Ivan Perisic

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cheeky_backheel said:
Milito wanted to return to Genoa when Zaragoza was relegated even though he had interests from Valencia and Spurs. Motta was so often injured that he signed only a 1yr deal with Atletico. Dante was never a top quality player.

Quaresma is an example of Mou wanting a player which history predicted was more likely to fail than succeed at Inter. Yet he got him at a steep price.

The problem is that Perisic is still playing at an average club at 28, so why do you compare him to players that have moved to a top club at a younger age? He is at an average club and he is not setting the world on fire.

It matters if Perisic is worth the money or not, otherwise we can pay 100m to buy every average player that is good enough to play for United. If was coming for less or even free then there is less of an issue.

It is even worse if you dont care about money, because shouldnt we then get the better players if money is not a concern e.g. we can just buyout Carrasco for 100m. Carrasco is 23 and already a better player than Perisic.

We are only getting 4-6 players in a transfer window, and we have to make them count so that we can be competitive next season. The team lacks quality players but have abundance of average ones, so we cannot afford to add more mediocre players before addressing the lack of quality. Players like Perisic are what you add to fill in the holes of a team with an established core.
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Can't argue with this, perisic is a good player, nothing more. We have enough of those, we need world class additions in order to compete next season.
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Maybe Perisic is our Griezmann alternative if the ban is not lifted :lol:, he plays at 10 a fair bit from what i've heard. This thread would be beautiful.
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I doubt its the case. Griezmann is a forward. He can play on the flanks but he will be pretty wasted there. He's ideal as a no 10 behind a powerful striker, someone like Ibra or Belotti. Perisic is an old fashion "Giggsie" like winger. His movement and technique allows him to drift in the center with ease. However deep down you know that he'd rather hug to the touchline then play as no 10.
 
nyanza said:
They can't really refuse though. The problem would be if he decides on his own to stay not to cause them headaches because of him leaving with no replacement. Which is very likely.
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But that's exactly my point. Those players are loyal to Simeone and i think Griezmann is a decent guy.
If they can't sign i suspect he will stay there.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Milito wanted to return to Genoa when Zaragoza was relegated even though he had interests from Valencia and Spurs. Motta was so often injured that he signed only a 1yr deal with Atletico. Dante was never a top quality player.

Quaresma is an example of Mou wanting a player which history predicted was more likely to fail than succeed at Inter. Yet he got him at a steep price.

The problem is that Perisic is still playing at an average club at 28, so why do you compare him to players that have moved to a top club at a younger age? He is at an average club and he is not setting the world on fire.

It matters if Perisic is worth the money or not, otherwise we can pay 100m to buy every average player that is good enough to play for United. If was coming for less or even free then there is less of an issue.

It is even worse if you dont care about money, because shouldnt we then get the better players if money is not a concern e.g. we can just buyout Carrasco for 100m. Carrasco is 23 and already a better player than Perisic.

We are only getting 4-6 players in a transfer window, and we have to make them count so that we can be competitive next season. The team lacks quality players but have abundance of average ones, so we cannot afford to add more mediocre players before addressing the lack of quality. Players like Perisic are what you add to fill in the holes of a team with an established core.
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You are just moving the goal posts now. Willian is also example of player not moving to big club when he was in min 20s but was a good transfer when Jose signed him.

Not sure whether you are getting the point, all the players I mentioned were at average club in their mid 20s, so it perfectly fits your logic here. They were at average club until they were signed by big club. Same thing will happen with Perisic if we sign him.

Re Money, its simple. It's not FM. I don't control the finances, there are designated people for that who knows the actual financial situation of the club.

Again, Perisic is not mediocre player, not sure why you keep on posting that. We have quality players but our team lacks balance. Obviously we are going to upgrade on other positions too, so not sure why you are so much worried.

Edit: Can't be arsed anymore. I have made my points very clearly and don't have time to post the same things again and again.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
I wouldnt call those stats impressive.

