That will be tough but I think he should get sufficient game time. He can never expect to become a starter but having the kind of quality players around him at Dortmund should definitely help. Plus experience in the Europa league will be an added advantage.
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That will be tough but I think he should get sufficient game time. He can never expect to become a starter but having the kind of quality players around him at Dortmund should definitely help. Plus experience in the Europa league will be an added advantage.
Yeah, two games a week for them, I suppose he'll get enough minutes.
Though looking at our squad as it stands, you'd expect he'd get plenty here.
Pretty sad that he is leaving. Think he is good as feck and can get some game time here.
Is this true?
What you say does make sense, but some of the same logic could have been used last year too. Off the top of my head, Januzaj played not more than 15 games last season. He needed games back then too. We're in all 4 competitions this year, at least 50 games. Surely he would have had decent game time. What is the guarantee that he will feature in 20-25 games at Dortmund? He could have easily had that with us.
Unless we want him to experience a different culture of playing the game, keeping in mind his long term interests rather than what we need this season.
Is there an implication that Dortmund might sell Reus tomorrow ?
I don't see why they'd want to tbh.
I think this is positive tbh, will be interesting to see how he does in the Bundesliga.
It's true that he looked a world beater 2 seasons ago, but since then he couldn't live up to his expectations tbf, this is a good chance for him to turn it around.
Obviously there is no option to buy included and the club rate him, they just don't think he can contribute enough to the team right now.
It's true that he looked a world beater 2 seasons ago, but since then he couldn't live up to his expectations tbf, this is a good chance for him to turn it around.
Obviously there is no option to buy included and the club rate him, they just don't think he can contribute enough to the team right now.
This is just another stupid move on the club's part. Two seasons AJ has been dicked about. If his goal against Villa wasn't proof enough of why he should be in the squad, then clearly we've descended into some strange place.
Absolutely he needed games last season, but the truth is he got a lot of chances, especially in the beginning of the season. However, he did not live up to the expectations of being a starter for Manchester United, and a lot of people on here wanted him to go on a loan. I agree there will be a lot more chances for him this year seeing as we are in the Champions League, but the truth is he will not get enough games necessary for him to excel properly. The way I see it is actually that Januzaj is our most prized asset (together with Memphis and now Martial I guess) but he really needs to get regular game time, which we have been saying for years. The only guarantee we have that he will get that in the Bundesliga is the skill he possesses, which I think is absolutely enough to break it into the first XI at Dortmund, because otherwise he is just not capable of making it here at the top level anyway.
Guess you're one of the Rooney fans then, he has been average for a long period, one goal doesnt change that.
Happy he's gone out on loan, apart from his goal he hasn't been great in the minutes he's played.
Playing for Dortmund he'll be in a good squad, playing really good football and under objective scrutiny.
And if he can't cut the mustard there, then maybe we were too steadfast in calling him a world beater.
Playing for Dortmund he'll be in a good squad, playing really good football and under objective scrutiny.
And if he can't cut the mustard there, then maybe we were too steadfast in calling him a world beater.
Well you guessed wrong. If AJ has been average in our three goal season, what does that say about the stunning performances of Depay, Rooney, Young?
Not that obvious according to a "Ruhrnachrichten" (paper, which is the closest to BVB and their press partner) article from today (source in German):
"According to informations of our editorial office the BVB has an option to buy him next Summer, if he performs well until then"
The most curious part is, that the last part was later edited (someone probably got an angry phone call) into "if the Westfalians desire to do so".
So there is some kind of option there probably bound to either his performances or the ones of the club as a whole (e.g. qualifying for the CL). Maybe the buy clause is also so high (by our standarts, obviously not yours) that signing him permanently is only justifiable if he really delivers. Nobody knows and Dortmund clearly does not want anyone to know in detail.
The only thing which is certain, that any clause would clearly increase our motivation to play him and realise his very high potential.
I certainly hope there is no buy option, unless it is absolutely crazy. He is our #11 for gods sake.
