their current performances to buy them straight away.
I don't think either applies here. Gündogan especially will probably be keen to keep all the doors open.
I think he has a chance to be Dortmund's first sub, but that's far from certain. Because Castro could also be an option for the #10 or RM position and despite not having a big name or looking flashy Jonas Hofmann has proven to be quite an effective substitute.
Two players Tuchel wanted to get rid of anyways. My question is, even if he rates him, why would he play him ahead of his regulars as long as they're healthy? They still have enough options available to make sure Adnan won't start many games.
How does that change my point?
"His regulars"? It's a new manager, if Adnan shows in training and in his sub-appearances that he can help the team then Tuchel will play him. Who knows how the other options do this season? Who knows which player might get injured?
He's a great talent and I'm certain that he'll show it in a less physical Bundesliga. I'm looking forward to watching him in their team.
This isn't Football Manager, where loans are useless and every player turns out great if you just keep playing him. I think the club look at it as a good option for Adnan to regain his spice, as he wasn't able to do it in his time under Van Gaal so far.
It changes your point because he didn't specifically get rid of them to make room for Januzaj.
Tuchel has already had a preseason and a few competitive games to evaluate his team, so of course he has regulars and if you haven't noticed, Dortmund is currently on a roll. Their team is clicking, players are performing exceptionally well, players that are occupying Adnan's preferred positions. He's not gonna change that for an unproven, albeit talented, youngster he's most likely gonna lose in a year from now.
What? I didn't say that he specifically made room for Januzaj. I said there is room for Januzaj, which is true.
So he's not going to give him a chance because they won their first 3 games? What a logic.
Anyone know if there is or isn't an option to purchase?
Crazy if there is IMO.
Also.. No.11 is freed up.. Giggsy
Crazy if there is IMO.
Also.. No.11 is freed up.. Giggsy
I think he's more suited to the Bundesliga and will do well there.
So it's bye bye Januzaj.
Edit: given that there apparently IS a clause allowing BVB to purchase him at the end of the loan.
So it's bye bye Januzaj.
Edit: given that there apparently IS a clause allowing BVB to purchase him at the end of the loan.
No mention of an option to buy. There has been talk about United paying half of his wages and an agreement that Dortmund are the first to know if LVG decides that he isn't needed anymore come next summer, nothing official though.
He's off. Van gaal doesn't send on loan and then bring the player back to use again
So not only is there no loan fee, we are paying half his wages too? What? Are Woody and LVG mental, all this and we're not getting anyone in to replace him?
Will LVG himself be here next season though ?
I just hope we're including options to recall on these deals.
I don't know.
As I said, nothing official, just some talk from Germany.
Who knows, the window is still open.
As far as I know, if we were to put in such an option the only way to recall him would be in the January transfer window as he's loaned out to Germany, not England. Usually there are no options to recall in international loans.
I'm pretty sure there will be an option to buy in the loan agreement. I don't see why Dortmund would agree to it otherwise.
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