[Fabio Rochemback]

It's not looking good, is it? You expect a lot more from an attacker than to be neat and tidy. I can't think of a single game for us where he's really stood out. I'm slower than most to write players off and even I think it's pretty unlikely that he's gonna turn this around.

 

[RVN1991]

How was he so good at Dortmund? Isn't fast, isn't really all that skillful, lacks intensity, I know he racked up a ton of assists in Germany but I don't really see a great passer either, baffled as to how this guy was rated so highly once upon a time.

 

[Ayoba]

Call me old fashioned but I love a speedy winger, think killy Gonzalez, young Ryan Giggs, lee Sharpe, kanchelskis etc. They excite the crowd a lot more and their direct approach causes havoc. Wingers these days are slower and love to cut in, we already have one in Antony. Surely there must be an old fashioned winger somewhere in Europe we can buy?

 

[UpWithRivers]

No one is waiting another 2-3 years to see the "real" Sancho. That's just lunacy.

He's 22, so? We paid £73m for him and currently ~£270k a week, assuming he got the 25% CL wage deduction.

Rashford is a youth product who showed in his breakout season he could score plenty of goals and contribute at this level. Garnacho is a youth product on a fraction of Sancho's wages. Pellestri cost £7m and is on a fraction of a fraction of Sancho's wages. Amad is already on the transfer list.

Sancho belongs in the same bracket as Maguire and McTominay. They've failed here and if any club comes along with a decent offer for them, they'll be sold. Because they're not good enough.

Rashford joined when he was really young so took what 15+ years to perform like he did this year. Maguire was 26/27 so was already given the opportunity to grow. McTominay joined United when he was also young and has been given 18 plus years or whatever the calculation is. So that leaves Sancho, Amad, Pellestri, Antony, Elanga, Garnacho - notice anything? Does the fee miraculously change this fact?

 

[RuudTom83]

Putting ability to one side, I've always doubted if Sancho has the character/personality to perform at a club like United.

You need to have a big personality to step out in front of 75.000 fans and be a match winner...I just haven't seen that in Jadon for United or England so far.

But he is only in year 2 of a possible 6 year deal (if United took up the optional +1 year)

 

[luke511]

Call me old fashioned but I love a speedy winger, think killy Gonzalez, young Ryan Giggs, lee Sharpe, kanchelskis etc. They excite the crowd a lot more and their direct approach causes havoc. Wingers these days are slower and love to cut in, we already have one in Antony. Surely there must be an old fashioned winger somewhere in Europe we can buy?

We have one in Pellestri.

 

[Frank White]

Rashford joined when he was really young so took what 15+ years to perform like he did this year. Maguire was 26/27 so was already given the opportunity to grow. McTominay joined United when he was also young and has been given 18 plus years or whatever the calculation is. So that leaves Sancho, Amad, Pellestri, Antony, Elanga, Garnacho - notice anything? Does the fee miraculously change this fact?

I'm confused as to what you're actually trying to say here?

 

[hobbers]

Rashford joined when he was really young so took what 15+ years to perform like he did this year. Maguire was 26/27 so was already given the opportunity to grow. McTominay joined United when he was also young and has been given 18 plus years or whatever the calculation is. So that leaves Sancho, Amad, Pellestri, Antony, Elanga, Garnacho - notice anything? Does the fee miraculously change this fact?

Sancho joined Watford's academy aged 7...? He's been in football for 15 years...? So what?

The fees and wages obviously change everything. Where the player started out at is irrelevant. They're at United now, the club either paid £70-80m for them, or they didn't. So Antony and Sancho are measured by completely different standards than the ones who cost us nothing or next to nothing.

They get less time. If they are not up to scratch for United they dont have the liberty of going out on loan to Sunderland or Deportivo Alaves or wherever like Amad and Pellestri. They either swim now or sink, and the club cuts its losses same as with Di Maria or Lukaku or any other big money flop.

 

[luke511]

He doesn’t seem to have the dog in him. There was a point a few games ago when he was getting subbed on and he didn’t seem warmed up at all, tucking his hands into his sleeves more bothered about the cold weather rather than hyping himself up, getting ready to take his chance. It’s a small detail but it just seems like the hunger isn’t there.

 

[Gavinb33]

Rashford joined when he was really young so took what 15+ years to perform like he did this year. Maguire was 26/27 so was already given the opportunity to grow. McTominay joined United when he was also young and has been given 18 plus years or whatever the calculation is. So that leaves Sancho, Amad, Pellestri, Antony, Elanga, Garnacho - notice anything? Does the fee miraculously change this fact?

Rashford showed more than Sancho has when he was 18 and just broke through, Rashford has had good seasons before this one in all 8 seasons since he broke through he has only failed to get double figures in goals in 2 of them with 3 out of 8 being 20+ just in goals let alone assists, with one of the seasons he didn't get double figures being only 18 games played and 8 goals scored, so it's not taken him 15 years to be productive for the team at all a young player who starts at 18 will always take time to get consistency, to put 20+ goals in some kind of comparison Rooney got 20+ goals in 4 of his seasons at United.

