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Marktan (or not sure exactly what's his name) using Sancho's name in every transfer thread for wrong reasons, saying why xyz player won't be successful in PL giving Sancho as example.

This season many will be eating their words and will move goal posts regarding Sancho.
Ah. Yeah. He really isn't a fan of sancho for whatever reason and was victory lapping after 1 year which had nothing to do with Sancho himself. He's currently shitting on Martinez I think.
 
Seems to remember a lot of people doubting him because he lacked blistering pace.

Maybe it was a confidence/tactical issue last season, but he looks so much more energetic this season.
 
I didn’t see the game so these comments are awesome to hear. Fingers crossed this is his season.
 
Has to be the most naturally talented player we have had in a while.
 
Marktan (or not sure exactly what's his name) using Sancho's name in every transfer thread for wrong reasons, saying why xyz player won't be successful in PL giving Sancho as example.

This season many will be eating their words and will move goal posts regarding Sancho.
He's the clown who kept bringing up Saint-Maximin as a shining light.
 
Marktan (or not sure exactly what's his name) using Sancho's name in every transfer thread for wrong reasons, saying why xyz player won't be successful in PL giving Sancho as example.

This season many will be eating their words and will move goal posts regarding Sancho.

First time being namedropped on the caf :drool:

Sancho's a special case in that Sancho being an emerging English talent for Dortmund, I watched a lot of his games. I probably watched him more than 99% of the caf. As such it was clear to me what his strengths and weaknesses were and so I wasn't surprised he struggled. I mean of course I hope he improves and does well for us this season, the signings of Eriksen and FDJ should help him with quicker transitions, but if teams sit back deep and ask him to run at them he'll continue to face the same problems.

The reason I mentioned him in the Martinez thread was to note the problem with buying players for big money from lesser leagues. Sancho was given time and space in the Bundesliga that doesn't exist in the PL. Likewise Antony - I can easily see him struggling as if you watch his 21/22 goals + assists, the level of defending is pretty bad.

I did say Martinez was different in that he's a defender and harder to judge, is a good passer and can dribble which would translate well to the PL. The point was though the level of attackers in the Eredivise is nowhere near the PL and we don't know he'll fare in a back 4 with no DM protection in the PL. If we were signing Ousmane Dembele for example I wouldn't use Sancho as a comparison because he does well in La Liga where the defending is to a higher standard.
 
First time being namedropped on the caf :drool:

Sancho's a special case in that Sancho being an emerging English talent for Dortmund, I watched a lot of his games. I probably watched him more than 99% of the caf. As such it was clear to me what his strengths and weaknesses were and so I wasn't surprised he struggled. I mean of course I hope he improves and does well for us this season, the signings of Eriksen and FDJ should help him with quicker transitions, but if teams sit back deep and ask him to run at them he'll continue to face the same problems.

The reason I mentioned him in the Martinez thread was to note the problem with buying players for big money from lesser leagues. Sancho was given time and space in the Bundesliga that doesn't exist in the PL. Likewise Antony - I can easily see him struggling as if you watch his 21/22 goals + assists, the level of defending is pretty bad.

I did say Martinez was different in that he's a defender and harder to judge, is a good passer and can dribble which would translate well to the PL. The point was though the level of attackers in the Eredivise is nowhere near the PL and we don't know he'll fare in a back 4 with no DM protection in the PL. If we were signing Ousmane Dembele for example I wouldn't use Sancho as a comparison because he does well in La Liga where the defending is to a higher standard.
The point which you are missing is that Sancho's struggles are less to do with the league transition (which there is always some adapting sure) and more to do with the team being a disaster and an impossible environment to perform in. I've got 0 concerns about how he does for ten hag because well, ten Hag has a system that will actually get the best out of him and will be a team environment that is conducive to attacking players.

I've seen plenty of sancho from before. I straight up disagree with your assessment and IMO he's a generational player and he'll show it under ten hag. I don't think there's a single other premier league player who I would hypothetically trade him for, due to his mix of age and talent and what he's shown in his career already. For me it's pointless to say anything about how he does for England or last season as I never want United to play like that, and it's not something that any big club should aspire to do. So struggling in a system like that is irrelevant for how we should be playing and how we will under ten hag.
 
The point which you are missing is that Sancho's struggles are less to do with the league transition (which there is always some adapting sure) and more to do with the team being a disaster and an impossible environment to perform in. I've got 0 concerns about how he does for ten hag because well, ten Hag has a system that will actually get the best out of him and will be a team environment that is conducive to attacking players.

I've seen plenty of sancho from before. I straight up disagree with your assessment and IMO he's a generational player and he'll show it under ten hag. I don't think there's a single other premier league player who I would hypothetically trade him for, due to his mix of age and talent and what he's shown in his career already. For me it's pointless to say anything about how he does for England or last season as I never want United to play like that, and it's not something that any big club should aspire to do. So struggling in a system like that is irrelevant for how we should be playing and how we will under ten hag.
Good post
 
The point which you are missing is that Sancho's struggles are less to do with the league transition (which there is always some adapting sure) and more to do with the team being a disaster and an impossible environment to perform in. I've got 0 concerns about how he does for ten hag because well, ten Hag has a system that will actually get the best out of him and will be a team environment that is conducive to attacking players.

