Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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Stop arguing with each other this is exactly what they want us to do. Jan, berger, fabricated romano & the Bundesliga Solidarity Group (BSG).
 
dutchred said:
and that we are prepared to pay 90m+ for an attacker when we have other priorities.
Even without a right winger how many teams scored more goals than us lat season and how many conceded more than us?
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I can't tell you whether you need Sancho more than you need other reinforcements.

I can just tell you that I think 90+m is absolutely not too much for such a talent and that I for one would absolutely love it if my club were able to buy him.
 
If we walk away from Sancho Dormund will have a problem or vbe forced to sell Haaland to Chelsea
 
dutchred said:
let's not forget our last 2 brilliant buys from Dormund. Both world class players taking the Bindesliga apart
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Mkhitaryan was a 27yo who had had one great season out of three while in Germany (the other two being poor and decent). Kagawa was a 23yo who had two good seasons there, but neither was as good as Sancho's worst of the three full seasons. Kagawa's two seasons there had a goal or assist at every 151 minutes and 104 minutes. Sancho's three seasons have been every 89 minutes, 81 minutes and 82 minutes. All while being a few years younger and in probably a worse team.

Sancho has been taking the Bundesliga apart since he was 19. He is English, bought through the youth ranks in the English league, and has long been seen as the most talented player of arguably the best youth team England has ever had (ahead of the likes of Foden and CHO). There's obviously no such things as a guarantee, but he's obviously a completely different animal than Mkhitaryan and Kagawa.
 
giorno said:
Today i learned. Rush got an STD in Turin :lol:
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I've never heard that.

his time in Italy was always going to be hard. I've met Rush a few times and of all the players who could settle abroad, he'd be at the bottom of the list.

But man, his finishing for Liverpool was phenomenal (300+ goals!!!) and one of the first forward players I remember seriously hassling defenders... he was a pain
 
MadDogg said:
Mkhitaryan was a 27yo who had had one great season out of three while in Germany (the other two being poor and decent). Kagawa was a 23yo who had two good seasons there, but neither was as good as Sancho's worst of the three full seasons. Kagawa's two seasons there had a goal or assist at every 151 minutes and 104 minutes. Sancho's three seasons have been every 89 minutes, 81 minutes and 82 minutes. All while being a few years younger and in probably a worse team.

Sancho has been taking the Bundesliga apart since he was 19. He is English, bought through the youth ranks in the English league, and has long been seen as the most talented player of arguably the best youth team England has ever had (ahead of the likes of Foden and CHO). There's obviously no such things as a guarantee, but he's obviously a completely different animal than Mkhitaryan and Kagawa.
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Sancho has been a calamity for the entire season 2020-21...

He is a Havertz waiting to happen and we have no Tuchel to turn the frog into a princess...
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
I've never heard that.

his time in Italy was always going to be hard. I've met Rush a few times and of all the players who could settle abroad, he'd be at the bottom of the list.

But man, his finishing for Liverpool was phenomenal (300+ goals!!!) and one of the first forward players I remember seriously hassling defenders... he was a pain
MadDogg said:
Mkhitaryan was a 27yo who had had one great season out of three while in Germany (the other two being poor and decent). Kagawa was a 23yo who had two good seasons there, but neither was as good as Sancho's worst of the three full seasons. Kagawa's two seasons there had a goal or assist at every 151 minutes and 104 minutes. Sancho's three seasons have been every 89 minutes, 81 minutes and 82 minutes. All while being a few years younger and in probably a worse team.

Sancho has been taking the Bundesliga apart since he was 19. He is English, bought through the youth ranks in the English league, and has long been seen as the most talented player of arguably the best youth team England has ever had (ahead of the likes of Foden and CHO). There's obviously no such things as a guarantee, but he's obviously a completely different animal than Mkhitaryan and Kagawa.
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Sancho has been taking the Bundesliga apart since he was 19. He is English, bought through the youth ranks in the English league, and has long been seen as the most talented player of arguably the best youth team England has ever had (ahead of the likes of Foden and CHO).

So were
Ravel
Mads
and many others in their time
 
dutchred said:
Sancho has been taking the Bundesliga apart since he was 19. He is English, bought through the youth ranks in the English league, and has long been seen as the most talented player of arguably the best youth team England has ever had (ahead of the likes of Foden and CHO).

So were
Ravel
Mads
and many others in their time
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don't think you meant to quote me? :)
 
Hansi Fick said:
And a "Havertz waiting to happen" when Havertz scored the winner in the CL final :lol:
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Havertz had a poor season and Chelsea needed to hire Tuchel to bring him back to life. MUFC have no Tuchel available.
 
georgipep said:
So Real and Barcelona failing this season is proof that Messi, Kroos, Varane, Benzema, Modric are all pants, I guess. .
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Good response
But Barca had a new manager who was getting used to them
and the Real palyers you mentrioned are all approackhing the end of their carrers as is Zidanne as manager
 
hellhunter said:
16 goals, 20 assists in 38 matches a calamity?
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8 goals and 11 assists in 24 Bundesliga games is Kagawa-esque, nothing more nothing less.

Remember what MUFC did to RB Leipzig in the Champions League. An open bar defensively. The Premier League is a different kettle of fish.
 
