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That's for players who scored more than 10 league goals, not many wingers did that, so it's not a proper stat.

Wingers who scored more than 10 goals:
Insigne, Salah, Callejon, Piatti, Pedro Leon, Carrasco, Robben, Hazard, Son, Coutinho, Walcott. (might have missed few and all these players are not strictly wingers)

Saying his work rate is the only thing he is good at is wrong, completely wrong.

He isn't a 50 Million player for sure but he is lot better than some think here.
He has moved from Dortmund to Wolfsburg to Inter, each subsequent club being lower than the previous.

So pray tell, what are his best points that the other top clubs have been missing out on in the past 8 seasons he has been playing in a top 5 league?
 
I can give you some names: James, Ozil, Forsberg, Lemar, Brandt, Isigne

All better options than 50m Perisic
Since you've taken the time to make a list of names, I'm going to address each of them in turn.

James: Personally, I think he's a wonderful player, and the closest thing to a world-class, X factor type player on the market this summer. On the face of it, he's absolutely better value than Perisic. But things are a little more complicated than that. Reading between the lines (as many others have done), I've come to the conclusion Perisic has been targeted because of specific attributes he brings: pace, width, defensive diligence, and a compensation for the defensive deficiencies of Martial and Pogba. So lets see if James provides those qualities:
Pace? Not really. He's not exactly slow but he's hardly your ideal counter-attacking winger.
Width? Certainly not. At best, you put him out wide and you get an inverted winger, basically what we already have in Mata or Mikhi (though admittedly more talented).
Defensive diligence? Ask Zinedine Zidane.
Balance? Depends on where you put him, but as a wide player, certainly not. Again, ask Zidane.
So really, James doesn't provide any of the things Perisic has (most likely) been identified for. Of course, if you're talking about James being signed alongside Perisic, that's a different matter entirely...

Ozil: You're kidding me right? Same age as Perisic, shrinks in big games, stats barely improve on Perisic, and in truth probably past his best. We could also go through the same exercise we did with James to see if he provides any of the same attributes, but I think you know where that would lead.

Forsberg: I'll admit, I don't know much about him, although I've heard him talked about with some admiration. For all I know, he may provide the same qualities Perisic does, and at a better level. However, I'm not sure he provides the star quality, world class ability that I was referring to in my previous post.

Lemar: Pretty sure Monaco won't sell, particularly having lost Silva. Is he a top player? Definitely. Does he have the kind of quality we need? Sure. If we can get him, I'd love him here. Honestly I'd be surprised if we haven't made an inquiry. But I seem to remember Monaco putting out a pretty strong statement that he was staying, and if that's what the player wants, then it's out of our hands.

Brandt: Similar situation to Forsberg. Only difference is that he's much younger and more of a prospect, which I'm not sure is something we can indulge more of when we're already trying to patiently develop Rahsford, Martial and Shaw. But again, I don't know much about him, he could be a real talent.

Insinge: I could mumble something about Italian players not tending to do well in the premier league, and although I do believe that argument has merit I'm sure you could counter that we have two Serie A exports in our team who are doing rather well for themselves. That said, I really like Insinge, he's a player I've always been a big fan of. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to signing him. And he's had a great season. Why haven't we been linked with him? I can only think of two reasons. Either Mourinho doesn't think he'd fit in here, or the player is happy at Napoli. Either way, we have to live with it. Our money and our club aura ultimately only get us so far.

Ultimately, there are a couple of players here that I fancy, a couple of others not so much. What I do believe is that Perisic was identified as a target not because he was the best player available, but because he has specific qualities that will bring out the best in others, and our team as a whole. There are worse reasons to sign a player.
 
Perisic tells Inter boss he wants United move

Reports in Italy are suggesting that Ivan Perisic has agreed a move to Old Trafford.

Corriere dello Sport report that personal terms have been agreed which would see the midfielder double his earnings to earn £100,000 a week.

The report also states that the Croatian winger has told manager Spalletti he wants to go to Old Trafford.

Only a disagreement over the fee is holding up the deal.
 
Hopefully we can wait it out till the end of the month and they haven't sold anyone else by then. 30m euros it is
 
He has moved from Dortmund to Wolfsburg to Inter, each subsequent club being lower than the previous.