42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists = no goals and no assist in half of the games
44 dribbles = Average of a dribble per game.
63 successful chances of goal created = about 1.5 chances created per game.
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Messi and Ronaldo have ruined people.
 
Marcus said:
Look at who he signed and how they have done for United.
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Yeah, but then look at the wingers he signed for Chelsea just in the last spell: Cuadrado, Salah, Schürrle… No much to be confident about, is it?
 
I'm sorry, I know it's very Caf to act as if not wanting Perisic is throwing your toys out of the pram, but I don't want Perisic. It's not because I want someone better - I genuinely don't think he improves the squad we can currently field. In that position, I'd rather get no-one. We already have Martial, Lingard, Young et al.

What we need are a DM to replace Carrick and a top-class, ruthless goalscorer to replace/improve on Rooney and/or Ibra. And possibly a LB.
 
Brightonian said:
I'm sorry, I know it's very Caf to act as if not wanting Perisic is throwing your toys out of the pram, but I don't want Perisic. It's not because I want someone better - I genuinely don't think he improves the squad we can currently field. In that position, I'd rather get no-one. We already have Martial, Lingard, Young et al.

What we need are a DM to replace Carrick and a top-class, ruthless goalscorer to replace/improve on Rooney and/or Ibra. And possibly a LB.
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Personally, I'd like to see us outbid City for Sanchez but that's based on a strong assumption he'd be willing to join as a left winger (I don't see him playing any different for City or Bayern).

The quoted prices for Perisic by Inter's valuation is 60m EUR. If we just offered £70m for Sanchez its a much of a muchness and a vast difference in quality between the two.
 
Did not watch him play for Inter so can't really tell but at least I hope he would fare better than Mkhitaryan. I did remember him playing quite well in the Euro though.
 
Devil may care said:
Our manager recently said he likes mentally strong players, the complete opposite of Mahrez who folded like a tent when things got tough at Leicester.
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I would not have bet even one penny for leicester to repeat that , But he is not mentally strong is a wrong notion.
 
prtk0811 said:
I would not have bet even one penny for leicester to repeat that , But he is not mentally strong is a wrong notion.
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How? He was one of the main culprits in downing tools that got Ranieri sacked, he sulked around in the PL games, only trying when he was in the shop window in the CL.
 
Devil may care said:
How? He was one of the main culprits in downing tools that got Ranieri sacked, he sulked around in the PL games, only trying when he was in the shop window in the CL.
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It was the whole team, Ranieri changed things after kante sale which dint go down well. You dont loose the skills and talent overnight. The creativity and skills he's got is still top class.
 
prtk0811 said:
It was the whole team, Ranieri changed things after kante sale which dint go down well. You dont loose the skills and talent overnight. The creativity and skills he's got is still top class.
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I never said he didn't have skills, I said he had a weak mentality, not a guy that would fight for his manager or team, like for instance Willian at Chelsea, when it all fell apart he still played hard for Jose, Mahrez downed tools on Ranieri, I think that would be very much in Jose's mind given his opinion on what happened to Ranieri.
 
Devil may care said:
I never said he didn't have skills, I said he had a weak mentality, not a guy that would fight for his manager or team, like for instance Willian at Chelsea, when it all fell apart he still played hard for Jose, Mahrez downed tools on Ranieri, I think that would be very much in Jose's mind given his opinion on what happened to Ranieri.
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What happened at leicester no one knows, Okay maharez was not playing well, but so was every one of them collectively specially the midfeild and defense ,so he also, it was not that he was alone not trying. As far as willian is concerned i think he's staying put at chelsea, so alternatively He may fit this team in creative sense which improves the attack against top teams in epl and ucl. Perisic alone as a winger can be nullified in the big ucl games. In a top team he can shine again with good mentality collectively. As a creative option worth giving a punt.
 