Do you think he will make it into the first XI? What is the general consensus among BVB fans regarding this transfer?
The more I think about this loan, the more it pisses me off. What a daft move by the club and the lunatic that is Louis.
Dortmund are on a roll - their midfield especially, barring injuries or fatigue Tuchel has no reason to change things at all right now.
What @Sphaero posted makes sense. My theory is that both clubs want to keep it private, especially United. I think if we sold him or let Dortmund announce that a buyout clause is in it, the meltdown of our fans would be huge. I dont think people could take it, see Welbeck. Therefore we loaned him out, and after the dust settles after the season, the pain wont be as big, especially if we bring in other players and have success. I find it weird that Dortmund just loaned him out, they wouldnt gain much from it, they dont do that normally. And they also said that they announced what they wanted to announce, which i find also weird, letting it all open. Like the BvB poster said, some sort of buyout is surely arranged and i am not happy about it. Thats my theory and feeling i get from this surprising transfer.
I'm not really surprised that you have an option to buy him. But I don't really get why there's no fee for the loan, if that's the case? That's surely a bit odd, right? Why would United give Dortmund Januzaj for free for a full year to find out if he's good enough to buy? That would be so so stupid, but then, that's not really that surprising either, after all United paid Nani's wages last season when he was performing well for Sporting and sold him on the cheap this summer. If it's true that Dortmund has an option to buy and doesn't have to pay any fee for the one year loan, then it seems like van Gaal just wanted him gone and got his wish. Can't really think of another explanation for such a bad deal from United's perspective.
But maybe it's not true after all, we'll probably have to wait a while until we find out.
Think this is a good move for Januzaj and United. Bundesliga is a physical league played at a high pace and if he can get a good run of games we should have a better idea as to whether he's the real deal or not.
Average too?
Well, similar to the reactions on here it mostly depends if a clause exists.
Without a clause the reactions range from "What the hell are our offcials doing, damaging our reputation to develop a player for a bigger club" to "Meh, at least a good squad option for little money" (probably the biggest camp and the one I´m in too).
With a clause the reactions are of course positive. This would be a dream deal for us, not other ways to describe it. We get one of the most exciting talents in Europe who also fits Tuchel´s profile without taking any risks. We can try him out for a season and then determine if he is worth the sum of the buy clause.
His chances on the pitch are also largely dependent on how long he might stay. Without a clause he is mainly a cover and sub option, which would impact his game time negatively. With a clause I expect Tuchel to give him plenty of chances and introduce a higher rotation amongst the front four and given the fact that Tuchel also sees potential in Reus playing upfront, there will be more than enough space to fit Adnan in. He will be in a position to pressure the current starters to keep their level up and if one of them slips up in form (bar maybe Reus because of his importance and impact even without top form) or gets injured he could find himself starting in nearly every game for us. It will also depend a bit on the opposition.
Januzaj is more than a pure talent and potential at this point, still far from being a finished article but at the same he should be able to add something to our game which we don´t have right now to such an extend. He is a left footer, which is something Tuchel clearly wanted and versatile, which is highly rated by the coach. His passing game is clean, his technical skill on the ball very highly advanced which allows him to beat defenders quite frequently. He has probably more of an individualistic approach to the game, which also helps us because the other offensive players bar Aubameyang tend to be more on the more selfless side. I could see him opening a lot of spaces with his runs. He probably lacks the most in terms of goal threat (thus not being a real option as striker in my eyes) and decision making. Regarding this last part he might profit a lot from Tuchel, though, and I could see him make quite a jump in terms of development in this season.
I'm not really surprised that you have an option to buy him. But I don't really get why there's no fee for the loan, if that's the case? That's surely a bit odd, right? Why would United give Dortmund Januzaj for free for a full year to find out if he's good enough to buy? That would be so so stupid, but then, that's not really that surprising either, after all United paid Nani's wages last season when he was performing well for Sporting and sold him on the cheap this summer. If it's true that Dortmund has an option to buy and doesn't have to pay any fee for the one year loan, then it seems like van Gaal just wanted him gone and got his wish. Can't really think of another explanation for such a bad deal from United's perspective.