Nani Nana said:
8 goals and 11 assists in 24 Bundesliga games is Kagawa-esque, nothing more nothing less.

Remember what MUFC did to RB Leipzig in the Champions League. An open bar defensively. The Premier League is a different kettle of fish.
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As demonstrated by RB Leipzig in the return match. PL defensive masterclass that was.
 
Nani Nana said:
Havertz had a poor season and Chelsea needed to hire Tuchel to bring him back to life. MUFC have no Tuchel available.
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I mean, yes, he was ill with Covid but I don't think the clinical course was quite that serious
 
dutchred said:
Good response
But Barca had a new manager who was getting used to them
and the Real palyers you mentrioned are all approackhing the end of their carrers as is Zidanne as manager
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And Dortmund have Bayern in the BL and did fairly well in the CL despite only having 4-5 players that would make it in their rivals squads. Reminder also that Bellingham is incredibly young.
 
Nani Nana said:
Sancho has been a calamity for the entire season 2020-21...

He is a Havertz waiting to happen and we have no Tuchel to turn the frog into a princess...
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Calamity? He had a rough first couple of months (the first rough period he's had in his time there - incredible consistency for a player so young), after that he was back to normal.

dutchred said:
Sancho has been taking the Bundesliga apart since he was 19. He is English, bought through the youth ranks in the English league, and has long been seen as the most talented player of arguably the best youth team England has ever had (ahead of the likes of Foden and CHO).

So were
Ravel
Mads
and many others in their time
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Ravel and Mads were taking apart the Bundesliga, putting up stats that pretty much nobody in Europe other than Messi himself could beat?
 
Hansi Fick said:
I mean, yes, he was ill with Covid but I don't think the clinical course was quite that serious
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One goal in one Champions League game does not save the waste of money he has been this season. Like yesterday with Germany, his goal hid an average performance.

I hope he turns good but this season he was below par.
 
georgipep said:
And Dortmund have Bayern in the BL and did fairly well in the CL despite only having 4-5 players that would make it in their rivals squads. Reminder also that Bellingham is incredibly young.
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We have City, liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester in the PL and Mason is still young
 
Nani Nana said:
Havertz had a poor season and Chelsea needed to hire Tuchel to bring him back to life. MUFC have no Tuchel available.
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What a weird logic.
Tuchel is the only manager able to make Havetz play up to standard? What are you getting at?

Sancho will probably not put up his BL numbers in the EPL, but I'd be shocked of he won't be a successful signing.
 
Nani Nana said:
One goal in one Champions League game does not save the waste of money he has been this season. Like yesterday with Germany, his goal hid an average performance.

I hope he turns good but this season he was below par.
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In general, it should be rather common sensical that the purchase of a talented, highly expensive youngster isn't made or broken in their first season
 
Hansi Fick said:
In general, it should be rather common sensical that the purchase of a talented, highly expensive youngster isn't made or broken in their first season
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Fair enough, let us see what he does next season then
 
Nani Nana said:
8 goals and 11 assists in 24 Bundesliga games is Kagawa-esque, nothing more nothing less.

Remember what MUFC did to RB Leipzig in the Champions League. An open bar defensively. The Premier League is a different kettle of fish.
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Wait, are you saying 19 goal contributions in 24 games is bad???
 
Nick7 said:
Wait, are you saying 19 goal contributions in 24 games is bad???
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These are Kagawa and Mkhitaryan numbers, nothing to write home about from an MUFC standpoint.

Depends on the price, €60m is yes, €120m is no
 
Nani Nana said:
These are Kagawa and Mkhitaryan numbers, nothing to write home about from an MUFC standpoint.
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With the difference that Mkhi and Kagawa reached those sort of numbers in their best seasons in their prime, while for Sancho it represents his worst season at 20, with two strong seasons with better numbers before still as a teenager.

But hey: all three played for Dortmund. And in Bundesliga. So I think you're onto something.
 
RuudTom83 said:
We've not got Sancho yet...if United/Glazers refuse to pay the extra 10 million then I'd be scratching my head why the club spent millions on Amad.

Great planning is for example...Cavani with Greenwood as his understudy is great and I love that!

Sancho (21) with Amad (18) as his understudy is a bit more tricky, especially IF it costs another 90 million on top of the 20-30 million spent last summer.

You can't see any logic in where I'm coming from?

Great if the transfer budget is limitless! and the current team is functioning, but we all know that both of those are not true. I can't see the Glazers giving funds to fix the CB and MF on top of the transfer for Sancho. It comes down to what you want more, another young talent untested in the Prem for 100 million or spend big on other areas and maybe buy an older experience player that can share the game time with Amad for 18 months on the RW.

Both players are super talented, I'm not arguing that. I'm just annoyed the club seems to be getting the run around in the market again.
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I don’t see the logic in complaining that we could have our 3 forward positions covered by the super talents of Sancho, Amad & Greenwood. With the great talent and more experienced head of Rashford in there.
If in 2 years our forward options are an Amad who’s filled his potential, a Sancho who’s filled his potential, a Greenwood who’s filled his potential and an even more improved Rashford, we’d be in an incredible position.
Add one more player to that for a depth of 5 and wow.

But if you wanna find the negative in having too many great talents on your books, do carry on pal, each to their own.
 
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