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Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
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tbf, you could say that on any Sunday.
The day has started out small can it end as a big day? This is the important question.
They put down a deadline for a bid, we missed it. No idea what the problem is. Is it so hard to understand that Dortmund doesn't want to sell him and we have to go above and beyond to make them consider a deal? It's the same with Rice. West Ham doesn't want to sell. So the only way to get him is by paying way over the odds. I'm not sure who such a large portion of our fans think these clubs have to just bend over for us and take whatever we offer them and when we do it.
I'm quite frankly start seeing why people think we are arrogant twats if this is the general mind set of our fans. On the one hand being against the super league that would eliminate smaller clubs from competing with the big ones and on the other hand demanding the smaller clubs bow their head and just gift us their best players is kinda not really coming together in my head.
If you ask me any of these clubs has every right to get the best deal they possibly can. If we can't or don't want to afford it we don't get the player and that's fine with me. If we think the price is to high, wait another season and see if the price has gotten lower, or well look for a player that is more within our budget.
I really don't understand why people get pissed off at Dormtund for sticking to their price.
Its nonsensical to begrudge them for it. They set a value and seem happy to keep him if it's not met.
He is their player so it's that simple.
They know his contract is running down and clearly they have worked out a value where below that amount they think it's more beneficial to keep him.
Its nonsensical to begrudge them for it. They set a value and seem happy to keep him if it's not met.
He is their player so it's that simple.
They know his contract is running down and clearly they have worked out a value where below that amount they think it's more beneficial to keep him.
Because the deadline wasnt adjusted for the pandemic and the longer period of football. It was a promise kept to Sancho in bad faith.
That's their problem and clearly they don't think that would happen.
Also I really doubt Sancho would only be willing to join us. At lower fees there wil be much more clubs in for him.
If Sancho would only join us then We'd have leverage but there was reports recently from his side that before Covid he was considering going to Spain.
There is a calculated risk for Dormtund in this. One they seem willing to stand firm on. Tbh good for them not getting bullied by us
But there is calculated risk for us too. No guarantee of another free run at him etc.
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the ‘deadline’ was BS, and the vast majority of people can see that. If United has fronted up the fee they wanted at any time, until probably the last week - the transfer would have happened.
I do agree, that any club has a right to ask for whatever fee they want. Again basics. Most people would agree.
let’s also be frank, and not equate a few irate fans with the club being arrogant. Again, most people understand the situation - it really is very straight forward.
this summer I think the deal will get done - but it will be after the Euros. As will be the vast majority of all transfer business.
See you all in a thousand pages
Yes, I agree pretty much.
Sales will only happen where supply and demand allow. The selling club sets a price below which it will not supply. The buying club sets a price above which it will not demand. If the “supply” price is higher than the “demandprice, there’s no sale, simple.
Players are unique commodities but their price is influenced by the price and availability of alternatives. If Grealish was available for £70m then no way anyone pays £80m for Sancho.
As buyers, we have no power to shift the sellers’ minimum supply price. We just have to find that player who is available for a figure less than our maximum “demand” price.
No wonder it is hard to get these deals done.
Yes, but all I'm saying is, it's gonna be a big day tomorrow
Good to know, thanks.
I don't think the deadline was BS at all. If it was a 'bluff' Dortmund would have communicated it differently. But maybe it's a lost in translation thing and you didn't get the correct or full quotes.
I also agree that the deal will get done this summer.
Of course it is difficult, especially in today's market where money is a bit tight due to the pandemic but prizes are largely still at pre-pandemic levels, it might take a while for prices to actually adapt to that. So yeah it's not an enviable situation we are in right now, we need to strengthen to put up a title challenge but it's not a buyers market right now.
No the next Sancho thousand pager is gonna be in here: https://www.redcafe.net/forums/player-performances-forum.73/See you all in a thousand pages
Didn't they have operating losses of over 75m Euros last season? Swear I read that.
