Ivan Perisic

[Raoul]

I think what people often forget is its not the fame or reputation of individual player but rather how the manager perceives the player can fit into a particular role he has in mind.

 

[Raoul]

So no Griez and now this deal is supposedly 'close', what a travesty.

Messi/Ronaldo OR bust ehh ?

 

[An Irish Red]

De Gea
Valencia Bailly Keane Darmian
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Mkhitaryan Belotti Perisic

What would you do if this was our starting line up on the first day of the season?

That's a poor team.

• Average centre back signed
• Little attacking threat from the fullbacks
  
• Only Pogba capable of consisently creating chances from central areas
  
• The burden of creativity out wide would therefore fall on the shoulders of Mkhitaryan (inconsistent) and Perisic (average)
• A striker who is technically limited and only really good in the air (considerable downgrade from Zlatan)

We would be fighting it out for 4th if we were lucky and that's about it.

 

[dichinero]

Mkhi was best played as a RW for Dortmund and is his best position for us. Pogba would help provide more creativity and Perisic is creative himself.

He was not an out and out winger at Dortmund, which is what José prefers from those positioned there. I'll be honest with you Perisic is not what I'd call a creative player. He's quick and strong, which makes him able to get down the byline more often than most slow Serie A fullbacks, and just whips it in most of the time and hopes. He has many opportunities to put a cross in but it doesn't make him creative. Jermaine Pennant was a serial crosser of the ball, even breaking some PL record at some point but it didn't make him a creative player. Perisic is the same, rinse and repeat. It can work but won't always work.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

If Martial and Mkhi can not beat out Persic that is very worrying.

 

[Macern]

I think what people often forget is its not the fame or reputation of individual player but rather how the manager perceives the player can fit into a particular role he has in mind.

At the end of the day you need world class attackers to be successful, at least consistently successful. Not sure what Mourinho is aiming at, a small step forward or actually competing for the title and go far in CL. I don't see us doing the latter without at least one world class gamechanger in the front line, especially considering how poor the attack was last season.

 

[Raoul]

At the end of the day you need world class attackers to be successful, at least consistently successful. Not sure what Mourinho is aiming at, a small step forward or actually competing for the title and go far in CL. I don't see us doing the latter without at least one world class gamechanger in the front line, especially considering how poor the attack was last season.

Every player we buy can't be a hollywood signing. It just doesn't work that way. The manager's vision of what he wants out of his squad takes precedence and we need more players who are the correct piece of Mourinho's puzzle and not necessarily ones the media or others in here think we should be buying.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Every player we buy can't be a hollywood signing. It just doesn't work that way. The manager's vision of what he wants out of his squad takes precedence and we need more players who are the correct piece of Mourinho's puzzle and not necessarily ones the media or others in here think we should be buying.

Amazing how this gets lost on so many people

 

[Macern]

Every player we buy can't be a hollywood signing. It just doesn't work that way. The manager's vision of what he wants out of his squad takes precedence and we need more players who are the correct piece of Mourinho's puzzle and not necessarily ones the media or others in here think we should be buying.

Obviously, and I trust him, but it seems like the club is struggling to get players of high enough quality this summer. I don't know what Mourinho's plan is, but he has had great attackers in his previous clubs and I'm sure he'd like to improve that part of the team here as well. It's obviously a big blow re. Griezmann and it doesn't seem like the right wingers are available this summer either so I'm obviously worried that this window won't go as smoothly as previous ones and that we'll suffer from that next season.

 

[Raoul]

Amazing how this gets lost on so many people

It stems from a bizarre logic where some seem to think we should have a world class player at every position - which in the process completely ignores the fact that its teamwork, not individuals that wins trophies

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

How many of you slating Perisic have actually watched him play consistently this season? I only say it because I watch quite a bit of Serie A and I've seen at most a handful of games he's played. He's many levels above the likes of Lingard in what he does, and what he does is a specialist job (proper wing play). He has qualities Mourinho wants, and Conte too apparently. We're paying what we're paying because firstly Jose wants him, and secondly there's competition for his signature because he isn't the crap player so many have convinced themselves of. He's not going to win world player of the year, but how many of our title winning squads have had world class players in every position? The early 90 squads, and perhaps 08, but that's it.

Jose wants him so we're probably going to sign him.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

How many of you slating Perisic have actually watched him play consistently this season? I only say it because I watch quite a bit of Serie A and I've seen at most a handful of games he's played. He's many levels above the likes of Lingard in what he does, and what he does is a specialist job (proper wing play). He has qualities Mourinho wants, and Conte too apparently. We're paying what we're paying because firstly Jose wants him, and secondly there's competition for his signature because he isn't the crap player so many have convinced themselves of. He's not going to win world player of the year, but how many of our title winning squads have had world class players in every position? The early 90 squads, and perhaps 08, but that's it.

