Playing for Brentford and United are two different stories. I think him scoring 20 goals would be realistic in United.
Ivan Toney Pt.2 | Signs for Al Ahli
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We still don't have many forward options, reliable ones anyway.
i wouldn’t be disappointed if we got him for 25m either, but I can’t see it. Anything under 40 and Brentford would probably rather keep him for the last year of his deal.
We don't need him. We have Højlund and Zirkzee. At the absolute maximum, we would need some old poacher to play second fiddle to Højlund, whilst Zirkzee offers us something different. Toney lacks the maturity and humility to play such a limited role.
We have 2 strikers, 2 left wingers and 3 right wingers. 7 players for 3 positions.
As i said; Toney would be amazing signing but with Zirkzee now, that ship has sailed.
Yeah. I guess you could argue for depth/variety sake it would be good to have a more seasoned striker but I expect we'll be filling that gap (if at all) with a loan of some old head again.
Depends massively on price but I’d be excited to get him here. About as premier league-proven as we could realistically get
He is better than Hojlund. He would be massive upgrade. But yeah, price is biggest issue here. 30-40 mil seems ok, 50-60 mil is over the top.
Non-penalty goals per 90 in their PL seasons:
Toney:
0.22
0.43
0.25
Hojlund:
0.42
And lest you think Hojlund benefitted from playing for a better attacking team, our xG last season was on par with Brentford's last two seasons. 56.5 versus 58.2 & 56.3.
Far from Toney being some PL-proven guarantee of goals that Hojlund isn't, Hojlund almost exactly matched Toney's best rate of returns in the PL in his very first attempt.
With Hojlund being being more likely to improve at 21 than Toney at 28, there's quite a strong chance that Hojund is simply a better goalscorer than Toney from here forward.
Penalties and minutes seriously warp some people's perception of his goal threat. If you're looking to add a more reliable source of goals, Toney simply isn't the guy.
Toney:
0.22
0.43
0.25
Hojlund:
0.42
And lest you think Hojlund benefitted from playing for a better attacking team, our xG last season was on par with Brentford's last two seasons. 56.5 versus 58.2 & 56.3.
Far from Toney being some PL-proven guarantee of goals that Hojlund isn't, Hojlund almost exactly matched Toney's best rate of returns in the PL in his very first attempt.
With Hojlund being being more likely to improve at 21 than Toney at 28, there's quite a strong chance that Hojund is simply a better goalscorer than Toney from here forward.
Penalties and minutes seriously warp some people's perception of his goal threat. If you're looking to add a more reliable source of goals, Toney simply isn't the guy.
Out of contract next summer, so be amazed if it was above £40mil
You seem to think Toney's some kind of elite striker. How would he be a massive upgrade? Do you mean in terms of his general play?
Didn't realise he was 28 already. Bit of a nothing player no?
Pfft how many goals has you scored by 28?
I think that the media is coming to grabs with parallel negotiations. That means clubs pursuing 3 deals at ones in the same position only to drop two once one is signed.
If we got him. Højlund would not play much for United.. To think Højlund is better than Toney is just stupid
Neither of those players has proven they can score 20 goals a season, having another option won't hurt. We don't score that many goals and that won't change with Zirkzee.
I was talking about reliable options.
Rashford - Unreliable
Garnacho - Reliable
Hojlund - Jury is still out
Sancho - Unreliable
Amad - Jury is still out
Antony - Unreliable
Zirkzee - Not played a game
Pellestri - Unreliable
1 of our forwards can be counted on. You say we have so many options but you see them written down it's a depressing sight for a team with any ambitions.
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Neither has Toney, without his pens
Toney is a 10-15 goals a season striker, it would be utterly pointless to spend 40-50m on him when we have a very similar player in Höjlund and he is still young with lots of room to improve.
We aren’t mucking about!
What’s the source though? Has any tier 1 journos reported it yet?
Toney doesn't score 20 a season. Ivan Toney is a completely mythical player in the eyes of so many.
Did I say Højlund was better? We have spent a fortune on him though, so he is very much in our plans. Signing Toney is idiotic. We have already signed Zirkzee.
I think Mctominay will be leaving - he basically spent the latter half of last season as a shadow striker alongside Hojlund or Bruno and I think Zirkzee is his replacement meaning we can bring in Toney as the Martial replacement. Sell Casemiro and Eriksen then add two deeper midfielders.
Signing a better player than both isn't idiotic.
I don't think this is on.
The delusion around Toney's ability is frightening. Not to mention his poor professionalism and mentality.
That's just your opinion. Doesn't mean it's true. Others don't rate Toney as much as you seem to do.
Delusion is thinking Hojlund and Zirkzee are better.
True, the guy who reported it is brilliant for German news and clubs but unsure about elsewhere. See what happens.
For Brentford that is pretty good. We need another striker and Toney is a menace for opposition defenders.
Yes actually. Both Whitwell and Ducker have mentioned Toney
You think Toney is prime Benzema. I very much do not. We simply don't need his average ability and shite personality infecting the squad.
Whitwell and Ducker both said we wanted an additional striker to Zirkzee if we could raise the funds a few days back and mentioned Toney.
I think it depends on the post/poster - glass half full or half empty viewpoint. Some will go “I like xxxxx, hope he kicks on” and some ”I’ve watched xxxxx for a few games, he’s not good enough, let’s spend another £50m” (that we haven’t got).
For example, I’ve seen posters backing Sancho
I'd sign him definitely, we have to be ruthless in this window after the season we just had. SAF had four strikers competing with each other at the height of our success.
Not really. Brentford create a lot more chances than United, so if you look at it that way, it is more likely he would score fewer goals for us than he does for Brentford. And let's not forget the added pressure of playing for United over Brentford and playing with inside forwards who would rather cut in to score themselves than provide for Højlund/Toney.
3 different types of strikers wouldn’t be a bad thing, no?
Only concern is whether he can manage being a bench player.
Only concern is whether he can manage being a bench player.
Don’t get my hopes up!!!
Course I do. You think Hojlund is prime R9 too.
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