This should be such a simple transfer, but I really believe it's now come down to personality and PR, rather than sense. Negotiations are by definition a compromise between two positions. BVB is not treating this like negotiations, rather like a sale in a store: this is the price, why are you asking me to accept anything else?
Which is kind of cute, but it's not how football transfers work, and everyone knows this.
The BVB stance is simple, disciplined and perhaps most strikingly: strategically using the press. Sancho is 120m. We are BVB, you are United, we will not negotatie with rich clubs. Then you get ESPN doing a feature article on how tough BVB are, and how smart BVB are, and how dumb the Glazers are (that last bit is true).
Someone mentioned the Dembele transfer as a measuring stick. So, how did that go exactly? Is there a person alive who thinks that 140m for Dembele was money well spent by the now in crippling debt Barcelona? I mean, aside from Zorc et al?
Anyway, my point is simply that this should be negotiation, not demands. If I were United I would absolutely wait til Sancho and his camp are done sitting on the bench at the Euros, and say listen, we'll pay the largest fee post-Covid for you, so go help get those guys at the table if you want to come.
I find this weird as well, along with people holding up how they held their ground and let Lewandowski go on a free, as if that was a good decision as well.
Do you think that a deal wouldn’t have been done a week later or a day later If United had offered what they wanted?
it’s brinkmanship.
Dortmund know they will sell Sancho at some point, and it was part of their strategy to get the fee they wanted for him.
Don't believe it's about PR. They don't want to sell but have to sell at a given price. It's like a lite version of a buyout clause.
And it doesn't matter how the Dembele transfer turned out. This is supply and demand - if Sancho is too expensive, you can get a cheaper alternative. But clubs are demanding €100m for Coman and Grealish, too. So Sancho as the better option is actually the cheapest and the only reason for that is that Dortmund can not set the price freely but feel obliged to the promises they made their player. You wouldn't sell Greenwood for €90m either if he wanted to leave.
From Dortmund's perspective, €95m for Sancho is a bargain. That's also what a few sources reported - the BVB believe you don't rate the player as highly as they do. For them, he's a €120+m player with a price tag of around €95m.
By the way, Sancho's camp has agreed with the €95m evaluation this year and with the €120m evaluation last year. They themselves think it is a very fair price.
At worst we still have Greenwood, and in a year time, who knows Diallo may as well be ready. We don't have to let Dortmund get what they want, we also have the leverage. 85m is a good return of money for a player they got for almost free from City Academy.
Sure it is but you could easily argue he is worth more tbh.
At the end of the day he has been our managers top target for two seasons.
Not sure thats worth fecking up another summer over 10 million.
Come back with that line once Rice, or Grealish, or hell ANYONE has gone for the prices being talked about in the press.
A good's valuation is only settled when the money gets spent. I agree if Kinglsey Coman went for 100m than the Sancho price looks great. If Kinglsey Coman goes for 100m, I will personally fly to wherever you are on Earth (covid permitting) and eat a humble pie.
It's all press malarkey. Clubs have had almost two years of no fans. Anyone pretending that it has no impact on the finances of clubs is either a supporter of Chelsea, PSG or City (where it's true) or living in an alternate reality.
Sancho's camp agreed did they? Did we hear that from Mr. Zorc himself? Let us see how Sancho's camp feels in a few months, when he's facing another year of not getting the move he wants.
The Glazers don’t give a shit about what we want, they just tried to murder a 150 year old sport with an immensely rich culture and history, the very culture that built clubs like the one they own and is the foundation for every fan’s love for the sport.
We can not, nor will we, ever forget.
Brinkmanship with almost no gain and huge costs is stupid though isn't it? Unless you think the CEO of Dortmund wants to be seen as a complete clown and liar by his own fans and the press as well.
Seen as a clown? feck me, Daniel Levy was hailed every Summer as an absolute genius after declaring "x player won't leave" only to maximise the transfer fee.
