I'll bet my house that Januzaj doesn't come back next season, this just reaks of Hernandez to real loan last summer.
He's done under LVG
He's done under LVG
Januzaj | Confirmed: On Loan at Dortmund
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Really disappointed tbh.
One of the more positive parts to this season for me was him getting game time
Didn't think he was playing spectacular but none of the front 4 were and he was showing some really nice touches here and there.
Kind of expected him to improve with game time and for the pay off to be pretty special.
Just disappointed and will be extremely pissed off if he isn't back next season.
One of the more positive parts to this season for me was him getting game time
Didn't think he was playing spectacular but none of the front 4 were and he was showing some really nice touches here and there.
Kind of expected him to improve with game time and for the pay off to be pretty special.
Just disappointed and will be extremely pissed off if he isn't back next season.
How did he pass the medical anyway? Thought he was injured?
Hopefully the *********** will be fired by the end of this season. Its a process
LVG shouldn't have final say on United's younger players...very annoying.
Interesting constellation. Hope he does well there.
He won't get game time there, should of went to a team in the PL. BVB have no incentive to give him any game time.
I'm not really against him being loaned, but didn't see it being to a foreign club. As foreign clubs go I'd hope Dortmund can nurture his talent better than most.
feck off lvg
This one smells a bit. There is no clear information from either side. Maybe United asked Dortmund to keep the buy option a secret or something, cause fans at United´s end are already mad as hell with LVG selling half the club to buy a guy for $90M that has proven absolutely nothing.
Januzaj has had a good chance to prove himself at 10, but apart from his goal he hasn't been great and I assume even worse in van Gaal his eyes (he judges them based on what he wants them to do, his comments after the matches indicated Januzaj didn't do well). If lvg thinks he can't afford to give him many chances because he isn't ready yet with what he has seen from Januzaj a loan is a good move. No point in keeping him for the bench, I hope he does well at BvB and comes back as a better player.
Good luck Januzaj!
Good luck Januzaj!
Since you do know him so well, want to share more details about his thought process?
Is he even going to get much playing time there? Their attack looks harder to get into then ours right now.
This. Maybe he'll have a really good season with Dortmund and we'll be proven wrong... I dunno, this doesn't feel right.
Is there a future fee in this one? Could be risky for Dortmund if he does brilliantly there. I can't help but feel United have a signing or two lined up for tomorrow - not sure why he's been let go otherwise.
I worry that is the case too. When was the last time we loaned a player to an overseas club, and they came back and did the business? All the ones I can think of in recent memory have been binned upon return, or never returned at all. Hernandez, Henriquez, Tosic, Bebe, Macheda...
I put the post I made in the Bundesliga thread in here aswell, as it might be helpful to get one perspective of the other side:
My take on the Januzaj loan:
First of, as of right now I assume that there is no buy clause attached to the deal. I will readily admit that this detail first annoyed me a bit because I thought of it as developing a player for an elite club. However, after letting this transfer sink in a bit I can definitively understand the thought process of our officials.
When Tuchel took over he clearly stated his wish to assess the squad and work with it before making decisions. Some player basically wasted their chances by themselves (Immobile/Großkreutz) and were cut. Others were either no real options for him (Kirch) or not developed enough to help the team (Dudziack). Then there was Kuba, who was never close of making the squad until now and had the clear wish to play consistently, and Kampl, who was tested pretty often but not deemed good enough or at least not the right player type for Tuchel´s style of play. Both players got their wishes and were allowed to leave.
Now the problem with cutting so many players was that we went from a oversized squad to one with a pretty thin offense. We needed at least one additional offensive midfielder, preferably a left footer, and also identified a primary traget: Andrij Yarmolenko from Dynamo Kiew. I also believe that we got quite far with him, because there were two confirmed bids for him, which usually does not happen if we have not reached at least some sort of agreement with the player (probably via his agent Raiola). This probably led our officials to concentrate too much on this deal, which led to problems when it went downhill, because of either the veto of the club or Yarmolenko changing his mind. We still needed an offensive player, who fit Tuchel´s prefered profile (otherwise we would have kept Kuba) and time was running out.
As solution for this problem the officials went for a temporary one, which kinda makes sense for us, but not for Januzaj himself or United. The problem with such one year loans is that they only make sense if the loaned player improves the peak strength of the team as starter. This makes sure that the player gets plenty of consistent game time because he is too good to be benched. This is not the case at Dortmund. Januzaj has on his positions three players ahead of him, which are currently superior to him: Mkhitaryan has finally fully arrived at Dortmund, has a fantastic relationship to Tuchel and is bar injuries or a massive drop in form undroppable. Kagawa edges more and more towards his personal peak form, where he is able to do things Januzaj has never shown and Reus does not even need top form to be rated higher than the Belgian.