I've seen plenty of sancho from before. I straight up disagree with your assessment and IMO he's a generational player and he'll show it under ten hag. I don't think there's a single other premier league player who I would hypothetically trade him for, due to his mix of age and talent and what he's shown in his career already. For me it's pointless to say anything about how he does for England or last season as I never want United to play like that, and it's not something that any big club should aspire to do. So struggling in a system like that is irrelevant for how we should be playing and how we will under ten hag.

Well let's wait and see really. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
 
Good to see that Erik is sticking with playing him on the right so he can build something with Dalot and possibly Laird to give pace on the RW.
 
Such a wonderfully talented and technical player, it's such a shame he's so slow. Give him pace and I genuinely think he'd be at Hazard's level at the very least.
 
Imagine he had blistering pace to go with all that skills and vision, I hope he keep developing on stuff like strength, Aggression and the will to run all day.

He's going to be a really crucial player for us this season fingers crossed he stays fit cause it's a big season for him.
 
Slow? WTF?
It’s one of those myths that take a real thing (him not being blistering fast) and extrapolate it into absurdity. He’s not as fast as, say, Rashford (pre-injuries at least) and he does do a lot of kick & run sequences like Bale/Rashford/Traore but he’s far from being slow (like Mata was — here’s an example of an attacker who was significantly limited by his athletic ability).
 
Such a wonderfully talented and technical player, it's such a shame he's so slow. Give him pace and I genuinely think he'd be at Hazard's level at the very least.
You think he’s “so slow”. @Zehner thinks he’s faster than Salah.

Never seen such a wide contrast in observation for a players pace.
 
Sancho looks slow because he takes his player on in a slower way, usually cutting in towards them before making a through ball pass - he doesn’t kick and run as much as the faster players.

It is what gives him the extra bit of accuracy in through balls and passing. It doesn’t make him slow as a player though.
 
Sancho is average paced but does have a burst of acceleration from a standstill.
This. Slow top speed, fast acceleration. Needs to be used in a way where his strength is used and his weakness isn't needed.
 
You think he’s “so slow”. @Zehner thinks he’s faster than Salah.

Never seen such a wide contrast in observation for a players pace.

Well, he achieved a higher top speed than Salah in last year's CL despite playing less games, like it or not. Can't be so slow then I suppose.
 
So far pre season looks fire as RW. I can't believe I actually listen to the bundesliga fans telling me he's LW.
 
Sancho is without doubt the most skilful player we've got at the club.. His fancy footwork is reserved for the pitch and is an absolute joy to watch unlike some of our former Tik Tok dancing stars.
 
Well, he achieved a higher top speed than Salah in last year's CL despite playing less games, like it or not. Can't be so slow then I suppose.
Do players not run in the premier league? I’ve already shown you Salah was faster. 2nd fastest recorded in the league. Weird fascination with your stat.
 
Do players not run in the premier league? I’ve already shown you Salah was faster. 2nd fastest recorded in the league. Weird fascination with your stat.

See, I already told you that 36 km/h is pretty fast :) You still got to admit that Salah made it to the final of the UCL not running faster than 33.5 km/h which means that his top speed hasn't helped him even once in 14 matches. Moreover, there are sources documenting that Salah's EPL top speed up until January was even below those 33 km/h. So it seems a bit inconsequent to label a player who is documented to run 34+ km/h as "slow".
 
See, I already told you that 36 km/h is pretty fast :) You still got to admit that Salah made it to the final of the UCL not running faster than 33.5 km/h which means that his top speed hasn't helped him even once in 14 matches. Moreover, there are sources documenting that Salah's EPL top speed up until January was even below those 33 km/h. So it seems a bit inconsequent to label a player who is documented to run 34+ km/h as "slow".
Top speed is a rubbish metric. Acceleration is far more important and it’s clear Sancho isn’t blessed in that regard, whereas players like Salah and Mane definitely are.
 
He is a brilliant, exciting player yet fans bitch about acceleration/pace…. Seriously just enjoy it
 
The guy came into an impossible situation last season. We signed Ronaldo randomly last minute which put him down the pecking order with Greenwood banging them in on the right the season before and the whole “Rashy” dynamic seen throughout the entirety of Ole’s tenure.

It was really shitty, but I’m not here to bash Ole or Rashford or anyone else for that matter. The point is once he finally started getting games he showed glimpses and then some proper performances in a really poor side. He will absolutely roger it this season in ten Hag’s system. Full stop.
 
The guy came into an impossible situation last season. We signed Ronaldo randomly last minute which put him down the pecking order with Greenwood banging them in on the right the season before and the whole “Rashy” dynamic seen throughout the entirety of Ole’s tenure.

