[Teja]

He's not though is he? He's actually quicker than peak Mata. He's not Rashford quick but he does have some speed on him. Showed it occasionally on a few counter attacks.

Playing within himself also means we don't even see that part of his game.

Sancho is miles faster than Mata - fecking hell this place

I really don't recall him ever beating an average fullback for pace. Has he ever skinned an OOP CB at RB and driven to the by-line? It doesn't even have to be now, any time since he joined us basically.

Straightline speed without the ball is somewhat useful on the counter but speed on the ball when taking on a fullback 1v1 is what really matters.

 

[Glorio]

I really don't recall him ever beating an average fullback for pace. Has he ever skinned an OOP CB at RB and driven to the by-line? It doesn't even have to be now, any time since he joined us basically.

Straightline speed without the ball is somewhat useful on the counter but speed on the ball when taking on a fullback 1v1 is what really matters.

What you're pointing out could well be part of him playing within himself.
This isn't beating a full back but his acceleration there with the ball on the counter is clear to see.

 

[AltiUn]

Agreed. If Rashford can turn it around, so can Sancho.

I do wonder whether he has the fire in him though? that's my only worry. Only time will tell, but hopefully a bit of time out of the side will reignite his form.

Frustratingly he started pre season really well, but right now he's clearly 3rd choice behind Rashford/Antony.

He can, his form is concerning but it's fair to say his confidence looks shot which can make even world class players look poor.

 

[Cassidy]

The evidence is pretty clear - We rejected martinelli on four trials and decided not to sign him. For sancho, we clearly chased him relentlessly for 2 years and invested good money to sign him. Neither would had happened if we had not believed sancho is clearly the better player and has a higher ceiling.

So what you’re saying is the same scouts that had us sign Fred, Amad, Pelletri, Dan James etc are always right?

 

[mav_9me]

It is a pretty big area of concern. Just sheer pace / physicality goes a long way in this league.

He's basically an old Mata at this point.

Haha I'm not sure what to say.

 

[Cassidy]

Their entire careers until todays date, perhaps?

Except again not true

 

[Skills]

So what you’re saying is the same scouts that had us sign Fred, Amad, Pelletri, Dan James etc are always right?

You overrate the influence of scouts

 

[Cassidy]

You overrate the influence of scouts

Im simply replying to the poster who suggested the scouts have determined that.
Us chasing Sancho for 2 years does not mean he is better. It only means United think he is and I would argue our judgement over the past 7 years in that regards is evidently flawed.

 

[DWelbz19]

Sancho is miles faster than Mata - fecking hell this place

It’s actually madness. We’re talking about a player who was putting up 15+ goals and 15+ assists a season at the age of 19. Quality of this level does not vanish overnight

 

[Stacks]

Pace has never been more important in the PL as it is now, so I understand him being benched. However, if ETH gets us to play like Pep in a few years, Sancho will thrive.
His game is all about one-two's and movement around the box.

He doesn't play like Pep who actually let him go. Pep wants goals out of his wingers and directness. Not just backwards passes.

 

[Santoryo]

Sancho is miles faster than Mata - fecking hell this place

Feels like lunatics running the asylum.

 

[Santoryo]

Except again not true

Dude what exactly is your argument for Martinelli? He hasn't even had a full season of top performances to pretend that he should be crown the guy you're trying to make him be. Sancho has shown his talent and play at a high level for full seasons, let's not pretend otherwise.

 

[Cassidy]

Dude what exactly is your argument for Martinelli? He hasn't even had a full season of top performances to pretend that he should be crown the guy you're trying to make him be. Sancho has shown his talent and play at a high level for full seasons, let's not pretend otherwise.

Ive not say Martinelli is more talented or has a higher ceiling though have I?

One of Martinellis most promising seasons was 4 years ago under Emery when he played as the Europa league striker. Since then injuries have stagnated his development.

There isn’t the evidence to say either have a higher ceiling. Especially when Sanchos full seasons were in the Bundesliga where there is a lot of statistical evidence that shows performances there do not translate to the same performances in the PL.

Both are talented players. Anyone claiming one has a higher ceiling than the other is talking absolute rubbish

 

[tomaldinho1]

Sancho is miles faster than Mata - fecking hell this place

It’s insane isn’t it. Mata was unbelievably slow, Sancho is just averagely fast but playing in a position where you tend to find some of the paciest players.

 

[Stadjer]

It’s insane isn’t it. Mata was unbelievably slow, Sancho is just averagely fast but playing in a position where you tend to find some of the paciest players.

It really is. I think he is actually quite fast (atleast above average) but he is slower than other wing players like Adama, Martinelli or Saint Maximin. Still, i dont think his pace is a problem at all. He is fast enough to be a succes.

 

[Mickeza]

It’s insane isn’t it. Mata was unbelievably slow, Sancho is just averagely fast but playing in a position where you tend to find some of the paciest players.