Januzaj is right now an addition to squad, a deal for the squad depth. Sure, he will usually be one of the first options from the bench (although I would not even put him above Hofmann in the pecking order right now given the circumstances) and start a few games, probably mostly EL group matches, cup matches and some Bundesliga matches without top competition. He would not be played to develop him, though, but to give the key players opportunities to rest. He would be nothing more than a pretty damn cheap and decent cover for the key players and I don´t see how this situation is better than his current one at United, unless they buy two really strong offensive midfielder in the remainder of the transfer window. This would change his situation alltogether, though, because it would significantly increase the changes to sign him permanently.
Right now, it appears that United want him back after one year, though, so Januzaj would be some kind of place holder either for a permanent signing next Winter/Summer (potentially another attempt on Yarmolenko if he is still willing to join) or to buy time for our incredibly talented academy player, who rip the youth Bundeliga appart right now, and will become options for the senior team sooner or later.
Like I said, not the best situation Januzaj got himself in with this loan deal.
My take on the Januzaj loan:
First of, as of right now I assume that there is no buy clause attached to the deal. I will readily admit that this detail first annoyed me a bit because I thought of it as developing a player for an elite club. However, after letting this transfer sink in a bit I can definitively understand the thought process of our officials.
When Tuchel took over he clearly stated his wish to assess the squad and work with it before making decisions. Some player basically wasted their chances by themselves (Immobile/Großkreutz) and were cut. Others were either no real options for him (Kirch) or not developed enough to help the team (Dudziack). Then there was Kuba, who was never close of making the squad until now and had the clear wish to play consistently, and Kampl, who was tested pretty often but not deemed good enough or at least not the right player type for Tuchel´s style of play. Both players got their wishes and were allowed to leave.
Now the problem with cutting so many players was that we went from a oversized squad to one with a pretty thin offense. We needed at least one additional offensive midfielder, preferably a left footer, and also identified a primary traget: Andrij Yarmolenko from Dynamo Kiew. I also believe that we got quite far with him, because there were two confirmed bids for him, which usually does not happen if we have not reached at least some sort of agreement with the player (probably via his agent Raiola). This probably led our officials to concentrate too much on this deal, which led to problems when it went downhill, because of either the veto of the club or Yarmolenko changing his mind. We still needed an offensive player, who fit Tuchel´s prefered profile (otherwise we would have kept Kuba) and time was running out.
As solution for this problem the officials went for a temporary one, which kinda makes sense for us, but not for Januzaj himself or United. The problem with such one year loans is that they only make sense if the loaned player improves the peak strength of the team as starter. This makes sure that the player gets plenty of consistent game time because he is too good to be benched. This is not the case at Dortmund. Januzaj has on his positions three players ahead of him, which are currently superior to him: Mkhitaryan has finally fully arrived at Dortmund, has a fantastic relationship to Tuchel and is bar injuries or a massive drop in form undroppable. Kagawa edges more and more towards his personal peak form, where he is able to do things Januzaj has never shown and Reus does not even need top form to be rated higher than the Belgian.
Januzaj is right now an addition to squad, a deal for the squad depth. Sure, he will usually be one of the first options from the bench (although I would not even put him above Hofmann in the pecking order right now given the circumstances) and start a few games, probably mostly EL group matches, cup matches and some Bundesliga matches without top competition. He would not be played to develop him, though, but to give the key players opportunities to rest. He would be nothing more than a pretty damn cheap and decent cover for the key players and I don´t see how this situation is better than his current one at United, unless they buy two really strong offensive midfielder in the remainder of the transfer window. This would change his situation alltogether, though, because it would significantly increase the changes to sign him permanently.
Right now, it appears that United want him back after one year, though, so Januzaj would be some kind of place holder either for a permanent signing next Winter/Summer (potentially another attempt on Yarmolenko if he is still willing to join) or to buy time for our incredibly talented academy player, who rip the youth Bundeliga appart right now, and will become options for the senior team sooner or later.
Like I said, not the best situation Januzaj got himself in with this loan deal.
Januzaj is a better talent than every of them.
I have a bad feeling about this loan deal though.
He absolutely is. Certainly not disputing that. Just recent history seems to suggest that it's not something we normally do, unless a player is pretty much unwanted.
Henriquez, and even Bebe, had good seasons on loan, but it was meaningless in the end.
Unfortunately that seems like a good take on it. Though I do think he could get enough playing time depending on any injury to your first chose 3 AMs
Let's say he does get a place in Dortmunds first eleven but isn't exactly a world beater. So, something like Kuba at his best. Do you really think Januzaj wouldn't consider staying at Dortmund instead of going back to Manchester's bench? For a decent fee he very well might be off then.