So pray tell, what are his best points that the other top clubs have been missing out on in the past 8 seasons he has been playing in a top 5 league?

Oh please not this shit again. You made same points and I replied using many examples.
 
Since you've taken the time to make a list of names, I'm going to address each of them in turn.

James: Personally, I think he's a wonderful player, and the closest thing to a world-class, X factor type player on the market this summer. On the face of it, he's absolutely better value than Perisic. But things are a little more complicated than that. Reading between the lines (as many others have done), I've come to the conclusion Perisic has been targeted because of specific attributes he brings: pace, width, defensive diligence, and a compensation for the defensive deficiencies of Martial and Pogba. So lets see if James provides those qualities:
Pace? Not really. He's not exactly slow but he's hardly your ideal counter-attacking winger.
Width? Certainly not. At best, you put him out wide and you get an inverted winger, basically what we already have in Mata or Mikhi (though admittedly more talented).
Defensive diligence? Ask Zinedine Zidane.
Balance? Depends on where you put him, but as a wide player, certainly not. Again, ask Zidane.
So really, James doesn't provide any of the things Perisic has (most likely) been identified for. Of course, if you're talking about James being signed alongside Perisic, that's a different matter entirely...

Ozil: You're kidding me right? Same age as Perisic, shrinks in big games, stats barely improve on Perisic, and in truth probably past his best. We could also go through the same exercise we did with James to see if he provides any of the same attributes, but I think you know where that would lead.

Forsberg: I'll admit, I don't know much about him, although I've heard him talked about with some admiration. For all I know, he may provide the same qualities Perisic does, and at a better level. However, I'm not sure he provides the star quality, world class ability that I was referring to in my previous post.

Lemar: Pretty sure Monaco won't sell, particularly having lost Silva. Is he a top player? Definitely. Does he have the kind of quality we need? Sure. If we can get him, I'd love him here. Honestly I'd be surprised if we haven't made an inquiry. But I seem to remember Monaco putting out a pretty strong statement that he was staying, and if that's what the player wants, then it's out of our hands.

Brandt: Similar situation to Forsberg. Only difference is that he's much younger and more of a prospect, which I'm not sure is something we can indulge more of when we're already trying to patiently develop Rahsford, Martial and Shaw. But again, I don't know much about him, he could be a real talent.

Insinge: I could mumble something about Italian players not tending to do well in the premier league, and although I do believe that argument has merit I'm sure you could counter that we have two Serie A exports in our team who are doing rather well for themselves. That said, I really like Insinge, he's a player I've always been a big fan of. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to signing him. And he's had a great season. Why haven't we been linked with him? I can only think of two reasons. Either Mourinho doesn't think he'd fit in here, or the player is happy at Napoli. Either way, we have to live with it. Our money and our club aura ultimately only get us so far.

Ultimately, there are a couple of players here that I fancy, a couple of others not so much. What I do believe is that Perisic was identified as a target not because he was the best player available, but because he has specific qualities that will bring out the best in others, and our team as a whole. There are worse reasons to sign a player.

Good post. Agree with James points. I'm really hoping we can pull of a deal for him. Him and Persic are not alternates in my mind either!
 
Since you've taken the time to make a list of names, I'm going to address each of them in turn.

James: Personally, I think he's a wonderful player, and the closest thing to a world-class, X factor type player on the market this summer. On the face of it, he's absolutely better value than Perisic. But things are a little more complicated than that. Reading between the lines (as many others have done), I've come to the conclusion Perisic has been targeted because of specific attributes he brings: pace, width, defensive diligence, and a compensation for the defensive deficiencies of Martial and Pogba. So lets see if James provides those qualities:
Pace? Not really. He's not exactly slow but he's hardly your ideal counter-attacking winger.
Width? Certainly not. At best, you put him out wide and you get an inverted winger, basically what we already have in Mata or Mikhi (though admittedly more talented).
Defensive diligence? Ask Zinedine Zidane.
Balance? Depends on where you put him, but as a wide player, certainly not. Again, ask Zidane.
So really, James doesn't provide any of the things Perisic has (most likely) been identified for. Of course, if you're talking about James being signed alongside Perisic, that's a different matter entirely...