He has good acceleration. Top speed is average fast like you say for that position. People still don’t seem to have any idea what sort of player he is because in their minds he was this winger who would burn their fullback down the line constantly when he’s never been that type of footballer. The only thing that’ll stop him being a top player under ETH is his mentality - his skillset, ability and physical attributes are not an issue.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Antony and Rashford offer more than this guy. Sadly, I haven't seen much from Sancho that he is good enough. His passing is average, his shooting is also average, and I rarely see him put any crosses which makes me assume that he can't cross. If there is nothing to offer in his passing, shooting, and crossing, then he doesn't have the pace to beat players, on top of these limitation, his work rate is poor, what does he offer?

On the positive note, Garnacho looks more talented than this guy so at least we already have someone waiting in a line to replace Sancho.

 

[mav_9me]

He has good acceleration. Top speed is average fast like you say for that position. People still don’t seem to have any idea what sort of player he is because in their minds he was this winger who would burn their fullback down the line constantly when he’s never been that type of footballer. The only thing that’ll stop him being a top player under ETH is his mentality - his skillset, ability and physical attributes are not an issue.

And I'm backing ETH to bring the best out of Sancho. And backing Sancho to get the best out of himself.

 

[DRJosh]

I feel him missing out on a World Cup spot will benefit him tremendously (as a United player) but I suppose he will get called up. He seems to be in a perennial identity crisis. No idea what kind of player he actually is.

 

[BEST No7]

I feel him missing out on a World Cup spot will benefit him tremendously (as a United player) but I suppose he will get called up. He seems to be in a perennial identity crisis. No idea what kind of player he actually is.

Yea don't think he's going, not sure if it benefits United though.

Something lacking in his mentality, he needs to step it up big time

 

[OT_United]

He doesn't play like Pep who actually let him go. Pep wants goals out of his wingers and directness. Not just backwards passes.

He's majorly lacking in confidence at the moment, so yeah he's often passing backwards. Like Grealish may I add.
An in-form JS last season was direct and taking people on.

 

[crossy1686]

His reluctance to try and beat a man will be his downfall at an elite level. You either terrorise the full back all game or you go and play for a team with less ambition.

 

[Stacks]

He's majorly lacking in confidence at the moment, so yeah he's often passing backwards. Like Grealish may I add.
An in-form JS last season was direct and taking people on.

He was never in form. He was just a bit better than his usual trash and standards have dropped so much people called it "in form". can you remind me of these games/period of time when he terrorised his opponents and was taking them on?

 

[crossy1686]

He's majorly lacking in confidence at the moment, so yeah he's often passing backwards. Like Grealish may I add.
An in-form JS last season was direct and taking people on.

I cannot recall a single time he has tried to turn a fullback inside out. It's not form, it's habitual. He has to improve to come even close to justifying his transfer fee, either that or find a new position or club.

 

[OT_United]

He was never in form. He was just a bit better than his usual trash and standards have dropped so much people called it "in form". can you remind me of these games/period of time when he terrorised his opponents and was taking them on?

Did you not watch the Leeds game?
I'm hardly saying he terrorised his opponents. He just was willing to take a player on and give it another go if he failed first time.

 

[TheReligion]

So what you’re saying is the same scouts that had us sign Fred, Amad, Pelletri, Dan James etc are always right?

Are we writing off Amad and Pellestri now too?

 

[Cassidy]

Are we writing off Amad and Pellestri now too?

Well Pelletri is leaving in January. And Amad quite obviously cost far too much for his current level (even if he comes good in the future)

So they were both poor transfers.

 

[TheReligion]

Well Pelletri is leaving in January. And Amad quite obviously cost far too much for his current level (even if he comes good in the future)

So they were both poor transfers.

Going on loan? and Amad at 19m has a lot to deliver on yes.

You can’t write either off though yet. Well you can but it would but rather silly.

 

[Cassidy]

Going on loan? and Amad at 19m has a lot to deliver on yes.

You can’t write either off though yet. Well you can but it would but rather silly.

No he is leaving and looking for a new club according to his agent

 

[TheReligion]

No he is leaving and looking for a new club according to his agent

It was ambiguous from what I read unless there’s more?

He was due to go on loan this summer before injury from memory. He’s also featured in several matchday squads.

Suspect he won’t be sold just yet

 

[MikeKing]

Sancho will work hard and turn this around. He is not a finisher playing from the wing, he is a playmaker out wide playing with no striker and a Bruno learning a new role.

 

[pascell]

Just read he's out tomorrow because he's ill, this guy is always ill!

 

[Bondi77]

Just read he's out tomorrow because he's ill, this guy is always ill!

He is a sick dude!

 

[Edgio]

Physically, he's average at best, which limits his productivity and output in the league. He's only 22, but he has to work really hard and focus on his body.