Jose wants him so we're probably going to sign him.

You can say that about a lot of wingers.

 

[Sid234]

This transfer season requires a "Keep Calm and Trust Jose" poster.

The transfer window hasn't even officially opened yet and people are already having meltdowns. Have we already forgotten the summer of Moyes?

 

[AltiUn]

Every player we buy can't be a hollywood signing. It just doesn't work that way. The manager's vision of what he wants out of his squad takes precedence and we need more players who are the correct piece of Mourinho's puzzle and not necessarily ones the media or others in here think we should be buying.

Couldn't agree with this more. Mourinho's done enough to earn our trust for this window, we've seen what he can do if he can get the pieces he actually wants, if he thinks Perisic is one of those pieces then I'm fully onboard (even if I already think Perisic is a very good player).

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

You can say that about a lot of wingers.

Yeah, I agree. But I wouldn't complain if we signed any of those players either. It's one thing if people are against the style of play, and the connotations of Perisic signing in that regard, but it's a bit much to write him off as a nothing player.

 

[Macern]

How many of you slating Perisic have actually watched him play consistently this season? I only say it because I watch quite a bit of Serie A and I've seen at most a handful of games he's played. He's many levels above the likes of Lingard in what he does, and what he does is a specialist job (proper wing play). He has qualities Mourinho wants, and Conte too apparently. We're paying what we're paying because firstly Jose wants him, and secondly there's competition for his signature because he isn't the crap player so many have convinced themselves of. He's not going to win world player of the year, but how many of our title winning squads have had world class players in every position? The early 90 squads, and perhaps 08, but that's it.

Jose wants him so we're probably going to sign him.

I think the main issue people have with him is that our attack is completely lacking of clinical world class attackers (apart from Zlatan) and even though Perisic is a productive winger who can be an effective supplement to probably most attacking units - he isn't what we need the most right now imo. Our biggest problem last season was finishing chances. I assume most here want a world class attacker who scores on most of his chances more than anything and Perisic isn't that kind of player obviously.

By all means, he can turn out to be a good signing. He seems to be Mourinho's first choice winger. I just hope we'll signe one of Mourinho's preferred chance converters as well.

 

[VP89]

Obviously, and I trust him, but it seems like the club is struggling to get players of high enough quality this summer. I don't know what Mourinho's plan is, but he has had great attackers in his previous clubs and I'm sure he'd like to improve that part of the team here as well. It's obviously a big blow re. Griezmann and it doesn't seem like the right wingers are available this summer either so I'm obviously worried that this window won't go as smoothly as previous ones and that we'll suffer from that next season.

I'm not being funny, but its 1st June.

 

[el3mel]

That's a poor team.

• Average centre back signed
• Little attacking threat from the fullbacks
  
• Only Pogba capable of consisently creating chances from central areas
  
• The burden of creativity out wide would therefore fall on the shoulders of Mkhitaryan (inconsistent) and Perisic (average)
• A striker who is technically limited and only really good in the air (considerable downgrade from Zlatan)

We would be fighting it out for 4th if we were lucky and that's about it.

1- we played with worse CB pairing this summer and still looked strong.
2- Jose only attacks with one full back and that's Valencia.
3- Pogba and Mikhi are creative enough. Chelsea side this season got only Hazard and Pedro to create chances and it worked anyway. It's not by number.
4 - The RW in our formation is always cutting inside to join the midfield to leave Valencia space to provide width. Perisic on the other side will be also provide width for crosses. It's not a problem at all.
5- Agree on Belotti limitness but with Valencia and Preisic continuous crosses he will get decent chances to score.
5- Finally, formations on paper means nothing. It's about how it works on the pitch and some people really find this hard to understand don't know why. Chelsea formation this season was underwhelming in names except Hazard, Costa and Kanre if you compared them to City and United. It still worked to its best and won 30 matches in the league. It's about having good system, not as many flashy players as possible on the pitch.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

This is Perisic's last game of the season against Udinese. It basically gives you a rounded insight into the player as you can see his workrate, ability to take on players and instinct in front of goal. However he doesn't have the best finishing which is evidenced by the failed one on one.

I think a striker with great movement like a Chicharito would thrive off him.

The closest buy to Chicharito right now that is realistic is probably Belotti as his movement is outstanding most of the time.

Actually an encouraging performance, that second assist was beautiful.

 

[Macern]

I'm not being funny, but its 1st June.

I know, but look, Woodward knows which players Mourinho wants the most. He has known that for quite a while. He'll have made inquiries about them and rumours would probably have leaked. We aren't getting Griezmann or Mbappe. Probably not Belotti/Morata as well. I just don't hope those players were Mourinhos attacking solutions.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Yeah, I agree. But I wouldn't complain if we signed any of those players either. It's one thing if people are against the style of play, and the connotations of Perisic signing in that regard, but it's a bit much to write him off as a nothing player.

