The way the market is right now for us, we either pay top whack for the players we want, or we end up buying players that we don't really want, but look better value for money than the ones we do actually want, which is pretty much the Arsenal/Liverpool model of doing business. You might feel like it makes us look stupid and makes our rival fans rivals chuckle when it goes wrong, but not half as much as finishing 6th does.
Ivan Perisic
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Not a big fan of signing a 28 year old for £40+ million - but what concerns me the most is that when we DON'T have Zlatan in the box anymore (Most likely) - that is when we sign a players whose biggest quality is delivering crosses into the box.
But in fairness - with Perisic, I guarantee we will see a LOT of good crosses.
But in fairness - with Perisic, I guarantee we will see a LOT of good crosses.
Instead of defending why Perisic will be a good signing especially on the face of justifiable doubts, considering his career so far, it's just annoying hearing the same thing over and over ''Jose knows what he is doing with transfers''so did Fergie, and they were times when he couldn't get much out of underwhelming players. Not because he was a poor in transfer market dealing, but because you can only do so much with some players.
It would be far better to hear arguments on both sides rather than a lazy deferral to authority.
I've always thought he was a constant menace in the games I've seen him play.
I'm actually a fan of the idea of signing him.
I'm actually a fan of the idea of signing him.
He's not going to make us any better unless we also sign other world class attackers that have goals in them, which is where I'm at with this one.
If we go 433 and Perisic is on the left, we need two serious goalscorers in the other position. Perisic might get you around 10 a season, but say for instance we had Rashford and Mkhi up there with him, there's simply not enough goals.
One thing I have considered is that he might be playing that RW role. He's two footed and can go down the outside or score off his left coming in. That'd make more sense for me, instead of him playing over Martial who has goals in him and could hopefully explode again next season.
If we go 433 and Perisic is on the left, we need two serious goalscorers in the other position. Perisic might get you around 10 a season, but say for instance we had Rashford and Mkhi up there with him, there's simply not enough goals.
One thing I have considered is that he might be playing that RW role. He's two footed and can go down the outside or score off his left coming in. That'd make more sense for me, instead of him playing over Martial who has goals in him and could hopefully explode again next season.
43M for 22 year old Bernardo Silva who went to Man City from Monaco (that won the league) compared to 45M for 28 year old Perisic (who finished 7th with Inter)
I'm finding it to hard to see the value there.
anyone who watched him playing for his NT can see that he's clearly a very good player. and yes, he may not be as consistent for Inter as he is for Croatia, but I still don't understand why are many of our supporters so willing to give up on thought that we may actually see him in his best form, given that he'd playing in stronger and better managed club.
on the other hand, I can understand their disappointment after the latest Griezmann update. I've learnt my lession after Sneijder and Thiago sagas so I've stopped getting excited about transfers.
€50m seems to be the new €30m.
I guess im not worried about the price
Unless were spending €100m i dont expect them to be an automatic first choice. They'll be competing for a spot and get rotated fairly regularly
Mourinho does not really care about the cost of a player. He wants the players he wants and expects the club to get them with little regard to cost.
Chelsea's failure to get Stones for him was the first step towards their last break up. He had a similar clash with Moratti over getting Carvalho from Chelsea and was reluctant to accept Lucuio in his stead. At Madrid his first war was to get rid of Valdano as Sporting Director (who he felt was stopping from getting his player choices) and then, despite already having Marcelo, he had Madrid pay €30m for Coentrao.
If Mourinho is truly interested in Perisic, I am sure he has a plan in mind for him. I am just doubtful Perisic will live up to the expectation and even more doubtful that the expectation is worth the rumored 50m.
Perisic has 56 NT caps but almost 200 club appearances in the same span. Sorry, but I will go with the larger sample size as a measure of what to expect. More so, we cant simply recruit the entire Croatia NT just to get the best out of him.
In the end I do not really care about names. I just want us to Play better Football again and win the big trophies (Europa League was a good start).
However, from Griezman considered being more or less confirmed to Perisic and Lukaku does not really bring tears of joy to my eyes.
However, from Griezman considered being more or less confirmed to Perisic and Lukaku does not really bring tears of joy to my eyes.
Fecking hell. You'd think we were signing Ivan The Terrible the way some people are going on.