Ozil: You're kidding me right? Same age as Perisic, shrinks in big games, stats barely improve on Perisic, and in truth probably past his best. We could also go through the same exercise we did with James to see if he provides any of the same attributes, but I think you know where that would lead.

Forsberg: I'll admit, I don't know much about him, although I've heard him talked about with some admiration. For all I know, he may provide the same qualities Perisic does, and at a better level. However, I'm not sure he provides the star quality, world class ability that I was referring to in my previous post.

Lemar: Pretty sure Monaco won't sell, particularly having lost Silva. Is he a top player? Definitely. Does he have the kind of quality we need? Sure. If we can get him, I'd love him here. Honestly I'd be surprised if we haven't made an inquiry. But I seem to remember Monaco putting out a pretty strong statement that he was staying, and if that's what the player wants, then it's out of our hands.

Brandt: Similar situation to Forsberg. Only difference is that he's much younger and more of a prospect, which I'm not sure is something we can indulge more of when we're already trying to patiently develop Rahsford, Martial and Shaw. But again, I don't know much about him, he could be a real talent.

Insinge: I could mumble something about Italian players not tending to do well in the premier league, and although I do believe that argument has merit I'm sure you could counter that we have two Serie A exports in our team who are doing rather well for themselves. That said, I really like Insinge, he's a player I've always been a big fan of. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to signing him. And he's had a great season. Why haven't we been linked with him? I can only think of two reasons. Either Mourinho doesn't think he'd fit in here, or the player is happy at Napoli. Either way, we have to live with it. Our money and our club aura ultimately only get us so far.

Ultimately, there are a couple of players here that I fancy, a couple of others not so much. What I do believe is that Perisic was identified as a target not because he was the best player available, but because he has specific qualities that will bring out the best in others, and our team as a whole. There are worse reasons to sign a player.
The flaw with your analysis is that you have assumed that Perisic is the exact type of player we want and then used that to evaluate all other options. Unfortunately, there is nothing from Mourinho recently or in his past tenures to suggest he desires a player like Perisic. All the talk of pace, width, and defensive diligence were simply concocted by fans to explain our supposed interest or buttress their own imagination of what the team needs.

What we do know, and have evidence for, is that Mourino desires attacking midfielders that can contribute goals from midfield and that he loves Rashford. Also, he has expressed in the past that Mata is not his ideal choice for a #10.

Given that the two wide positions are occupied by Rashford (who Mou loves and is thus unlikely to bench) and Mkhi (who has contributed his fair share of goals and recently joined), it is unlikely that Perisic or any other new player is meant to replace either player in the starting lineup.

The likely role to be filled by a new player is the #10 where Rooney is no longer an option and Mata is less desirable. In which case James would be the ideal choice with Ozil being second (Mourinho liked him at Madrid and will likely be cheaper). Forsberg and Lemar can also play the #10 role.

The interest in Perisic is likely a last option in which Mkhi is moved to the #10 and Perisic plays as the RM/RWF. He is 2-footed enough to play on either side. So yes, Perisic could be one of our backup options but doubt he is a 50m interest

Now, even if we ignore my analysis above, there is no way in hell we would be paying 50m for a player of Perisic's quality and age, who was bought for 19m two years ago and Inter is a club that needs to sell him to raise the 30m they need by June 30. Why would we need to bid more than 30m, when as June 30 looms, inter will be faced with more pressure to accept our bid. This is why I call BS on all the rumors of our interest in the player and reported fees, as those rumors only benefit Inter and take us for morons.
 
Oh please not this shit again. You made same points and I replied using many examples.
and I rebutted those examples as they were not comparable.

What I have asked is that you name the exceptional qualities he has that makes him a better player than the average player some of us think he is.

The fact that his career seems more on a downward trajectory is secondary, and only reflects that other top clubs are yet to recognize and/or appreciate these said qualities
 
and I rebutted those examples as they were not comparable.

What I have asked is that you name the exceptional qualities he has that makes him a better player than the average player some of us think he is.

The fact that his career seems more on a downward trajectory is secondary, and only reflects that other top clubs are yet to recognize and/or appreciate these said qualities

He's just average. And his attitude is questionable.
 