He is obviously not a nothing player but, I do not think he is an improvement on Mata, Martial or Mkhi and he is already 28 and players of his style sometimes fall off very quickly.

 

[Raoul]

Obviously, and I trust him, but it seems like the club is struggling to get players of high enough quality this summer. I don't know what Mourinho's plan is, but he has had great attackers in his previous clubs and I'm sure he'd like to improve that part of the team here as well. It's obviously a big blow re. Griezmann and it doesn't seem like the right wingers are available this summer either so I'm obviously worried that this window won't go as smoothly as previous ones and that we'll suffer from that next season.

I suppose you'd have to define quality as players who Mourinho feels can do a job at a particular position relative to his overall tactical vision. When you look at it in those terms, players like Perisic and Lacazette may be just what we need.

 

[bosnian_red]

De Gea
Valencia Bailly Keane Darmian
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Mkhitaryan Belotti Perisic

What would you do if this was our starting line up on the first day of the season?

Get a better left back and I'd be pretty happy tbh. Front 3 could use a bit more quality though to be honest. Belotti would be an unknown how he adapts to the prem and how good he actually is, Mkhitaryan needs to get some consistency though Perisic would balance it well. Pace and a proper winger on the left so that would be nice.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

He is obviously not a nothing player but, I do not think he is an improvement on Mata, Martial or Mkhi and he is already 28 and players of his style sometimes fall off very quickly.

He might not be a better player, but he is an improvement on all of those in terms of wing play. Mata isn't a natural wide player, despite his role at Valencia and sometimes at Chelsea and sometimes for us. He can play wide, but he isn't a modern day winger. Martial will never be a proper winger as he always wants to come central. Mkhitaryan again is one of those hybrids who can play as a 10, or out wide, but he's not a proper winger either. We don't actually have any.

 

[VP89]

I know, but look, Woodward knows which players Mourinho wants the most. He has known that for quite a while. He'll have made inquiries about them and rumours would probably have leaked. We aren't getting Griezmann or Mbappe. Probably not Belotti/Morata as well. I just don't hope those players were Mourinhos attacking solutions.

No one is getting Mbappe, Griezmann and Morata are circumstantial and there is nothing to suggest Belotti was even on the list as much as the others.

There are other players of great quality who can come in and improve us a great deal. Fabinho and Lacazette are two obvious ones. Perisic may suit Mourinho's system and mentality far better than we think (see how Rojo was transformed under him as a CB). Keane might be about as good as Smalling/Jones, but he'l add much continuity which will improve us as a unit.

Basically, there are a lot of targets that can better the team considerably. For reasons other than talent. There is no need for concern that Griezmann is off when its 1st June. He's not the only player who could improve us.

 

[Macern]

I suppose you'd have to define quality as players who Mourinho feels can do a job at a particular position relative to his overall tactical vision. When you look at it in those terms, players like Perisic and Lacazette may be just what we need.

Maybe. Lacazette seems to be clinical as hell and Perisic does add width and pace, he can go both ways and can cross better than anyone in our squad. It's just a question of whether it's enough and whether it works out as envisiomed or not.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

He might not be a better player, but he is an improvement on all of those in terms of wing play. Mata isn't a natural wide player, despite his role at Valencia and sometimes at Chelsea and sometimes for us. He can play wide, but he isn't a modern day winger. Martial will never be a proper winger as he always wants to come central. Mkhitaryan again is one of those hybrids who can play as a 10, or out wide, but he's not a proper winger either. We don't actually have any.

Do we really need a traditional winger? Most top sides have wingers who look to move centrally.

 

[Macern]

Do we really need a traditional winger? Most top sides have wingers who look to move centrally.

I think a wide player on one side and a narrow "wrong-footed" player on the other side can work out really well, especially considering our full backs. We need width from somewhere and it should come from the left since Valencia benefits a lot from playing behind players like Mata who drifts centrally leaving space behind him. We don't have a left back who can cover so much ground so it makes a lot of sense in my head.

 

[Arthur Friedenreich]

He will be Mourinho's Mario Mandžukić.

 

[theralyst]

This is Perisic's last game of the season against Udinese. It basically gives you a rounded insight into the player as you can see his workrate, ability to take on players and instinct in front of goal. However he doesn't have the best finishing which is evidenced by the failed one on one.

I think a striker with great movement like a Chicharito would thrive off him.

The closest buy to Chicharito right now that is realistic is probably Belotti as his movement is outstanding most of the time.

He looks like a useful player (and we aren't exactly blessed with wide players), it's just the fee that's the sticking point for many I think, funds that I think could be allocated better elsewhere.

