Ivan Perisic

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An Irish Red said:
We have a poor attack by our standards, with none of our wide men performing at an acceptable level and no real talisman to be found anywhere up front, and people want that to change.

It won't if one of our two attacking signings is Perisic.
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Ok. So who do you suggest we should sign then? And why is not Perisic good enough for you?

Mourinho is well known for very detailed scouting and qualities he wants from the players he buys. Its incredible that so many of our supporters seem to have better knowledge about this transfer then Mourinho.
 
I think in this summer, if we keep our heads right and back off from these overpriced deals and still get some decent targets in, it would help us in the long run. Whatever player we are in for, they start with 50m euros etc etc whereas clubs bayern, chelsea sign players for appropriate prices.

Clubs are looking to fleece every penny out of us even for average players.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I think in this summer, if we keep our heads right and back off from these overpriced deals and still get some decent targets in, it would help us in the long run. Whatever player we are in for, they start with 50m euros etc etc whereas clubs bayern, chelsea sign players for appropriate prices.

Clubs are looking to fleece every penny out of us even for average players.
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How do we do that? Lay off from this guy, Lindelof and Morata? But then any other "decent targets" we want will be the same inflated prices for us.
 
Ban said:
Sorry but Perišić has been our most important players
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It all makes sense now. Your endless defense of the Perisic is because he is your countryman. Sorry to disappoint you, sentiment will not get United anywhere. He isn't just as good as you think
 
bosnian_red said:
Lucas, mahrez and anderson arent very good, definitely not better wingers then perisic. Sanchez and bale arent ever happening, neither is dembele or di maria. Forsberg, isnt he more a playmaker playing wide like Miki did for dortmund? Had a great season but we need a proper winger not another one of those.

Lemar would be an excellent signing I agree. Mertens has played more as a striker this season anyway, though probably his versatility would be a step above perisic. Insigne probably yeah but then again, Perisic is just so suited to mourinho, fast, strong, a good dribbler, can put in a good cross, can score goals, hard worker and then incredibly 2 footed. I'm all for signing him.
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This is a very good and insightful opinion on this transfer. I am so glad we have stopped buying players because of their names/availability and now show interest in players who will suit our managers system. That's one big step towards progress and having a much better and balanced squad.
 
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dichinero said:
It all makes sense now. Your endless defense of the Perisic is because he is your countryman. Sorry to disappoint you, sentiment will not get United anywhere. He isn't just as good as you think
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Not really.

Rooney's ability isn't bigged up on here because of the amount of countryman on the forum. Neither is Smallish. Your point is invalid.

As one of Croatia's better players I'm sure Ban has seen him a lot more than most on here, for both club and country. Let's face it, how many times have you actually paid attention and watched him before we were linked with him? At International tournaments maybe.

Nothing sentimental about rating Perisic.
 
Lemansky said:
Ok. So who do you suggest we should sign then? And why is not Perisic good enough for you?

Mourinho is well known for very detailed scouting and qualities he wants from the players he buys. Its incredible that so many of our supporters seem to have better knowledge about this transfer then Mourinho.
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The same detail oriented mourinho also signed similar wingers for chelsea, schurrle, salah, cuadrado, willian of all those only willian turned out to be decent, mourinho is not always right.
 
Lemansky said:
Ok. So who do you suggest we should sign then? And why is not Perisic good enough for you?

Mourinho is well known for very detailed scouting and qualities he wants from the players he buys. Its incredible that so many of our supporters seem to have better knowledge about this transfer then Mourinho.
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We should sign a game changer like I said, somebody who can win games for us by themselves. Sanchez would be ideal but difficult but I'm sure there are other options. Maybe Douglas Costa.

That's the type of player that we need. Not someone like Perisic who seems to be only praised for his workrate, solidity and discipline. We have enough functional but lacking players as it is.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
How do we do that? Lay off from this guy, Lindelof and Morata? But then any other "decent targets" we want will be the same inflated prices for us.
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I don't think lindelof deal is overpriced (35m euros if i am correct?) And we are getting a young and quality striker in morata. I am fully in favor of these two signings(although morata is 10m too costly IMO)

The thing with perisic is, he is suited for counter attacking football but his end product is nothing special. And then the prices quoted for such players is 50/60m euros. Also he is 29 i think?