The flaw with your analysis is that you have assumed that Perisic is the exact type of player we want and then used that to evaluate all other options. Unfortunately, there is nothing from Mourinho recently or in his past tenures to suggest he desires a player like Perisic. All the talk of pace, width, and defensive diligence were simply concocted by fans to explain our supposed interest or buttress their own imagination of what the team needs.

What we do know, and have evidence for, is that Mourino desires attacking midfielders that can contribute goals from midfield and that he loves Rashford. Also, he has expressed in the past that Mata is not his ideal choice for a #10.

Given that the two wide positions are occupied by Rashford (who Mou loves and is thus unlikely to bench) and Mkhi (who has contributed his fair share of goals and recently joined), it is unlikely that Perisic or any other new player is meant to replace either player in the starting lineup.

The likely role to be filled by a new player is the #10 where Rooney is no longer an option and Mata is less desirable. In which case James would be the ideal choice with Ozil being second (Mourinho liked him at Madrid and will likely be cheaper). Forsberg and Lemar can also play the #10 role.

The interest in Perisic is likely a last option in which Mkhi is moved to the #10 and Perisic plays as the RM/RWF. He is 2-footed enough to play on either side. So yes, Perisic could be one of our backup options but doubt he is a 50m interest

Now, even if we ignore my analysis above, there is no way in hell we would be paying 50m for a player of Perisic's quality and age, who was bought for 19m two years ago and Inter is a club that needs to sell him to raise the 30m they need by June 30. Why would we need to bid more than 30m, when as June 30 looms, inter will be faced with more pressure to accept our bid. This is why I call BS on all the rumors of our interest in the player and reported fees, as those rumors only benefit Inter and take us for morons.
Also the fact that Di Marzio, who has certainly been the most credible when it comes to transfer rumors in the last year or so has not mentioned anything about our interest in Perisic, despite being based in Italy.
 
I think the only way this makes sense is if he's gonna be LB/LWB. We have enough options on the left already to go paying 50m for another player who isn't as good as 22 year old Martial.

Could Jose be going for a 3 at the back with Perisic and Valencia as the wing backs? Make's more sense when you take into account that Bailey and Lindelof are fast, good with the ball at their feet and good passers.
 
The flaw with your analysis is that you have assumed that Perisic is the exact type of player we want and then used that to evaluate all other options. Unfortunately, there is nothing from Mourinho recently or in his past tenures to suggest he desires a player like Perisic. All the talk of pace, width, and defensive diligence were simply concocted by fans to explain our supposed interest or buttress their own imagination of what the team needs.

What we do know, and have evidence for, is that Mourino desires attacking midfielders that can contribute goals from midfield and that he loves Rashford. Also, he has expressed in the past that Mata is not his ideal choice for a #10.

Given that the two wide positions are occupied by Rashford (who Mou loves and is thus unlikely to bench) and Mkhi (who has contributed his fair share of goals and recently joined), it is unlikely that Perisic or any other new player is meant to replace either player in the starting lineup.

The likely role to be filled by a new player is the #10 where Rooney is no longer an option and Mata is less desirable. In which case James would be the ideal choice with Ozil being second (Mourinho liked him at Madrid and will likely be cheaper). Forsberg and Lemar can also play the #10 role.

The interest in Perisic is likely a last option in which Mkhi is moved to the #10 and Perisic plays as the RM/RWF. He is 2-footed enough to play on either side. So yes, Perisic could be one of our backup options but doubt he is a 50m interest

Now, even if we ignore my analysis above, there is no way in hell we would be paying 50m for a player of Perisic's quality and age, who was bought for 19m two years ago and Inter is a club that needs to sell him to raise the 30m they need by June 30. Why would we need to bid more than 30m, when as June 30 looms, inter will be faced with more pressure to accept our bid. This is why I call BS on all the rumors of our interest in the player and reported fees, as those rumors only benefit Inter and take us for morons.
Do you deny that Perisic provides any or all of pace, width, or defensive diligence? I think it's a bit harsh to say we've 'concoted' those attributes as reasons for signing him; fans like myself have examined his strengths and weaknesses carefully and used that to make an educated guess about why Jose would be interested. I suppose I can understand you dismissing the idea that Perisic is a 'Mourinho player' (although I think he is) but I don't feel you have given sufficient regard for the fact that Mourinho certainly does sign players, or use players, to get the best out of others. I honestly believe a big part of our Perisic interest is to reduce the defensive demands on Pogba, similar to the way Matic was signed in part to reduce Hazard's defensive workload, or the various adjustments Mourinho made at Madrid so not to worry about Ronaldo not tracking back. Mourinho is a pragmatist first remember. The system has always come before the individual for him.

