If we will use a 1 striker formation next season I just don't see the point of spending 40-50m on a position where we already have a similar player regarding both quality and playing style .For Brentford that is pretty good. We need another striker and Toney is a menace for opposition defenders.
Delusion is thinking Hojlund and Zirkzee are better.
For Brentford that is pretty good. We need another striker and Toney is a menace for opposition defenders.
Non-penalty goals per 90 in their PL seasons:
Toney:
0.22
0.43
0.25
Hojlund:
0.42
And lest you think Hojlund benefitted from playing for a better attacking team, our xG last season was on par with Brentford's last two seasons. 56.5 versus 58.2 & 56.3.
Far from Toney being some PL-proven guarantee of goals that Hojlund isn't, Hojlund almost exactly matched Toney's best rate of returns in the PL in his very first attempt.
With Hojlund being being more likely to improve at 21 than Toney at 28, there's quite a strong chance that Hojund is simply a better goalscorer than Toney from here forward.
Penalties and minutes seriously warp some people's perception of his goal threat. If you're looking to add a more reliable source of goals, Toney simply isn't the guy.
That was when we were playing with 2 strikers regularly. Why do we want 3 when we play a system with 1 striker? 2 is more than adequate.I'd sign him definitely, we have to be ruthless in this window after the season we just had. SAF had four strikers competing with each other at the height of our success.
No. I think we already had one striker (Højlund) and have since added another (Zirkzee). That is sufficient. If for some reason we really needed another one, it would certainly not be a player like Toney who lacks the maturity, professionalism or humility to be part of a rotational collection of strikers.Course I do. You think Hojlund is prime R9 too.
Signing 2 strikers when Wingers and Midfield lacking would be wild.
I would not say elite (because only Kane and Haaland are elite strikers) but yeah, i do think that he would be massive upgrade. In terms of general play and in terms of number of goals.You seem to think Toney's some kind of elite striker. How would he be a massive upgrade? Do you mean in terms of his general play?
Neither of those players has proven they can score 20 goals a season, having another option won't hurt. We don't score that many goals and that won't change with Zirkzee.
That was when we were playing with 2 strikers regularly. Why do we want 3 when we play a system with 1 striker? 2 is more than adequate.
Yea, I don't think he's going to switch to a 2 striker system. It's pretty much outdated at this point and I don't think I've even seen relegation teams try 2 striker system. Also, it would mean complete upheaval of our midfielders/wingers and I don't see that happening.We don't know what the system is going to be next season, ETH obviously has to alter it and there's new coaches there too.
That was when we were playing with 2 strikers regularly. Why do we want 3 when we play a system with 1 striker? 2 is more than adequate.
Signing 2 strikers when Wingers and Midfield lacking would be wild.
Yea, I don't think he's going to switch to a 2 striker system. It's pretty much outdated at this point and I don't think I've even seen relegation teams try 2 striker system. Also, it would mean complete upheaval of our midfielders/wingers and I don't see that happening.
We can't keep 3 strikers for 1 position for the event when one gets injured. We have brought back Sancho into the mix which means if injuries come up Rashford can move up top. If we manage to sell both Sancho and Greenwood, I'd expect us to strengthen the wide positions with players who can also play up top rather than sign a striker who can only play 1 position.Surely it is not more than adequate? Hojlund picks up a knee injury, out for five months. Then it has to be young Zirkzee who plays 35 matches in a row with no back-up #9. How's that going to work out?
Wouldn't be long before we're back with Bruno false 9 or Rashford who really isn't good playing centrally, until the winter break where we can bring in Weghorst again to fix the gap.
Whether Toney is the right man is another question, but we need some serious options up front, everybody remembers what happened last year with the injuries.
Surely it is not more than adequate? Hojlund picks up a knee injury, out for five months. Then it has to be young Zirkzee who plays 35 matches in a row with no back-up #9. How's that going to work out?
Wouldn't be long before we're back with Bruno false 9 or Rashford who really isn't good playing centrally, until the winter break where we can bring in Weghorst again to fix the gap.
Whether Toney is the right man is another question, but we need some serious options up front, everybody remembers what happened last year with the injuries.
I think Real were forced to use that system rather than it being their preference. I don't think they'll play the same way now they've got Mbappe. Also, whenever I watched them in the CL, Vinicius and Rodrygo were pretty wide and then cutting in. Not sure if I'd call that a 2 striker system.Even Real Madrid play 4-4-2 and 4-2-2-2 frequently, especially last season. And it wouldn't necessarily mean a drastic change for us, assuming we get in the players we're linked with.