It was really shitty, but I’m not here to bash Ole or Rashford or anyone else for that matter. The point is once he finally started getting games he showed glimpses and then some proper performances in a really poor side. He will absolutely roger it this season in ten Hag’s system. Full stop.
Was is it that or was it him choosing to go on holiday and instead bin off preseason and come into his new club unfit for basically the start of the season? Looking forward to what he can do this year fully prepared.
 
The guy came into an impossible situation last season. We signed Ronaldo randomly last minute which put him down the pecking order with Greenwood banging them in on the right the season before and the whole “Rashy” dynamic seen throughout the entirety of Ole’s tenure.
‘Rashy’ didn’t start his first game until well into late October and Ronaldo wasn’t here for the first three games. It was his own fault he didn’t cement a place when he had ample opportunity.
 
Was is it that or was it him choosing to go on holiday and instead bin off preseason and come into his new club unfit for basically the start of the season? Looking forward to what he can do this year fully prepared.
Think if the club wanted him to not go on holiday, he'd have agreed. But unfortunately Ole was a weakling
 
Think if the club wanted him to not go on holiday, he'd have agreed. But unfortunately Ole was a weakling
Very much doubt that but we'll never know. Rewriting of history for players we like needs to stop, Sancho had a bad season. The environment he came into didn't help but him as a player didn't do much either, his work rate was shite and his good individual performances where so few and far between.

That said new season, new manager so new start, hoping for big things from him.
 
He’s a joy to watch. Our most talented player by a distance.
I think we might finally agree on something! The way he effortlessly moves the ball out of his feet and can move in any direction. The way he carries the ball with his head up. His eye for a creative pass and finally I think he’s potentially a really clean finisher if he gets his confidence up.

Couldn't agree more. Just love watching him. He and Foden don't play like English players. They are so much silkier.

After Sancho’s impressive display on the right wing, a lot of people are wondering why we didn’t play him there more and why he wasn’t as effective when we did try him there.

It’s a prime example of good coaching instructions and system. As mentioned in other thread, our full backs were constantly making under lapping runs inside of the wingers and behind the full backs. This is something ETH will bring. It gave Sancho 2/3 options whenever he received the ball. It allowed him to thread slide rule balls and find others with intricate passes which is what his game is. He didn’t need to try and outpace a player which is what he had to do last season due to the static movement in the team.

That's the key. The movement will get the best out of him.

This guy is going to be the creative hub on this side for years like a Hazard at Chelsea good.

Definitely has the potential to be that good.

Guy is going to be our player of the season. World class player. Idiots hating on him last season not realizing it was an impossible environment

Our only world class talent imo.

Once Eriksen joins he'll be even better I think

Didn't think of that... hoping for some slow link up play between Eriksen/ Bruno/ Sancho

Has to be the most naturally talented player we have had in a while.

Since Nani as someone said.

The point which you are missing is that Sancho's struggles are less to do with the league transition (which there is always some adapting sure) and more to do with the team being a disaster and an impossible environment to perform in. I've got 0 concerns about how he does for ten hag because well, ten Hag has a system that will actually get the best out of him and will be a team environment that is conducive to attacking players.

I've seen plenty of sancho from before. I straight up disagree with your assessment and IMO he's a generational player and he'll show it under ten hag. I don't think there's a single other premier league player who I would hypothetically trade him for, due to his mix of age and talent and what he's shown in his career already. For me it's pointless to say anything about how he does for England or last season as I never want United to play like that, and it's not something that any big club should aspire to do. So struggling in a system like that is irrelevant for how we should be playing and how we will under ten hag.

The only one for me is Foden. Equal if not better.
 
Was is it that or was it him choosing to go on holiday and instead bin off preseason and come into his new club unfit for basically the start of the season? Looking forward to what he can do this year fully prepared.
That’s unfair, he was ill/injured during preseason so it’s not surprising he looked unfit:

‘It should also be noted that his start to the campaign was affected by an illness which was worse than has been publicly acknowledged. When Sancho arrived for pre-season he had a bad ear infection affecting his ability to go full pelt. He was required to train with cotton balls lodged into his ear canals. Then he sustained a calf injury.’

https://www.football365.com/news/jadon-sancho-illness-man-utd-worse-publicly-acknowledged
 
The only one for me is Foden. Equal if not better
I always rated Sancho higher TBF. Foden is good, but i don't think he has the same potential nor has he shown the level Sancho did at Dortmund. He had the benefit of being in a pep side though, so i would take last season as any comparison (also, both have been a bit shit for England imo but that's more on Southgate than the players). Generally though - as a 1 for 1 swap, i think it's easier to find a foden than a Sancho, but I'll admit it's close and just my preference. The only player in the league who I would do a swap for 1 for 1 would be Haaland probably thinking about it. Strikers are just so fecking rare these days.
 
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