All that aside though, I'm sorry to say I feel your post smacks of serious denial. We were linked to Perisic as early as March/April, and have been consistently linked with him over the others you've mentioned throughout the window, and yet you seem to think the links are either bullshit or that he's not our first choice. If you feel there are better players out there that we should be signing for the same price, I'd understand that (although frankly, banging on about value for money in the craziness of the modern market is really a bit arbitrary, especially for a club of our financial muscle). If you're arguing that Perisic wouldn't start every game and would be a tactical option, I'd straight out agree with you. However, if you're insisting that Perisic is not a player Mourinho really wants, and we're not prepared to pay (maybe not 50m, but something close to it), then I'd say you've gone full :wenger: my friend.

Also, Ozil? You're really still defending the suggestion we sign Ozil?
 

He could have been more, but he's somehow suffering from the Pizarro syndrom, contantly thinking he's already further up the food chain and more advanced in his development than he actually is. It took Pizarro 6 wasted years at Bayern and 2 horrible years at Chelsea to realise it, suddenly starting to play for his teams and learning some humbleness. Sadly, he was already 31 at that point.
 
and I rebutted those examples as they were not comparable.

What I have asked is that you name the exceptional qualities he has that makes him a better player than the average player some of us think he is.

The fact that his career seems more on a downward trajectory is secondary, and only reflects that other top clubs are yet to recognize and/or appreciate these said qualities

You didn't debunk, you just gave excuses.

He doesn't have exceptional attributes but he has good qualities. He is good dribbler, has superb pace, most important is he is proper 2 footed player.

If you are going to repeat the same things again and again then don't quote me. If I want I'll read pervious posts only.
 
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That's for players who scored more than 10 league goals, not many wingers did that, so it's not a proper stat.

Wingers who scored more than 10 goals:
Insigne, Salah, Callejon, Piatti, Pedro Leon, Carrasco, Robben, Hazard, Son, Coutinho, Walcott. (might have missed few and all these players are not strictly wingers)

Saying his work rate is the only thing he is good at is wrong, completely wrong.

He isn't a 50 Million player for sure but he is lot better than some think here.
Fair enough, I thought it was for all players. 10% conversion is pretty bad though for someone we expect to help improve our goalscoring problems.

Him being better than a group of redcafe posters think, is again not a good reason to sign him.
 
Do you deny that Perisic provides any or all of pace, width, or defensive diligence? I think it's a bit harsh to say we've 'concoted' those attributes as reasons for signing him; fans like myself have examined his strengths and weaknesses carefully and used that to make an educated guess about why Jose would be interested. I suppose I can understand you dismissing the idea that Perisic is a 'Mourinho player' (although I think he is) but I don't feel you have given sufficient regard for the fact that Mourinho certainly does sign players, or use players, to get the best out of others. I honestly believe a big part of our Perisic interest is to reduce the defensive demands on Pogba, similar to the way Matic was signed in part to reduce Hazard's defensive workload, or the various adjustments Mourinho made at Madrid so not to worry about Ronaldo not tracking back. Mourinho is a pragmatist first remember. The system has always come before the individual for him.
Seems you missed my earlier point, as your post simply proves my point

Yes Perisic has those attributes, but that does not mean we are looking for a player with those attributes. What I accused people of doing is assuming we are genuinely interested in Perisic and then using qualities that Perisic has to justify his signing and belittle other potential targets. That is like working backwards from the answer to the question.