----------------- Onana
Dalot -- De Ligt -- Martinez -- Shaw
-----------------Ugarte --- Mainoo
--------Bruno --------------- Garnacho
------------- Højlund-----Zirkzee
I don't see it happening personally, but it wouldn't necessarily be the worst idea given the wingers we have at our disposal. It wouldn't make sense if we bought Nico Williams, Kvaratskhelia, Pedro Neto or wingers like that, but Rashford, Sancho and Antony don't offer much, any way.
Surely it is not more than adequate? Hojlund picks up a knee injury, out for five months. Then it has to be young Zirkzee who plays 35 matches in a row with no back-up #9. How's that going to work out?
Wouldn't be long before we're back with Bruno false 9 or Rashford who really isn't good playing centrally, until the winter break where we can bring in Weghorst again to fix the gap.
Whether Toney is the right man is another question, but we need some serious options up front, everybody remembers what happened last year with the injuries.
How many years do you need to watch a player before you recognise what he could offer? I think he's performed at a good level for a long enough period in the PL, personally.That's not what I am saying. I'm not saying we should consider Watkins to but, I'm speaking about the light they're spoken about. Toney is another player whose reputation has skyrocketed with only a short spell in the top division, whilst Watkins is often forgotten in conversations whilst he's done a lot more. I don't know what Toney has done to prove he'd be a good option for a top club as there isn't enough to judge by imo.
Hojlund is the future of the club at no9. Having an experienced striker to learn from is something Utd have been looking at. Toney would be a short/medium term solution.If we got him. Højlund would not play much for United.. To think Højlund is better than Toney is just stupid
How is having two unproven strikers sufficient? I think some of you have lowered the bar so much with us you've forgotten what a title threatening squad looks like.No. I think we already had one striker (Højlund) and have since added another (Zirkzee). That is sufficient. If for some reason we really needed another one, it would certainly not be a player like Toney who lacks the maturity, professionalism or humility to be part of a rotational collection of strikers.
We need 3 strikers to compete across 4 different competitions. Going deep into the Europa league puts a strain on your squad and both Zirkzee and Hoijlund are quite young. You don't want to burn them out with too much football.Yea, I don't think he's going to switch to a 2 striker system. It's pretty much outdated at this point and I don't think I've even seen relegation teams try 2 striker system. Also, it would mean complete upheaval of our midfielders/wingers and I don't see that happening.
How is having two unproven strikers sufficient? I think some of you have lowered the bar so much with us you've forgotten what a title threatening squad looks like.
We get it, you've met Toney and know what his character is. Don't have to keep repeating it.
I think it could be a good thing. Means he’s got plenty of miles left in the tank, and he doesn’t rely on pace. He could be playing at his current level for the next 5-6 years.Didn't realise he was 28 already. Bit of a nothing player no?
Frank (Brentford manager) just quoted as saying he's worth £80mil plus regardless of his contract expiring.Pure rumor unless we hear from Romano or Ornstein .
We are not going to 3 at the back or two up front. We need depth for a long season. When have Utd ever played 3 at the back? ETH has very little trust from the fans, suicidal to play 3 at the back and lose some games and have the fanbase baying for blood.Seen some talk on twitter from opinion accounts that suggest going big into the defender/striker market sounds like we're going for 3 at the back and two up front. I dont know how that would even work. Garnacho as a wingback? Where's Bruno going?
Pure rumor unless we hear from Romano or Ornstein .
How is having two unproven strikers sufficient? I think some of you have lowered the bar so much with us you've forgotten what a title threatening squad looks like.
We get it, you've met Toney and know what his character is. Don't have to keep repeating it.
I think it could be a good thing. Means he’s got plenty of miles left in the tank, and he doesn’t rely on pace. He could be playing at his current level for the next 5-6 years.
Yep, different level of options completely.Totally agree on this, and they be the first come crying when we finish 8th again. Its really crasy to think that we gone from Yorke, Cole, Sherringham and Solskajaer via Rooney, Ronaldo, and Tevez and now fans believe Højlund and Zirkzee is good enough,, I am lost for words
For 40-50m would be an excellent signingKnow I'm in the minority for wanting him but hope he comes here and proves everyone wrong
He’s an absolute menace, and would walk in to our starting 11.Mid table PL striker will fit an 8th place team.
As a squad option, probably, but not at the quoted price.
How is having two unproven strikers sufficient? I think some of you have lowered the bar so much with us you've forgotten what a title threatening squad looks like.
We get it, you've met Toney and know what his character is. Don't have to keep repeating it.
Know I'm in the minority for wanting him but hope he comes here and proves everyone wrong