I don't think there are many options but i would have liked us to go for players like Douglas Costa, lemar or anyone else. It all comes down to scouting. I agree that perisic appears to be a mourinho player but so is fellaini. Just not much quality. We should be getting players worth 50/60m and not overpay just because we are man utd and woody said we could do anything in the transfer market.
 
Red Devil Rising said:
Not really.

Rooney's ability isn't bigged up on here because of the amount of countryman on the forum. Neither is Smallish. Your point is invalid.

As one of Croatia's better players I'm sure Ban has seen him a lot more than, for both club and country. Let's face it, how many times have you actually paid attention and watched him before we were linked with him? At International tournaments maybe.

Nothing sentimental about rating Perisic.
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So just because he is from the same country no one else knows him as well? Perisic has been playing in the BuLi and Serie A for almost 6 years, in clubs whose matches are regularly aired. So the player in question is not an unknown entity. If you don't know about the player, fine, speak for yourself. But don't assume that other people that watch matches where he has featured in don't know about him.
You don't need to be English to know about Rooney, neither do you need to be Argentine to know about Messi. My views of Perisic are because I have watched him enough to form my own opinions over the last few years. I don't need anyone to tell otherwise when I have factual reasons. It's the same way that you wouldn't not find me saying much in the Lindelof and Belotti thread. If I don't know, I don't say.
 
dichinero said:
So just because he is from the same country no one else knows him as well? Perisic has been playing in the BuLi and Serie A for almost 6 years, in clubs whose matches are regularly aired. So the player in question is not an unknown entity. If you don't know about the player, fine, speak for yourself. But don't assume that other people that watch matches where he has featured in don't know about him.
You don't need to be English to know about Rooney, neither do you need to be Argentine to know about Messi. My views of Perisic are because I have watched him enough to form my own opinions over the last few years. I don't need anyone to tell otherwise when I have factual reasons. It's the same way that you wouldn't not find me saying much in the Lindelof and Belotti thread. If I don't know, I don't say.
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Coming from someone who has stated Perisic is not consistent enough for his liking, who then goes on to want Douglas Costa :lol:

My last post of the day so shan't be responding to your next reply..But just think about that :rolleyes:

Adios
 
An Irish Red said:
We should sign a game changer like I said, somebody who can win games for us by themselves. Sanchez would be ideal but difficult but I'm sure there are other options. Maybe Douglas Costa.

That's the type of player that we need. Not someone like Perisic who seems to be only praised for his workrate, solidity and discipline. We have enough functional but lacking players as it is.
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Douglas Costa is not in that bracket imo. Sanchez would be great, but I think we have a very slim chance of signing him. There are not many game changers available.

Imo it's much more important building a solid core, which we lack. Perisic would bring a lot to our squad and would instantly be our best "classic" winger. I think a lot of you would be pleasantly surprised if we sign him. He has all the qualities to succeed in our league.
 
Mr Smith said:
:rolleyes:

Both those comparisons are outrageously lazy. The Morata/Welbeck comparison in particular has absolutely no basis in fact.
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Is somebody going to explain how an Ashley Young comparison is lazy to Ivan Perisic? The comparison is a stylistic one.

When we signed Ashley Young he was an extremely fast, and direct winger who maintained width, and peppered crosses. One who wasn't exactly blessed with glamorous dribbling ability but used his speed on the outside to take fullbacks on. High stamina levels and very diligent defensively. Occasionally scored the belter on his right foot coming in field.

Apart from the fact that Perisic is a lot better on either foot and is about 6 inches taller, what else is so astoundingly different in his style of play that renders any Ashley Young comparison so abhorrent and far removed from the truth?
 
DWelbz19 said:
Is somebody going to explain how an Ashley Young comparison is lazy to Ivan Perisic? The comparison is a stylistic one.

When we signed Ashley Young he was an extremely fast, and direct winger who maintained width, and peppered crosses. One who wasn't exactly blessed with glamorous dribbling ability but used his speed on the outside to take fullbacks on. High stamina levels and very diligent defensively. Occasionally scored the belter on his right foot coming in field.

