Seen a few post that he wasn’t quick at Dortmund and “didn’t rely on pace”. The second part’s right but he was definitely quick enough to get past players. My memory is he was really good on the transition, but it was in short spaces (he wasn’t really fast over longer distances). He looks much slower now, but I don’t remember any big injuries. He was shocking in the first half of the final season he had at Dortmund, then got back to his best. I can’t see that happening at United, but maybe it will…
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Seen a few post that he wasn’t quick at Dortmund and “didn’t rely on pace”. The second part’s right but he was definitely quick enough to get past players. My memory is he was really good on the transition, but it was in short spaces (he wasn’t really fast over longer distances). He looks much slower now, but I don’t remember any big injuries. He was shocking in the first half of the final season he had at Dortmund, then got back to his best. I can’t see that happening at United, but maybe it will…
Unfortunately if it is mental health related you don’t see changes overnight.
It will require some patience and ultimately close work with the manager and coaches.
Your post suggests he’s failed and the process is taking too long when actually we are still in the early stages of reintegrating him back in to the team physically and mentally.
For me providing the manager and staff feel he’s going in the right direction I’m happy to trust them and have some patience.
There are many on here who have written him off. I’m just about there personally. I liked him at Dortmund and was excited to see him in PL. But he’s just not shown any consistency. He’s been with you almost 2 years and has shown little improvement. ETH doesn’t have much choice but to persist with him due to his high wages, he’d be difficult to move on. I still hope he succeeds but there’s very little evidence to suggest he will.
I think football fans are impatient though. Rashford is a prime example of that.
Ten Hag has been here for 7 months now. By summer he’ll have formed opinions on players and had chance to fully assess what he has and what he needs. I trust him with making the right call with Sancho and have zero doubt he’s now in the right environment to thrive if that’s what he wants and is dedicated to do.
Rashford thought didn’t cost £70 odd mil. It will be interesting what ETH chooses to do, though as I said he’d be hard to move on due to high wages. You’ll not be able to recoup anywhere near what you paid. I agree though, ETH has definitely done everything he can to help him succeed, gave him a couple of months off and sent him to a secret training away from squad. It’s now up to Sancho.
He didn’t, but as an asset to the club he’s likely worth more than that? As is Greenwood but that’s another subject.
I’m sure Sancho will be given a bit more time to work with Ten Hag and I welcome that before any long term decisions are made on him. He’s still only 22.
First half was weird, especially the time he was put through (might need to see it again) but then he cut back and let the defence in. But then played a good ball forward which was cut back nicely for Rashford (who strangely left it)
He had a game winning couple of minutes though. I liked his composure in taking it past thekeeper and the sliding defender. I know people have been laughing at him for not finishing it, but it was on target and was saved by a hand, so theres that too.
His pass to Shaw was great and shows that we do need fullbacks to do that more often.
He had a game winning couple of minutes though. I liked his composure in taking it past thekeeper and the sliding defender. I know people have been laughing at him for not finishing it, but it was on target and was saved by a hand, so theres that too.
His pass to Shaw was great and shows that we do need fullbacks to do that more often.
Who cares what he cost? That's the past. He takes up a roster spot and is paid a certain percentage of the total salary. That's what matters. His transfer fee is the past. What's more important is what you could get for him and what could be bought on the market for that money. I've never understood the obsession with a player's transfer fee.
Rashford just happens to be a product of the youth system. Because he has no transfer fee attached to him do we have zero expectations of him?
He's earning over 300k per week and offers almost nothing to the team and some on here are pretending like it's no big deal. Let me repeat it again -> one of our highest earners is getting key player salary yet plays like someone who's still more suited as a backup player.
Do we think he’ll be sold in the summer?
What's this? Why are we not paying him full salary as per contract?
Isn't he on 300k or 350k pw. No chance he gets sold, unless he pushes for a move and takes a 100-150k salary.
I guess he’s going nowhere then
No I think he'll get one more season and had to prove he can do it next season.
We'll hopefully have a new centre forward that can link up with Sancho and become a deadly force.
One more season. If this time next year looks the same then its all over for him.
I've a feeling he might come good.
Of course his cost matters, as well as his salary. It is all part of how well (or poorly) a club is run. His huge wages are why you'll have trouble moving him on (if that's what ETH wants), and you'll have to take a significant loss with the transfer fee. So far, he has not turned out to be a good investment. That may change, but at the moment I think that's the reality. As GifLord says, you are paying star wages to a player whose output hasn't matched that, and has looked more like a squad player. He is your 2nd highest earner (after De Gea) yet he's not a guaranteed starter a lot of the time.
Do you realise that United have spent about £1 billion since SAF retired? The return on that has been 4 trophies - FA Cup, Carabao/League Cup x2, and EL. And perhaps only one serious title challenge during that time, and finishing outside top 4 half the time. Would you say that your ROI on £1 billion has been good? You spent £80mil on what's turned out to be a backup CB, is that not ridiculous?
I used to not get caught up in transfers and salaries too, but Arsenal have been in a similar position to you guys and we also had to overhaul our squad. We had to get rid of problematic stars (Ozil, Auba whose wages were similar to Sancho's) and had a disjointed squad before Arteta arrived. We were paying very high wages despite not being in Europe. We have since reformed our transfer policy and restructured our wage bill so hopefully don't get caught in those situations again. We also manage player contracts better by not letting them run down. Since Arteta arrived, I think he's been the highest spender in his 3 years, spending about £350mil. Though Chelsea's recent spree in Jan has probably changed that. But this investment (which continues) is necessary because we had a poor squad which was 8th when he arrived and not being in CL for many years has massively hurt our revenue. You can bet that with how hard Arteta has been backed, he will be expected to deliver trophies, title challenges and at the very least stay in CL for the next few years. Anything less would be a failure considering what he's spent.