I hope we get him, because ive actually watched him consistently this season and he'd be a huge upgrade to all of our wingers (including Martial). Physical (perfect for PL) , 2 footed, good dribbler, acrobatic at times, good crosser and most importantly, isnt afraid to shoot. Hes the sort of person you want drifting outside the box, on the left at the end of every play (not building it up)
In case you haven't noticed, we have been paying top whack for non top level players which is similar to this rumoured deal. Liverpool spend within their means. Arsenal last season, spent a lot on Okish players Xhaka, Mustafi etc so if anything this is an Arsenal type deal. Buying players of the Giroud class as opposed to the Aubemyang class
Just an opinion. Quality winger, similar level to Mkhitaryan. Prices are now so inflated. All best players are now £100m+. £40-50m are now the norm for good players to the EPL.
Mkhi is a better player imo
Was Perisic named Seria A player of the year or have I just missed something? He has NEVER had a season like Miki did in Germany, in a top league. Miki was involved in something like 45 goals last year. Even Miki's debut Dortmund season was more productive than Persic's and this was supposedly a bad opening season for Miki. Its not even all about stats though, Perisic is a fairly basic winger. I would take prime Nani in a heartbeat
We need somebody on the left that can actually run, dribble and shoot with their left foot. I can't think of many others out there that'll be better than Perisic at doing that right now.
We probably missed the boat with Sane on that, but he was more of an inside forward. I see Perisic as being just as effective, although obviously older. Still though 28/29 with his body style shouldn't be an issue. He's got that low body fat/lanky style of body like Giggs that doesn't carry weight easily.
We probably missed the boat with Sane on that, but he was more of an inside forward. I see Perisic as being just as effective, although obviously older. Still though 28/29 with his body style shouldn't be an issue. He's got that low body fat/lanky style of body like Giggs that doesn't carry weight easily.
we all would.
Ok, I'm all ears. Let's speak about his 2015/16 season. Why is it very valid argument we shouldn't sign him?
You need to make sure you have a good diet and get enough sleep because you must nourish your brain to think about things more effectively.
Upon doing so, you will notice that Pedro at half of the touted price, can do all these things. Griezmann, the guy we were stroked by can do this. Morata is another. Douglas Costa. Bale, Giggseh.
P.S. Jose has used inverted forwards in the past to great success
Reason is simple, he was worse than this season and as average/decent, whatever you want to call it, as previously in his career. 2016/17 might be his best season yet, but one good season shouldn't be enough for us, especially at his age. I would have no problem to pay that sort of money for him, if he was constantly playing like he was at the World Cup or the Euros, but that's just 3 and 4 games respectively. If United invest a lot of money in a player, there should be either a bigger sample size that a player has consistently played at a high level or the talent should be very obvious. Neither is the case for Perisic IMO.
Shame he's not a local lad, then his mediocrity would be welcomed.
Wanted to discuss it because 2015/16 season is one of the worst to make judgment of him. He had difficult first half of the season, same as Mhki here, but the problem is that he was played out of his position for the first few months. He was deployed by Mancini behind the striker in a diamond (crazy idea) or as a right wing-back in 3-5-2 (even worse idea). Btw. from this experience he would be a bad wing-back and he would never be a left back as some here think it's a good idea. His best performances started when he finally switch as pure left winger and with a change of system he started producing numbers. He still needed a couple of games to get in the form but from then on he is the player you also see in 2016/17 season. He barely scored or produced the assist in first half of the season and still finished with the highest numbers of assist in the league for Inter and 9 goals after establishing himself on the wing.
Because of that, I think, you can't use 2015/16 as the best example why not to buy him. It's best example how not to use him.
I have my concerns over him also. Price tag is too high and his close control and decision making is sometimes frustrating (but that's common with other fast wingers in the market). I'm also worried that fans could be on his back because of the price tag and he will need to adapt fast to the league since everybody will expect better EPL results from the start.
Still, in the right set up, which include quick transformation from defense to attack or in a counter attacking team, he could really thrive on the wing so I can see why Jose is after him.
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I'm not sure at which point over the last year Mourinho gave any hint that he would conceivably base his plans on Martial exploding again, ever.
I would consider him a bonus squad player rather than try make sense of where we are going assuming Martial is part of that.