There is nothing from Mourinho or the club to suggest we need or are looking for a player like Perisic.
All that aside though, I'm sorry to say I feel your post smacks of serious denial. We were linked to Perisic as early as March/April, and have been consistently linked with him over the others you've mentioned throughout the window, and yet you seem to think the links are either bullshit or that he's not our first choice. If you feel there are better players out there that we should be signing for the same price, I'd understand that (although frankly, banging on about value for money in the craziness of the modern market is really a bit arbitrary, especially for a club of our financial muscle). If you're arguing that Perisic wouldn't start every game and would be a tactical option, I'd straight out agree with you. However, if you're insisting that Perisic is not a player Mourinho really wants, and we're not prepared to pay (maybe not 50m, but something close to it), then I'd say you've gone full :wenger: my friend.
This is the transfer window and rumors of almost done deals will abound. I am not one to believe all said rumors, particularly when they make less sense. I am a firm proponent of occam's razor

Also, Ozil? You're really still defending the suggestion we sign Ozil?
Yes, cos we dont have anybody as good as he is for the #10 spot. He is the type of player that can unlock a parked bus.

Mourinho bought him at 21 for Madrid and liked him enough to have played him almost every game for 3 seasons. I doubt he would turn down the opportunity to have him in place of Rooney. Ozil's performances at Arsenal is mainly a reflection of Wenger and the mediocrity of the team and can be contrasted with his performance at Madrid under Mourinho. Put Ozil under Mourinho, Conte or Pep and he would be a different player than you see under Wenger.

Of course if there is a better and/or younger alternative, that is even better, but currently cant think of many better than him in the market.
 
You didn't debunk, you just gave excuses.

He doesn't have exceptional attributes but he has good qualities. He is good dribbler, has superb pace, most important is he is proper 2 footed player.

If you are going to repeat the same things again and again then don't quote me. If I want I'll read pervious posts only.
Simply equates to an average player!
 
No answer needed. Even if no better players were available, that's not a very good reason to spend 40-50m on Perisic. Those advocating for his signing haven't exactly put forward a very strong case either. A 28 y/o who has never excelled at any of his clubs, had one of the worst conversion rates among players in the top 5 leagues last season and the best things people can say about him is that he's a hard worker, two footed with decent pace. This just doesn't sound like a 40-50m player to me, and it certainly doesn't sound like the attacking player we need.

If we had a stronger attack, and we were looking to sign Perisic for a reasonable fee to add depth and tactical flexibility, people would be a lot more positive about this. For 40-50m as our signature attacking signing, it's easy to see why they're not.

That's ducking the question of other attainable players isn't it?
 
Seems you missed my earlier point, as your post simply proves my point

Yes Perisic has those attributes, but that does not mean we are looking for a player with those attributes. What I accused people of doing is assuming we are genuinely interested in Perisic and then using qualities that Perisic has to justify his signing and belittle other potential targets. That is like working backwards from the answer to the question.

There is nothing from Mourinho or the club to suggest we need or are looking for a player like Perisic.
This is the transfer window and rumors of almost done deals will abound. I am not one to believe all said rumors, particularly when they make less sense. I am a firm proponent of occam's razor

Yes, cos we dont have anybody as good as he is for the #10 spot. He is the type of player that can unlock a parked bus.

Mourinho bought him at 21 for Madrid and liked him enough to have played him almost every game for 3 seasons. I doubt he would turn down the opportunity to have him in place of Rooney. Ozil's performances at Arsenal is mainly a reflection of Wenger and the mediocrity of the team and can be contrasted with his performance at Madrid under Mourinho. Put Ozil under Mourinho, Conte or Pep and he would be a different player than you see under Wenger.

Of course if there is a better and/or younger alternative, that is even better, but currently cant think of many better than him in the market.
It probably doesn't really matter, but given the fact that we have been linked to Perisic, surely the burden of proof is on you to determine that we are not in the market for a player with Perisic's attributes. I'll be the first to admit that the link I and others have made between Perisic and the things we need has always been an assumed one, an 'educated guess' as I said before. It's a fairly simple process; we're linked to a player, fans ask why, so they examine the player, assess what our squad lacks currently, and then make a judgement about why we might be in the market for said player. It's a bit odd to reject that fairly common manner of reasoning on the basis that "there is nothing Mourinho or the club has said in the media to indicate we are interested in this type of player". It's not like the club comes out at the start of every window and goes "alright folks listen up, we're in for a CB because Smalling and Jones aren't all that, we need a CM because Carrick's getting on a bit, we need another winger because our current wingers aren't doing their defensive jobs and we need a forward because we didn't score enough last season". All those are (obviously simplistic) assumptions made by fans based on the players we've been linked to and the current deficiencies in our squad.