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So Sancho is taking up Rashford place in LW?
Who knows.
Rashford's resurgence this season after a dodgy couple of years should surely highlight to fans that you shouldn't write off an extremely talented player in their early 20s.
To form a deadly force, he needs to take someone's spot.
We've already seen what Rashford could do in the EPL. We have yet to see what all the fuss about Sancho is. He plays like fecking Ali Dia at times.
Never said its an equivalence. Rashford never tore up the Bundesliga, either.
Doing well in Bundesliga doesn't mean you're good all of a sudden. Werner has never managed to score more than 12 goals in all comps for Chelsea yet is already at 13 for Leipzig this season.
That league is a joke when it comes to defending.
Surely though you can see the difference between giving an academy graduate more time/patience than someone you paid £70mil for? Add to that, Sancho earns £100k/week more than Rashford - what exactly has he shown to deserve that? I'm really not sure what the board was thinking, it seems Sancho's agent really charmed them.
Amazing how people just go with "Sancho earns 350k" when Athletic reported it's 250k.
I never said it was an equivalence. You mentioned something Sancho hadn't done, so I mentioned something Rashford hasn't done. It's more relevant to focus on the similarities.
Deserve? Patience? I'm talking about judgement.
There does seem to be some variations in what's reported, somewhere between 250-350k. What's the Athletic say Rashford earns? I couldn't find it.
I don't know and tbh individual player salaries reports are just pile of shit, pure agenda driven journalism. Just check total wages reported by UEFA or clubs FY report, that's the only thing that matters.
Ok, so what's your judgement about Sancho so far, considering what he cost and his wages? He's been here 2 years now and you'd think as an Englishman, wouldn't have needed the adjustment time that someone like Antony may need.
My judgement is that he's been a very poor investment so far. And IMO ETH has to be losing faith in him, though he'll never admit it (understandably) but will likely have to keep him on because of his high wages. If he can up his game a level or two and majorly contribute in the last couple of months of the season, that may change. I am actually rooting for him because he looked so good at Dortmund and once upon a time I even wanted him at Arsenal. But for some reason it just hasn't worked out, and I'm not sure why.
Some strange Arsenal bunch on caf 
Care to elaborate?Some strange Arsenal bunch on caf
I’m surprised you felt this was in any way insightful or adding to the discourse. Is there anyone who doesn’t know or believe this to be the case? Any club owned by the Glazers will struggle to be run properly unless there are mitigating factors (Sir Alex’s genius or a few sensible decisions when ETH came in). The cost of a player matters but you cannot change what happened 3 years back like you can’t change the last 20 years.
To be fair last summer we did excellent business. Eriksen would be contender for signing of the season if he hasn’t gotten injured. Casemiero has been transformative. Martinez should be POTY he’s been that good and Malacia is the perfect second LB to have. Antony is the only question mark which is due to his fee (he’s a good player who first and more foremost is tactically a good fit) but I’m hopefully he’ll at least be as strong contributor if not a world beater. Of course when you have Glazer men in charge there will be incompetence as seen with every signing being the managers but not great input form the club and everything dragging till the end leaving us having to be more desperate and overpay.
Either way, the Glazers will hopefully be gone soon and we’ll have a back room reset with more competence coming in and backing for the excellent manager we do have.
I don't see where we'll get anything like the Dortmund player out of Sancho. I really don't.
Sell him if possible and get in someone that can perform now. Sancho has had how many years at the club to perform anything like what he did at Dortmund and we're still waiting on that player to show up.
Sell him if possible and get in someone that can perform now. Sancho has had how many years at the club to perform anything like what he did at Dortmund and we're still waiting on that player to show up.
Common this is what happens when you try to explain football with a calculator.
He wasn’t as bad as I would have liked because some of his contributions were actually quite good but don’t try pulling the wool over us.
Obvious the stats are accurate but did make his performance outstanding as being tried to portray here.
Sancho really grinds my gears. He reminds me of Willian when he came to Arsenal. Was completely out of his depth for some reason.
im really surprised by the patience he’s given by a portion of the fan base, it seems like half has written him off.
if he plays like we all expected him to, he would elevate United substantially. Watching him lately however really makes my blood boil, not sure how you cope as Willian almost made me break my oled panel a few years back
im really surprised by the patience he’s given by a portion of the fan base, it seems like half has written him off.
if he plays like we all expected him to, he would elevate United substantially. Watching him lately however really makes my blood boil, not sure how you cope as Willian almost made me break my oled panel a few years back
What? Why would you want him to be bad?
I was responding to a poster who basically said transfer fees don't matter and they don't know why it's focused on so much. I was showing that transfer/contract strategy is directly related to how the club is managed overall. And of course a player's transfer cost and wages forms part of the context of how they're judged as a signing. Yes, you would have thought it pretty obvious, but apparently it wasn't to that poster.
My humour
Say we aren't oil-rich by the summer, and we only have enough money for a striker, keeper and midfielder. Would you be happy to offload him to raise funds for other signings?
Firstly, we would take a beating on the transfer fee we paid. Secondly, who would pay his reported salary? And finally, he has had 3 managers in his 20 months at United. It's a tad unfair to judge him at the moment.
Like the Arteta example, we have our very own Arteta in Rashford. Maybe Sancho will show his real impact once he has a system that suits him.
It's clear his ceiling is very high. The question is how do we get the best out of him?
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