But maybe it's not true after all, we'll probably have to wait a while until we find out.
Don´t forget for what little money they gave us Kagawa back
. I also see a falling out with van Gaal as the only logical explanantion for this move. With or without clause I really don´t see the reasoning of United behind this deal (or at least of the destination), which is why I deemed it so unlikely just a few days ago.
Time will tell I suppose. I expect a Röckenhaus article regarding this matter soon, which might give some insight in the matter. I also think that the way Adnan will be used by Tuchel will tell us a lot of how long we can expect to stay with us.
I once loaned Januzaj to Dortmund on FM. He came back the following season playing as #10, and scored 29 and assisted another 15.
Are some of you really that delusional to think he's gonna get a good run of games in? Unless one of their starters gets injured or there is an actual buyout clause included, which would be incredibly stupid, there's no reason for Dortmund to risk playing him consistently. If anything, they can't afford to slip up even less so than us because if they wanna challenge for the title, they're gonna have to get past Bayern and we all know Bayern rarely ever slips up in the Bundesliga.
He might get a few Europa League games, but even there it's doubtful, as I'm sure they rightfully see their chance to win it and earn some extra cash.
So, where is he supposed to get all this playing time? In the DFB cup?
He might get a few Europa League games, but even there it's doubtful, as I'm sure they rightfully see their chance to win it and earn some extra cash.
So, where is he supposed to get all this playing time? In the DFB cup?
Surely we wont be loaning Januzaj and sold Chicarito only to sign Martial. We currently have no cover at RW
Well, similar to the reactions on here it mostly depends if a clause exists.
Without a clause the reactions range from "What the hell are our offcials doing, damaging our reputation to develop a player for a bigger club" to "Meh, at least a good squad option for little money" (probably the biggest camp and the one I´m in too).
With a clause the reactions are of course positive. This would be a dream deal for us, not other ways to describe it. We get one of the most exciting talents in Europe who also fits Tuchel´s profile without taking any risks. We can try him out for a season and then determine if he is worth the sum of the buy clause.
His chances on the pitch are also largely dependent on how long he might stay. Without a clause he is mainly a cover and sub option, which would impact his game time negatively. With a clause I expect Tuchel to give him plenty of chances and introduce a higher rotation amongst the front four and given the fact that Tuchel also sees potential in Reus playing upfront, there will be more than enough space to fit Adnan in. He will be in a position to pressure the current starters to keep their level up and if one of them slips up in form (bar maybe Reus because of his importance and impact even without top form) or gets injured he could find himself starting in nearly every game for us. It will also depend a bit on the opposition.
Januzaj is more than a pure talent and potential at this point, still far from being a finished article but at the same he should be able to add something to our game which we don´t have right now to such an extend. He is a left footer, which is something Tuchel clearly wanted and versatile, which is highly rated by the coach. His passing game is clean, his technical skill on the ball very highly advanced which allows him to beat defenders quite frequently. He has probably more of an individualistic approach to the game, which also helps us because the other offensive players bar Aubameyang tend to be more on the more selfless side. I could see him opening a lot of spaces with his runs. He probably lacks the most in terms of goal threat (thus not being a real option as striker in my eyes) and decision making. Regarding this last part he might profit a lot from Tuchel, though, and I could see him make quite a jump in terms of development in this season.
Don´t forget for what little money they gave us Kagawa back
I also see a falling out with van Gaal as the only logical explanantion for this move. With or without clause I really don´t see the reasoning of United behind this deal (or at least of the destination), which is why I deemed it so unlikely just a few days ago.
Time will tell I suppose. I expect a Röckenhaus article regarding this matter soon, which might give some insight in the matter. I also think that the way Adnan will be used by Tuchel will tell us a lot of how long we can expect to stay with us.