Trying to justify the fee if it is true that we're getting him for that amount. It's crazy to think that 2 years ago a certain Perisic came to Inter for 16m EUR who couldn't get into Klopp's Dortmund side and hardly lit up the Bundesliga with Wolfsburg, be worth anywhere near the quoted amount after 2 good seasons with Inter and being 28 years of age.
I'm a little surprised people aren't also down on this because some wide players who've excelled in Serie A seem to have done better there than abroad. Not just Cuadrado and Salah not getting a real chance at Chelsea, but Cerci at Atletico comes to mind. It's not crazy to think that succeeding in central midfield or at center back in Serie A translates to the Prem in a way wide talent might not. Doesn't mean a ton for any one transfer, but if Perisic goes from an 8/10 player in Serie A at age 28 to a 7/10 player in the Prem by age 30, then we're basically paying 50M for one good season and then we'd be better off just playing Martial or Rashford there anyways.
I'd much rather we risked 75M on Bale than 50M on Perisic. Even if Bale's injury troubles don't go away and he only averages 35 games a year, we can just play whichever Mata, Mkhitaryan or Martial would be sitting the other 15-25 games, and we'd be better off.
I'd much rather we risked 75M on Bale than 50M on Perisic. Even if Bale's injury troubles don't go away and he only averages 35 games a year, we can just play whichever Mata, Mkhitaryan or Martial would be sitting the other 15-25 games, and we'd be better off.
I am not a fan of getting bale, but his marketability would likely cover the 25m difference and Bale can be a genuine difference maker
I wouldn't be opposed to that (provided he doesn't torture his own teammates).
Liverpool have been as successful as City over the last 12 months. So how does your theory explain itself? Spurs haven't paid top dollar for anyone, yet more successful than City?
what you spend does not equate towhat you win in my book.
No idea the veracity but I saw this...
http://www.blamefootball.com/2017/06/02/inter-milan-accept-bid-ivan-perisic/
http://www.blamefootball.com/2017/06/02/inter-milan-accept-bid-ivan-perisic/
I think JPRouve a Monaco fan said that Silva would be going for 50 million euros plus 20 million bonus, where does the 43 come from? British scource who wants to put City in a good daylight?
!!50m euros is close to 42m pounds.
I am not convinced and I think you are making excuses, because he played a fair amount on the wing or wide with Jovetic throught the centre. What do you think of his time in Germany? That's the main reason I'm so apprehensive about this signing.
Bale is not a winger anymore. And he won't be playing winger for United. He barely accepts having to start mostly wide for a team that has Cristiano Ronaldo in it, no way he signs for you and accepts to play anywhere other than his favoured free role/second striker
Also, it would still take a world-record fee to sign him(but yes, you should sign him if you have the chance. But he's plan B to Griezmann, not a wing option)
I'm not here to convince you, already told you why I also have doubts and what can be frustrating about him. Also, curious how he will react in situation where opponent park the bus at Old Trafford and he doesn't have all that space which he likes. I am hoping all that can be solve with our general set up for the next year. Just said that his 2015/16 season is not best to make clear judgment and it's definitely not a very valid argument not to buy him as you said.
He did played fair amount of games on the wing but only fully established himself there in the second half. Before that he was tried in two other positions, get a game or two on the wing, change of system again, etc... When he established himself on the wing he became much more consistent, build his numbers and played the way he played last season.
As of his time in Germany, he failed at Dortmund, even had personal clash with Klopp and then had 2 good season in Wolfsburg which earn him that transfer for Inter. Yes, in both seasons in Wolfsburg he was quite good. Also, it's apparent that he made significant progress in the last few years. He is much more direct and concrete player then he was before. That is proved both on club level and for his national team where he is best performer along with Modric (better than Rakitic for example).
He can offer definitely something different and can be very effective. Price tag is the issue and the way he adapts to EPL also, because as I said he won't have much time with it.
Well lets not forget the add-ons. Nobody did it with Martial, now everybody does it with Bernardo just to bash us. Go on about Perisic being average and use his end product against him (Salah, Insigne, Keita etc) but they forget that Perisic has higher end product that Bernardo Silva. Which is still irrelevant as they are completely different players, playing in different teams.
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