Lovely jersey, have to buy it.
However, I feel as if Januzaj is only squad depth cover for Dortmund, and although they have added possession as a priority under Tuchel, they don't play the same as us.. He might become more comfortable in possession as time goes on, but Dortmund still rely on fast transitions and quick build up play, totally unlike the way we play. If it's one club I would have loved to see him at though is Dortmund, so let's see how this move works out.
As I said, if you know what he thinks or what the club has in store for him, enlighten us all. I think you should stick to reading your own players' minds.
For him he's better off spending the year there where he's in a club with a style and identity which embraces the way he plays naturally. Flowing, creative, bold football with emphasis on high skill and technique.
He was going nowhere with Van Gaal as the philosophy stripped him off the tools which stood out for him before.
He'll learn a lot, get confidence back and take a lot from the experience. Rather than playing inhibited and fearful of mistakes he'll develop himself.
Didn't you get the memo? Louis Van Gaal hates people challenging his precious Rooney.
Just made an assumption based on what other players did, why are you so butthurt about it?
We lost Hummels that way, for example.
Argue against if you want to, but this is just pathetic.
I apologize. It is really fkng frantic and I cannot for the love of life understand why we are letting go of a really talented youngster and are taking a huge punt on another one. All while our attack is a right fkng mess for three years running and after 300 million pounds spent.
Understandable. But while you overpaid, Martial is still promosing. Only looks a bit thin now upfront.
Hmmmm. He has three years left. So next summer it will be two years. Well that means United still have some leverage, but not a lot, if the player and Dortmund want the permanent move next summer.
You have not seen Rooney this season, have you? If you had you would be crying for us with the crappy options we have in attack.
Well, apart from it being arguable if it helps Januzaj in terms of confidence to be a squad player with us instead of being closer to the starting XI at United, I don´t see how this helps United when he comes back.
Sure, he might develop further and even shine more in our system, but unless you start playing a similar style next season, this won´t be worth that much.
United and Dortmund might both play possession based football for the most part now, but there are still vast differences in style. This begins with the pressing movements over the extremely offensively positioned fullbacks on our part which leads to overloading the flanks and ends with a way more fluid front four. The last point is probably the biggest difference and might even cause Januzaj problems once he returns. We have basically no fixed positions in the offense. Mkhitaryan and Reus change sides very frequently, Aubameyang slides to the sides often, making room for Kagawa´s runs into the box. It is that constant movement of the offensive which allows them to create spaces and then slice defenses open with quick passing or sharp crosses. I can see Januzaj flourishing in this system, which is also why I welcome his as a very good addition to the squad, but ultimatively he will have to get used again to United´s approach.
I don't rate him as highly as some on here but I think it's ridiculous to let him go. Nice move for him though.
Yeah this makes no sense on many levels.
He was good enough to start the season as a 10 leaving Herrera on the bench, but now he needs to leave for a year to develop on a team where he will not start barring injury
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Yeah this transfer season just gets more confusing and frustrating.
He was good enough to start the season as a 10 leaving Herrera on the bench, but now he needs to leave for a year to develop on a team where he will not start barring injury
? Yeah this transfer season just gets more confusing and frustrating.
Last year was a wasted year for him. Don't want that again so for him to get away from the pressure of United where he doesn't know where he stands will be good for his development.
There's no rush for him to be a starter but he has to develop and that simply was not happening under Van Gaal. This manager seemingly wanted to remould him but with the big names in the squad he had no time for Adnan.
From his PoV Dortmund is the perfect club. I think he'd have taken a reunion with Moyes tbh.
Yeah this makes no sense on many levels.
He was good enough to start the season as a 10 leaving Herrera on the bench, but now he needs to leave for a year to develop on a team where he will not start barring injury
Yeah this transfer season just gets more confusing and frustrating.
He will get more starts if a certain blond haired German leaves.
So that's now two LVG myths dispelled:
The first being that he has the balls to drop players (except Rooney). And the second being that he likes to put faith in youth.
Yeah I'm all aboard the disillusionment express.
The first being that he has the balls to drop players (except Rooney). And the second being that he likes to put faith in youth.
Yeah I'm all aboard the disillusionment express.
Yeah this makes no sense on many levels.
He was good enough to start the season as a 10 leaving Herrera on the bench, but now he needs to leave for a year to develop on a team where he will not start barring injury
Yeah this transfer season just gets more confusing and frustrating.
Let's be honest, he's had a few good games in his entire career here. He showed close to nothing this season and last. I'd love him to succeed but like a lot of others have said, LvG stifles his natural game. It's probably better to go somewhere they let you play attacking football.
Damn, I already miss him. Hopefully he lights it up at Dortmund, shows LvG he fecked up.
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