He can get stronger yet increase or maintain his agility and balance and technique. So far under EtH, the team can be very transition heavy and quick, which is not exactly his strong suit.

He does provide a very good link up in the attacking 3rd and can score with well taken goals. He's not necessarily a match winner who will do something out of nothing, especially when it comes to creating one's own shot.

There's a place for him in the team, but compared to his transfer fee, it's not good enough. Eriksen will have first crack at playing for Bruno, as has been the case throughout the season where Bruno goes wide and Eriksen assumes the 10 position.

With Ronaldo having difficulty scoring or providing anything besides a goal threat, it forces Marcus to stay at his best position which most of already known as a left forward who is more intersted in scoring first than assisting and linking up for the greater good of the team. Seeing Elanga play in the right over Sancho against West Ham confirms the physical understanding from EtH that is need against many PL team and the fact that Sancho isn't physical enough to really cope with it.

I feel he's more than quick enough to play for a fast counter attack - he did it Dortmund. Unfortunately he's just another player who has suffered an identity crisis since he came into a boring team with no real plan.

He'll come around I'm sure. Ten Hag has already got several players looking more like their old selves.

 

[JB08]

This guy must have the weakest immune system in the world.

I hate to speculate, but I wonder if there is something more to it. Hope he is fine.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Sad to say this, but I no longer looking forward to see him playing for us. On the left we already have Rashford and Garnancho, who are both clearly better. On the right we have Antony, who is our first choice. I don’t know maybe he could fight and try to nail down as our 2nd choice on the right, we don’t have many options there.

 

[sugar_kane]

I've said it before but this guy is along with Ronaldo is one of the biggest problems Ed Woodward left us with.

Woodward made a ton of disgustingly bad mistakes but most of these will resolve themselves in the next season or so.

When Ronaldo leaves he will be the second highest earner in the squad and that is locked in until 2027, so there is almost no chance of shifting him.

That's over £100k more a week than Bruno is on, almost double what Rashford is on, more than double what Shaw is on. More than multiple Champions League winners Casemiro & Varane. He's on a weekly wage equal to Salah and not far behind De Bruyne and Haaland. It's absolutely absurd.

I cannot see how that isn't disruptive to the dressing room unless the guy is tearing it up every game - but he barely looks arsed most of the time, and that's when he isn't pulling a sickie.

 

[Saddy]

I've said it before but this guy is along with Ronaldo is one of the biggest problems Ed Woodward left us with.

Woodward made a ton of disgustingly bad mistakes but most of these will resolve themselves in the next season or so.

When Ronaldo leaves he will be the second highest earner in the squad and that is locked in until 2027, so there is almost no chance of shifting him.

That's over £100k more a week than Bruno is on, almost double what Rashford is on, more than double what Shaw is on. More than multiple Champions League winners Casemiro & Varane. He's on a weekly wage equal to Salah and not far behind De Bruyne and Haaland. It's absolutely absurd.

I cannot see how that isn't disruptive to the dressing room unless the guy is tearing it up every game - but he barely looks arsed most of the time, and that's when he isn't pulling a sickie.

Totally agree with this and I just don't understand why we paid the quoted 350k per week wages - who else were in for him and he must have been on less than 150k per week ?

I know Dortmund played hard ball for the transfer fee and at least we got that reduced from 100-120M but his wages should have been around 200k p.w as he wasn't a regular international and that would be the only reason to pay top/world class wages.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

The evidence is pretty clear - We rejected martinelli on four trials and decided not to sign him. For sancho, we clearly chased him relentlessly for 2 years and invested good money to sign him. Neither would had happened if we had not believed sancho is clearly the better player and has a higher ceiling.

Do you believe its possible Man United are not beneath making mistakes & errors of judgement?

Wenger openly said he preferred Francis Jeffers as a striker to Ruud Van Nistelroy. Juventus sold us Thierry Henry thinking he wasnt any good. Wenger passed on signing Yaya Toure. Clubs make bad calls all the time. The coaches at Man United didnt rate Martinelli as a 15-16 year old can join the list of bad calls.

Martinelli's glass ceiling is miles ahead of Sancho. If you asked any major club which player would you prefer, the preference would be universal.

 

[GoonerInPeace]

We rejected Martinelli because we already had Greenwood though so it's not really a slight on Martinelli's ability.

No you didnt. You just made a mistake with Martinelli. No club passes on a great young player because they already have one. You reckon Barcelona would say, forget about Neymar and Suarez, we have Messi.

I would love Greenwood at Arsenal to go along with Martinelli and Saka. There is no limit on clubs wanting high quality players. Especially at discount prices.

As for Sancho. How long before that young Spanish lad is preferred to him? And given he isnt an ETH signing I reckon ETH would have no problem phasing him out, now matter how much he cost or how much money he is on. Arteta did just that with Pepe. 'Surely our not comparing Pepe woth Sancho', well why not - they are both ineffective.