Sancho can only be Sancho but he has been a dreadful buy by United who doesn't look up to mustard and cutting our losses now might prevent a total loss in the next 3 years as I don't see he can turn it around for us by what he has shown so far.

And the argument he has been moved around doesn't cut it either he hasn't done enough in any of the positions he has played to get a consistent role in the team.

 

[Irwin99]

Maybe he just doesn't suit the Premiership (a bit like Veron many years ago). Wondering if he doesn't succeed here would he go back to Germany where he did so well.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Maybe he just doesn't suit the Premiership (a bit like Veron many years ago). Wondering if he doesn't succeed here would he go back to Germany where he did so well.

But who in Germany would pay his current Utd wages? I don’t think any team would. I think he’ll still come good eventually, just not sure how much time he’ll take (or whether he’ll be given that time).

 

[Ludens the Red]

But who in Germany would pay his current Utd wages? I don’t think any team would. I think he’ll still come good eventually, just not sure how much time he’ll take (or whether he’ll be given that time).

Dortmund would take him back in a heartbeat and could afford his wages. They’re paying Sule and Haller crazy money. The fee would probably be the biggest issue as I’m sure United would want to recoup some of the 70 plus mill fee.

 

[Irwin99]

But who in Germany would pay his current Utd wages? I don’t think any team would. I think he’ll still come good eventually, just not sure how much time he’ll take (or whether he’ll be given that time).

He'd have to take a pay cut if it happened, it's his career he should be looking at. Maybe Bayern would be interested? They've seen how good he can be.

I'm not writing him off yet it's just I can't see a level of determination and aggression to really impact games.

 

[BluesJr]

Call me old fashioned but I love a speedy winger, think killy Gonzalez, young Ryan Giggs, lee Sharpe, kanchelskis etc. They excite the crowd a lot more and their direct approach causes havoc. Wingers these days are slower and love to cut in, we already have one in Antony. Surely there must be an old fashioned winger somewhere in Europe we can buy?

Garnacho????

 

[Ayoba]

Garnacho????

I think you needed more question marks.


I meant as a replacement for Sancho.

 

[Sunny Jim]

I like him, hope he does well for us but if im frank im yet to see the improvment in his game after his „pre-season” in the Netherlands

 

[rooney2009]

Can someone please tell me what he is actually good at?
No speed,No aggression,No end product..Nothing

 

[Yorkeontop]

There's just a keen tangible that seems to be missing from his locker. I can't see how he'd excel in this league if it never shows up.

 

[izak]

What the feck is this?

That's how much he passes the eye test in my opinion.

 

[theballisround]

Think it's another Pogba situation. He needs a team built around him but doesn't have the individual quality to warrant that.
Hope he turns it around somehow, but that's a long shot.

 

[Marwood]

Think it's another Pogba situation. He needs a team built around him but doesn't have the individual quality to warrant that.
Hope he turns it around somehow, but that's a long shot.

I don't think he needs anything more than a good dollop of aggression and desire.

But you can't beat that into a player.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

He is world class in a certain style of play. Fast flowing football with team mate constantly running into position and link up well. In short, Dortmund's style.

Here, he is expected to hold the ball, dribble and find option to pass at much slower pace with almost very little one touch football and fluidity.

 

[GifLord]

Think it's another Pogba situation. He needs a team built around him but doesn't have the individual quality to warrant that.
Hope he turns it around somehow, but that's a long shot.

He's worse than Pogba. With Pogba you at least knew when he was class but with Sancho... I just don't see it.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

How was he so good at Dortmund? Isn't fast, isn't really all that skillful, lacks intensity, I know he racked up a ton of assists in Germany but I don't really see a great passer either, baffled as to how this guy was rated so highly once upon a time.

At Dortmund he was extremely skillful and could weave through tight spaces with ease. Aside from that he was a really high quality passer and link up player which resulted in the enormous assists.

He seems to have completely lost what made him an excellent player with the lack of physicality and intensity marring his all round game. For example, I never see him hold off challenges? As a wide player, to take players on means to get a yard of space and then ward off pressure though skill, upper body strength, low centre of gravity etc But Sancho, even when he has good games / cameos, just wants to avoid that at all costs.

Still hope that a few good games that revitalise him to becoming the old version of himself again. We’ve seen some good cameos but needs to show more.

 

[Vapor trail]

Would take Gnoto and Sinisterra over him. The only hope is if Sancho can adapt and become a 10 to play with Bruno which would help as he can offer years of service in that position.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

I don’t see a future for him at United. He came in with a lot of hype and pressure, but he’s been our version of Ryan Babel. It doesn’t look like fitness issues because he doesn’t start fast and then fade, he’s always faded. Sancho was touted as one of the best young players in the world, but I just don’t see it. Is it all psychological?

 

[johnnyteutonic]

Dortmund would take him back in a heartbeat and could afford his wages. They’re paying Sule and Haller crazy money. The fee would probably be the biggest issue as I’m sure United would want to recoup some of the 70 plus mill fee.