 

[Orange Tree]

Watching that Udinese clip, he doesn't look any better than Young. And I do think Young is a good player.

But for the fee branded around, one would expect a huge improvement over our existing squad player.

 

[Yagami]

It stems from a bizarre logic where some seem to think we should have a world class player at every position - which in the process completely ignores the fact that its teamwork, not individuals that wins trophies

Speaking for myself, I'm not saying we need WC players in every position but we need more than what we have.

Our best teams usually had around 7/8 of those players. We have, what, two right now? de Gea and Pogba. Bailly can become WC, and it remains to be seen whether we keep Zlatan and, if we do, if he maintains his previous level of performance. That's, at a stretch, four. I personally wouldn't class either Mkhi or Mata as WC, but more very good squad players à la Park.

We of course have the potential of Shaw, Martial, Rashford and Pereira but we need some more players who are ready now. Especially if José isn't that high on Shaw and Martial.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be buying useful squad players as they make the team what it is as well, but our priority as of now should be going for the best we can (especially in attack) as we're severely lacking in quality. Perisic is the type of attacker we should be looking at (a wide player who keeps width and is a somewhat decent attacking threat) but I think we need better. We have enough "squad players" who can fill in out wide; it's an absolute menace of a wide player that we're lacking. I guess Martial of last year could be that player but he doesn't seem to be in José's favour.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Perisic (yes, I've watched a fair bit of Inter due to Banega) but he is a decent player who, if signed, will have some good moments here. Just like I thought with Mkhi last year and Mata in '14.

 

[Zii]

It stems from a bizarre logic where some seem to think we should have a world class player at every position - which in the process completely ignores the fact that its teamwork, not individuals that wins trophies

You have to admit though, when we dominate the prem and champions league for that 3 year period, how many of our players were world class? Yes you don't world class in every spot but you do need to be a cohesive team first and have a bit of magic, look at Leicester.

However to dominate and have a top squad to compete on all fronts I think your going to need a lot of your squad to be world class or on the bring.

That entire back 4 we had was voted into the PfA team (never been done since) Rooney Ronaldo and Tevez world class, scholes was. That's 8.

If we want to get back to the top and win titles and go in consistent deep runs into the champions league we need a lot of top top talent.

That's just my opinion but I don't believe you can win a title like Leicster did ever again without some mental circumstances like catching half the league off guard and being Unknown.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

This is Perisic's last game of the season against Udinese. It basically gives you a rounded insight into the player as you can see his workrate, ability to take on players and instinct in front of goal. However he doesn't have the best finishing which is evidenced by the failed one on one.

I think a striker with great movement like a Chicharito would thrive off him.

The closest buy to Chicharito right now that is realistic is probably Belotti as his movement is outstanding most of the time.

That was a brilliant performance.

 

[Raoul]

You have to admit though, when we dominate the prem and champions league for that 3 year period, how many of our players were world class? Yes you don't world class in every spot but you do need to be a cohesive team first and have a bit of magic, look at Leicester.

However to dominate and have a top squad to compete on all fronts I think your going to need a lot of your squad to be world class or on the bring.

That entire back 4 we had was voted into the PfA team (never been done since) Rooney Ronaldo and Tevez world class, scholes was. That's 8.

If we want to get back to the top and win titles and go in consistent deep runs into the champions league we need a lot of top top talent.

That's just my opinion but I don't believe you can win a title like Leicster did ever again without some mental circumstances like catching half the league off guard and being Unknown.

Yes i wasn't suggesting that having more world class players was a bad thing, its just not a guarantee, since as you say, Leicester did quite well last year and even Jose's Porto and Inter teams didn't have any hollywood signings. Ultimately its the ability of 11 players to galvanize and punch well above their collective weight that sets teams apart.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Yes i wasn't suggesting that having more world class players was a bad thing, its just not a guarantee, since as you say, Leicester did quite well last year and even Jose's Porto and Inter teams didn't have any hollywood signings. Ultimately its the ability of 11 players to galvanize and punch well above their collective weight that sets teams apart.

That Inter side had a bunch of great players.

 

[Raoul]

That Inter side had a bunch of great players.

Yeah some were, but by today's standards they would be fairly anonymous. Milito was clearly punching well above his weight, Sneijder was at the time a Madrid reject, the likes of Zanetti, Lucio, Materazzi, and Cordoba were well into their 30s etc. None were any better than our current squad profile in terms of stature.

 

[Maradona10]

It will be a depressing signing.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

I haven't seen much of the guy admittedly but a few times I have I was impressed. Surprised he's so roundly written off as dross on here but again I haven't seen a great amount.

Hope we are all wrong and he's a hit. Jose knows how to build a team and he's generally had a great transfer record.

 

[MarchingOn]

We've been burned by the big name transfers too many times over the last few years. I hope this guy comes in and proves everyone wrong.