The same thing goes for the transfer rumours; not only has Perisic been linked to us by multiple sources, but Mourinho has been reported to have travelled to watch Perisic during the season. Together they make a pretty compelling case, and once again, I'd argue the burden of proof is on you to determine we're not interested in him.

I really don't have anything else to say about Ozil other than I straight up do not rate him. I think he is a mentally weak character who is nowhere near the player he was when Mourinho signed him at Madrid. And even then, I doubt Wenger would sell to us.
 
Pehhhh-ruhhhh-sich, sich, sich
Our new winger, life's a bitch
Perisic, sich, sich
Someone get him off the pitch
50 mil, what the fuck
Inter can't believe their luck
Come on Ed, knock us dead
See you in the Sanchez thread.
You're the transfer window MVP year in year out.
 
It probably doesn't really matter, but given the fact that we have been linked to Perisic, surely the burden of proof is on you to determine that we are not in the market for a player with Perisic's attributes. I'll be the first to admit that the link I and others have made between Perisic and the things we need has always been an assumed one, an 'educated guess' as I said before. It's a fairly simple process; we're linked to a player, fans ask why, so they examine the player, assess what our squad lacks currently, and then make a judgement about why we might be in the market for said player. It's a bit odd to reject that fairly common manner of reasoning on the basis that "there is nothing Mourinho or the club has said in the media to indicate we are interested in this type of player". It's not like the club comes out at the start of every window and goes "alright folks listen up, we're in for a CB because Smalling and Jones aren't all that, we need a CM because Carrick's getting on a bit, we need another winger because our current wingers aren't doing their defensive jobs and we need a forward because we didn't score enough last season". All those are (obviously simplistic) assumptions made by fans based on the players we've been linked to and the current deficiencies in our squad.
The logical process would be similar to this
- Zlatan is injured and out of contract, so we are looking at a #9 like Morata or Belotti
- Rojo is injured, and Mourinho has complained about not having Smalling and Jones available, so we are signing a CB
- Carrick is old and has only 1yr extension, so we are looking for a DM like Fabinho
- Rooney is old, Mata is questionable and Mourino wants more goals from midfield, so we are looking at a goal scoring #10
- Shaw is questionable and Darmian playing on wrong foot, so we are looking at LB

I cannot come up with a similar logic for Perisic as there is nothing to suggest Mourinho is unhappy with our current wide players
The same thing goes for the transfer rumours; not only has Perisic been linked to us by multiple sources, but Mourinho has been reported to have travelled to watch Perisic during the season. Together they make a pretty compelling case, and once again, I'd argue the burden of proof is on you to determine we're not interested in him.
Mourinho was supposedly in Croatia to meet with Mijatovic to discuss Brozovic and Perisic, Going to Zagreb to watch Perisic is weird cos Perisic was not going to play as he was suspended. Interest in Brozovic I felt was more plausible. The initial link of Perisic to United, I think was from Simic and others have simply fueled it since then. Prior it was arsenal and Chelsea that were rumored to be interested.

Like I said before, I wont be surprised if he is an option, but dont think he is a 50m option which essentially makes him a prime target. It just doesnt make sense for us to be struggling to close a deal with a club that needs to raise 30m by the end of the month. Assuming the rumors are true, we are the only club that seems to be interested in buying any of Inter's players so why would they risk us walking away. Again the rumors dont make sense and thus are likely false
I really don't have anything else to say about Ozil other than I straight up do not rate him. I think he is a mentally weak character who is nowhere near the player he was when Mourinho signed him at Madrid. And even then, I doubt Wenger would sell to us.
Having watched him for most of his career, since his days at Bremen. I strongly disagree.
 
YouTube knows all....not all that impressed by his highlights. 50 mil for this guy is bang out of order.

Dont be so stupid, ive watched him regularly for 2 seasons, 1 at his Dortmund where he was poor and his current season at Inter.