If Dortmund's CEO had squeezed 120m out of Sancho, he'd have rightfully been hailed for playing a blinder. In fact, just as he was when he squeezed a quite frankly outrageous sum of money out of Barcelona, https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2017/06/22/594bdc97e2704e057e8b456d.html
If United planned to go after Sancho again this summer then why spend a penny on Amad, the scouts and transfer planning is as bad as ever.
Because he's a ridiculous talent and his current cost is pennies in Premier League terms, just 20m€.
What a daft post.
We don’t base our whole business model on buying cheap and then selling for profit. Your point is not valid.
Read this over. How are Dortmund being spoiled brats. He’s their player. They are not obligated to sell him. If they get to keep him I imagine they would be happier than whatever transfer fee they could get. They are also not under any obligation to negotiate a lower price for us. Since last year they have been adamant that their stance is pay what we want or SanchOFF. From a Dortmund POV they’ve acted in the best interest of their club. The failings in this deal are strictly from our end.
If they aren’t negotiating, either we pay what they want or we move on. Sancho isn’t the only right winger in world football. Spending two years on this, trying to negotiate when a negotiation doesn’t seem forthcoming is not Dortmund’s fault.
Because it's a squad game and signing a raw kid doesn't mean you shouldn't sign one of the most creative players in the big leagues over the last two years.
Aye signing young talented players for the future like Amad isn’t what we should be doing. One good player per position, no more than that, can’t be greedy.
Wait people are pissed at Dortmund because they wont buldge and have fixed price for their player, dunno whats the issue, from their PoV, this is the price, pay it or feck off, kinda simple and clean.Yes but he didn't just say "won't leave" he went the extra mile and was talking about where he comes from, people keep their word etc.. You can't then just walk that back a week later and say "sorry guys, where I come from we don't keep our word after all lolz". I understand that people in that position can't always tell the complete truth but you wouldn't intentional mislead your own fans like that.
Dembele is a different situation because in the end he forced his way out. And again there is a difference between the standard "won't sell" and what Dortmund's CEO did.
Of course you can, happens in big business all the time.
He has a long history of not keeping his word, and if you think he’d have turned down 120m to save face, you’re naive as can be.
You’re thinking the consensus would be ”feck but you said”, when in fact it’d be ”fecking genius, 120m for Sancho”.
Spending millions on an 18 year old one summer (Amad) and then perusing a 21 year old in the next summer (Sancho) when you have a 19 year old already playing in their position (Greenwood) seems like terrible planning to me.
FYI never once did i say Amad was a bad player.
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If you are referring to the Super League, the current iteration of the Champions League is barely much better. The World Cup being held in Qatar is one step closer to murdering the foundation for every fans love for the sport.
The game is on its way to being murdered slowly anyway unfortunately.
This will get done, no doubt about that, people need to calm down... Dortmund want to come out with it looking like they got their exact price, which is fair from their part as they own the player who has been pretty much a world class player for multiple years despite only being 21. It's like if you had the young Neymar. Would you sell for cheaper than you think you can or should get? Of course not. Even with 1 year left you could probably get 60m+.
The whole deadline thing isn't an issue either. Someone who you've based your game around, you want that sorted out early so you have time to replace them and train a way to play without them. That's why we sold Ronaldo in June. If it went til August, Sir Alex would've said feck off you're staying. Same case here.
The whole deadline thing isn't an issue either. Someone who you've based your game around, you want that sorted out early so you have time to replace them and train a way to play without them. That's why we sold Ronaldo in June. If it went til August, Sir Alex would've said feck off you're staying. Same case here.
You’ve got a bizarre way of looking at things.
3 top young talents, two can play on both sides, one can play through the middle.
2 are first team ready, one is probably a year or two off.
That’s the opposite of bad planning. If the 3 of them continue developing and improving we could be lining up with:
Amad. Sancho
Greenwood
Greenwood
In a couple of seasons, with Greenwood having 2-3 full seasons under his belt, and Sancho being a “seasoned pro” having 4-5 full seasons.
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