Kagawa was a flop here though, so no surprise that we had to give him back on a small fee. We cut our losses just by offloading him.
If it's true that there has been a problem between van Gaal and Januzaj and that we're offloading one of the most promising talents just like that, then van Gaal needs to get the feck out if he doesn't deliver a title somewhere and a deep CL run. There is no excuse for him to destroy the future of our club with his acts if he can't even deliver now.
I'd understand this if he started this season like the last - on the bench, but he's started most games when he's been fit and we are terribly short upfront. Add to the madness that he will probably find it harder breaking into the Dortmund team than ours and the deal makes zero sense.
I have no idea why we loaned him, what is the point? Unless Van Gaal doesn't rate him or want him, to me there is no other explanation. Just a bizarrely handled situation to play him for a few games and then send him on loan.
Makes perfect sense: played him a couple of games to drive up the value then sold the fecker before he could have a bad game. Van Gaal is a genius.
I don't understand this deal at all. Maybe if we had several offensive midfielders covering for him at the club then maybe it'd make sense so he could gain experience but as we stand we're left with Mata, Herrera, Young and Memphis (and Fellaini) for 3 positions - this is beyond ridiculous for a team who's supposedly competing on all fronts. Two injuries and we will have to do some serious shit to even populate these three positions.
Our transfers this season have been extremely baffling. It's like van Gaal wants to just phase out all players from Ferguson era except the one that Ferguson had wanted to sell himself. This could actually be a plausible explanation.
Our transfers this season have been extremely baffling. It's like van Gaal wants to just phase out all players from Ferguson era except the one that Ferguson had wanted to sell himself. This could actually be a plausible explanation.
I hope you're not serious, mate.
He is on loan, he hasn't been sold.
I'm sure the club have lined up Martial and Mane, or different players, as replacements, otherwise they wouldn't have loaned out Januzaj and sold Chicharito.
I'm not talking about you, but there is some serious panic mode going on in this forum at the moment, hard to endure.
So according to the RN guy there is no "classic buy option" but an agreement has been made.
Maybe United are the ones which don't want anyone to know, because they know as of now their fans would riot if they hear that Dortmund has an buyout clause for Januzaj.
If Januzaj leaves, it's Van gaal out for me. No changing my mind. He would be extremely stupid to do that bearing in mind he is only here for less then 4 years and Adnan is only 20. Another attacking manager which we should get will be great for Adnan.
Forgetting the issue of being annoyed that we've let another youngster go, for a second, what I don't understand is how we've let another attacking player go, when our attack is already so short of options? Surely all this does is weaken us further?
Possibly, or if there is not a clear cut clause but a Gentleman agreement (which is basically a clause with a set condition) and a fourth party involved in the whole deal which might even be the reason to keep it confidential.
Now, I don´t see either Reus or Aubameyang being part of that given their contract lengths and the clear intention of the club to keep them as long as they don´t pull a De Bruyne and force their way out aggressively (which I don´t see happening right now). A player who already expressed his wish to leave might be a completely different story, though, especially if said player has shown interest in joining United before and the latter might regret not completing the deal.
Having a guarantuee to get Gündogan in 2016 at a set price might be worth for United to let go of Januzaj if the latter has fallen out of favour with the coaches. It might at least somewhat explain United´s reasons for this deal and would in the end be a deal where both Dortmund and United get something out of it.
Might be a bit of a farfetched scenario but would explain the information that Dortmund has the chance to buy Januzaj if they desire to do so. It just depends if they are willing to pay the price and to answer that Januzaj has to be tested enough, which is also in his favour.
This is all really bad from the club. If we loose Januzaj it will be very bad, especially if he performs well for Dortmund
Not sure if this move is the beginning or the end for Adnan as a United player. It's a bit depressing because if he can't make it here who will break through from our youth team other than the odd defender perhaps? He was genuinely one of the top youth talents in Europe.
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