Apart from the fact that Perisic is a lot better on either foot and is about 6 inches taller, what else is so astoundingly different in his style of play that renders any Ashley Young comparison so abhorrent and far removed from the truth?
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I more meant the comparison was lazy because of the negative connotations that often run with Young's name; people tend to use it to scorn Perisic. I'll grant you that stylistically they're not that different (although to my memory Young's defensive diligence was learned with us rather than already there when we signed him). I probably was more reacting to the Morata/Welbeck comparison, which absolutely is lazy, on a number of levels.
 
The problem with Perisic is that it isn't a signing that will do anything to help our current scoring problems, in fact i remember reading that he has the second worst conversion rate in Europe. Assuming Mkhi plays on the right that would leave us with 2 wingers who have notoriously gash finishing and a Striker who's new to the league with the full burden of goal scoring (again).

Going of our current state it feels that every forward player we bring in should be a player that is capable of scoring regularly and without wasting too many chances. Our left side has been dead and buried this season with the lack of coverage from a competent left back and our players there struggling to find form, this signing would feel like another nail in the coffin to that side. I think bringing in a new fullback who can cross (Mendy?) and a James type player through the middle could have a much bigger impact to our current players and overall play. Perisic could still fit in that system but his talent wouldn't necessarily be needed with a capable fullback providing width and crosses.

The whole 1 fullback up 1 down system is very unbalanced and much more so than his system at Chelsea was, where they had Azpi who was still a capable playmaker and Ivanovic in the Valencia battering ram role.
 
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He reminds me of ashley young. I do not like this signing. I hope we sign douglas costa or Moura. Not a signing i would be excited about.
 
For those that watch Inter, what is his strengths? What can he bring to our attack especially in the final third?
 
DWelbz19 said:
Is somebody going to explain how an Ashley Young comparison is lazy to Ivan Perisic? The comparison is a stylistic one.

When we signed Ashley Young he was an extremely fast, and direct winger who maintained width, and peppered crosses. One who wasn't exactly blessed with glamorous dribbling ability but used his speed on the outside to take fullbacks on. High stamina levels and very diligent defensively. Occasionally scored the belter on his right foot coming in field.

Apart from the fact that Perisic is a lot better on either foot and is about 6 inches taller, what else is so astoundingly different in his style of play that renders any Ashley Young comparison so abhorrent and far removed from the truth?
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I can try. Perisic is much more direct player, more faster and physically powerful than Young. Also, much more suited to the counter attacking team. It's not true that Young maintained width as he played on the left usually trying to come inside the box to shoot with his preferred foot. That was his trademark especially when he was younger and he regressed from that time. Basically, he does the same thing what all our other wingers and isn't proper left winger like Perisic.

Both are defensively very good and while offensive side of the game with Young regressed, his defensive side has improved during the years. He is the one of the very few players in our side who can put very good cross also, I'll give him that. But, he will do it again by cutting back to his right foot and cross it into the penalty area. As Young is a very good crosser I also don't mind him staying to be some kind of impact sub. He could be still useful, especially if Morata is coming.

All in all, I can understand people's concerns about Perisic, especially with the price mentioned but he doesn't share many similarities with Young. I think Perisic could fit well here but wouldn't pay Inter asking price as it is too much. If he does come, I also expect that the fee will be lower then what Inter is asking.
 
£44m would be mental and I don't believe for a second that we would be so silly and throw money around like that. I don't particularly want us to sign him anyway so I hope Inter continue to be so stubborn. £44M is ridiculous.
 
£44m will be a good buy in the current market. I'll take it.

We're getting only about 4 players, not 10 so not a problem if we overpaid a 5 or 10m more on each player.
 
Ban said:
So Croatia has a dull national team too?

With players like Modrić, Rakitić,and so on. I've seen him in action for Croatia and he's anything but dull. But carry on.

And sparkling high standard on every player? wow. You are ambitious.
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We spend a trillion pounds every summer. If our squad is comparable to Croatia then we're obviously in the habit of screwing up.
 
I trust Jose to know what he's looking for. Wide left, no matter who we put there last season, didn't really click. Good to have the option of someone going on the outside for a change.
 
The guy needs to play on Ronaldo levels for the hate to stop in here. The distrust from the start is pathetic really.
 
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