He is very good, has changed his game well. He's tall, not slow, 2 footed, skillful, good dribbler, can actually finish outside the box and isnt afraid of creating something out of nothing.

I hope we spend £60 million just to wind the fans up, hes worth every penny and since its not my money i dont care how much we get him for. If we're not in for Dembele then just get this guy, hes much better than Young, Valencia and tbh hes better than Martial for me this season. I was more impressed by Perisic this season than Martial
 
That's ducking the question of other attainable players isn't it?
No, what I'm saying is that even if there are no better attainable players, that's not a good enough reason to sign him. I realize there aren't a ton of options out there for what we really need, and I don't really watch enough football outside of the PL to make any reasoned arguments for different players, but just signing him to sign someone, and for fecking 50m to boot, just seems insane.
 
Dont be so stupid, ive watched him regularly for 2 seasons, 1 at his Dortmund where he was poor and his current season at Inter.
I hope we spend £60 million just to wind the fans up, hes worth every penny and since its not my money i dont care how much we get him for. If we're not in for Dembele then just get this guy, hes much better than Young, Valencia and tbh hes better than Martial for me this season. I was more impressed by Perisic this season than Martial
Don't bother. People had already made up their mind that Perisic is shit and nothing you say will change their thoughts. The guy has 11 goals and 8 assists and yet more than half of the posters here are moaning about his lack of end product.

Some of these posters have even admitted that they had never watched him before, but do not want him because OMG HE IS 28/29/30/31 (they more they hate the player, the older he suddenly gets) AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM HE MUZ BE BAD RELLI BAD PLAYA.
 
His performance thread is going to be really a funny read through the season I reckon.
 
I cannot come up with a similar logic for Perisic as there is nothing to suggest Mourinho is unhappy with our current wide players

I'm pretty sure Mourinho has criticised these players on a few occasions, saying that our creative players needed to do more? Nothing much has changed since then. Also the fact that we have rotated these positions so heavily through-out the season, would suggest that none of them have impressed to the point that they have made the position their own.

Tactically I think a lot of fans and pundits have identified the need for width in the team. Someone who can stretch the opposition, not just so they can get in behind themselves, but so that they can create more space for our central players to play in. We started last season in 4-2-3-1 with a #10 so having wingers who can defend, makes it easier to play this formation.

Adding a player with the skill set of Perisic makes as much sense to me as any other position/type of player. Whether he has the quality to succeed nobody can know until it actually happens. Maybe our priorities have/should have changed after the Griezmann situation, as I am sure we had him earmarked for that second striker position.
 
No, what I'm saying is that even if there are no better attainable players, that's not a good enough reason to sign him. I realize there aren't a ton of options out there for what we really need, and I don't really watch enough football outside of the PL to make any reasoned arguments for different players, but just signing him to sign someone, and for fecking 50m to boot, just seems insane.

That would be insane. But signing him because he's the best that is realistically available and that Mourinho believes he can add something to our team, isn't.
 
Has there ever been a player other than Fellaini (from Everton) that has garnered a fair loads of negative opinions among the United fans whom the club is supposedly interested in buying?
 
Has there ever been a player other than Fellaini that has garnered a fair loads of negative opinions among the United fans when the club is supposedly interested in buying?
The main reason many are opposed to signing him is the fact we are about to spend 50m+ on him. He hasnt had that type of year to be spending a boat load of money. If he was to cost us 20m I dont think we would be having this conversation. I think Martial will improve over the break and will be our #1 winger on the left side. So essentially spending 50m on a player to add depth to our squad isnt the best option.
 
Has there ever been a player other than Fellaini (from Everton) that has garnered a fair loads of negative opinions among the United fans whom the club is supposedly interested in buying?

Carrick was pretty negative. Michael Owen. When we were very first linked to Hargreaves, the summer before we purchased him there was a lot of whining.
 
Has there ever been a player other than Fellaini (from Everton) that has garnered a fair loads of negative opinions among the United fans whom the club is supposedly interested in buying?
The muppets are usually negative over signings unless they are big names or FM wonder kids. There were many negative opinions on Carrick before he signed, even Valencia to an extent, and most recently after our interest in Dier.
 
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