Will they though?
They have a similar player who also came from City's set-up called Jamie Bynoe-Gittens who I've watched at Dortmund quite a bit recently and he looks like more of a live-wire than Sancho.
He has more explosive pace.
I'm not saying they won't take him simply because they both came from City's set-up. I'm saying they've got a breakthrough player that plays in basically the same position and is cheaper than Sancho and is showing a lot of potential at the moment.
And whilst it's true they pay big wages to Sule and Haller, I don't think that means it's a guarantee they will find the room for him.
I guess we'd have to ask Dortmund fans if they need an extra wide forward though.

 

[Member 109952]

At Dortmund he was extremely skillful and could weave through tight spaces with ease. Aside from that he was a really high quality passer and link up player which resulted in the enormous assists.

He seems to have completely lost what made him an excellent player with the lack of physicality and intensity marring his all round game. For example, I never see him hold off challenges? As a wide player, to take players on means to get a yard of space and then ward off pressure though skill, upper body strength, low centre of gravity etc But Sancho, even when he has good games / cameos, just wants to avoid that at all costs.

Still hope that a few good games that revitalise him to becoming the old version of himself again. We’ve seen some good cameos but needs to show more.

It's a loss of form too but I think a lot of people understimate just how bad the opposition was in a lot of games when Sancho was at Dortmund. I watched highlights of pretty much every match (too much time), in his final season a large amount of his goals and assists were just in acres of space that you wouldn't even get in the french league. Dortmund that season scored something like double the average PL team does (like 90 goals in 34 games Vs 50 in 38 in the PL).

When I watched him in the CL, e.g. against PSG, he looked a lot more like the version we have. Struggled to beat players, couldn't run past people, that's when the alarm bells were ringing for me.

 

[Bondi77]

I don’t see a future for him at United. He came in with a lot of hype and pressure, but he’s been our version of Ryan Babel. It doesn’t look like fitness issues because he doesn’t start fast and then fade, he’s always faded. Sancho was touted as one of the best young players in the world, but I just don’t see it. Is it all psychological?

No, you seem okay.

 

[Tarrou]

I doubt he’s going anywhere anytime soon

his wages are huge for his performance level

he could go back to Dortmund if we pay like half and also give them a cut price transfer fee, but this seems very unlikely

 

[Bebestation]

Sancho had no dribbling skill in the Bundesliga-

The only thing he would do is beat the high defensive line/offside trap by a single direct take on or by receiving or creating a pass from/for his team mates from a one two that broke the high line that is played only in the Bundesliga.

Then all Sancho would have to do is play a cut back to a striker or take a shot on himself.

It was so obvious that he was going to struggle here compared to what he would always have to do in the Bundesliga.

 

[Pronewbie]

This is starting look like one where the Caf collective got it wrong. Then again we were also wrong about Rashford (by the end of last season I'd also lost hope defending him against the hoard). So who knows, hopefully Ten Hag will make the right call this summer.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Will they though?
They have a similar player who also came from City's set-up called Jamie Bynoe-Gittens who I've watched at Dortmund quite a bit recently and he looks like more of a live-wire than Sancho.
He has more explosive pace.
I'm not saying they won't take him simply because they both came from City's set-up. I'm saying they've got a breakthrough player that plays in basically the same position and is cheaper than Sancho and is showing a lot of potential at the moment.
And whilst it's true they pay big wages to Sule and Haller, I don't think that means it's a guarantee they will find the room for him.
I guess we'd have to ask Dortmund fans if they need an extra wide forward though.

I think they would. It wouldn’t be the first time either. Kagawa, Sahin, Gotze, Hummels.
At the minute they kind of just have pace merchants up front. Not a lot of guile and the Bundesliga hasn’t changed, it’s still a rock n roll kind of league so he won’t have the issues he has in the prem.

 

[Lay]

Terrible signing. He’s the wing version of Darmian.

 

[JuriM]

I don't understand what's wrong. He was so fabulous and exciting in Dortmund.

 

[giggs-beckham]

He doesn’t seem to have the dog in him. There was a point a few games ago when he was getting subbed on and he didn’t seem warmed up at all, tucking his hands into his sleeves more bothered about the cold weather rather than hyping himself up, getting ready to take his chance. It’s a small detail but it just seems like the hunger isn’t there.

I keep thinking is there a aggressiveness training thing he can go on. Screaming into a valley or boxing or something to put a bit of fire into the boy

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

I don't understand what's wrong. He was so fabulous and exciting in Dortmund.

The league, I think the German league isn't as fast of physical and it doesn't suit the smaller slower technical attackers, like Mata I think he would have looked better in BL, Serie A, La Liga etc

 

[Brophs]

It occurred to me at the weekend that with Rashford’s development, Garnacho’s arrival and the fact Antony has the shirt on the other side (without even considering what happens if he who shall not be named is reintegrated), Sancho will probably never again be an undisputed first choice for us. It feels like we’re already seeing that drift away starting to happen. £80m or whatever it was is pricey for a squad player.

 

[JuriM]

The league, I think the German league isn't as fast of physical and it doesn't suit the smaller slower technical attackers, like Mata I think he would have looked better in BL, Serie A, La Liga etc

I would even say that neither Havertz nor Son was as dominant in Bundesliga when they left for Premier League, as Sancho was and he was younger than them also.