prtk0811 said:
What happened at leicester no one knows, Okay maharez was not playing well, but so was every one of them collectively specially the midfeild and defense ,so he also, it was not that he was alone not trying. As far as willian is concerned i think he's staying put at chelsea, so alternatively He may fit this team in creative sense which improves the attack against top teams in epl and ucl. Perisic alone as a winger can be nullified in the big ucl games. In a top team he can shine again with good mentality collectively. As a creative option worth giving a punt.
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Ok mate, we'll just agree to disagree on the mentality oh Mahrez, but I'm 100% certain Jose wont even look at him.
 
prtk0811 said:
What happened at leicester no one knows, Okay maharez was not playing well, but so was every one of them collectively specially the midfeild and defense ,so he also, it was not that he was alone not trying. As far as willian is concerned i think he's staying put at chelsea, so alternatively He may fit this team in creative sense which improves the attack against top teams in epl and ucl. Perisic alone as a winger can be nullified in the big ucl games. In a top team he can shine again with good mentality collectively. As a creative option worth giving a punt.
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Failing to replace Kante + all of their signings failing to make any impact were the defining factors in Leicester's demise. Mahrez played as though he didn't care, as if he had achieved everything he could at Leicester the previous season and was simply going through the motions. Ranieri should have let him leave last summer when he first requested the transfer. I'd wager under a new manager and with the added motivation of playing for a bigger club, Mahrez would look great again.

Not sold in Perisic at all.
 
nyanza said:
They can't really refuse though. The problem would be if he decides on his own to stay not to cause them headaches because of him leaving with no replacement. Which is very likely.
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TBH, from what I gather Real and Barca have been dealt with before on account of 14 and 6 incidents respectively. Atlético have SIXTY-FIVE irregular youth transfers. If they get a sanction for it they had it coming and Griezmann really shouldn't be making allowances/sacrifices for something he has no part in.
 
Brightonian said:
I'm sorry, I know it's very Caf to act as if not wanting Perisic is throwing your toys out of the pram, but I don't want Perisic. It's not because I want someone better - I genuinely don't think he improves the squad we can currently field. In that position, I'd rather get no-one. We already have Martial, Lingard, Young et al.

What we need are a DM to replace Carrick and a top-class, ruthless goalscorer to replace/improve on Rooney and/or Ibra. And possibly a LB.
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There's your answer. You probably want an attacking leftback, while José apparently doesn't. With no leftback providing width suddenly you do need a proper winger and not makeshift wide players that don't really focus on stretching defences.
 
Devil may care said:
I never said he didn't have skills, I said he had a weak mentality, not a guy that would fight for his manager or team, like for instance Willian at Chelsea, when it all fell apart he still played hard for Jose, Mahrez downed tools on Ranieri, I think that would be very much in Jose's mind given his opinion on what happened to Ranieri.
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You didn't describe weak mentalities there, only questionable loyalty and work ethics. Not the same thing. I do agree though that José is unlikely to sign a turncoat.
 
antohan said:
You didn't describe weak mentalities there, only questionable loyalty and work ethics. Not the same thing. I do agree though that José is unlikely to sign a turncoat.
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Jose has signed the salah's cuadrado's and pedro's before so he does have a facination for creative players, Some or the other reason they failed to adapt in the league but it wont be the case with maharez as he is already epl experienced. I'd be disappointed if jose dont have a punt just for his showing last season is the criteria for a conclusion to be reached that he's not ready or worthy to be here.
 
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Time to move away and let things settle down. If it's a winger we're after, I'd rather us buy Forsberg who's been the leading assist-getter in the Bundesliga this past season.
 
More we delay, chances are Inter would budge. They need the money for for buying new players and avoid FFP
 
Given the previous tweet was "first 50 followers and retweets get a signed shirt", and only yielded 33 retweets, its safe to say this is a fake.
 
The official Croatian Football Federation has mentioned that account before..
 
Looks real tbh. Miranda and Kondogbia follow it. Prob more too but can't be arsed looking
 
All you need to do is compare the number of followers he has to his teammates to realise it's almost definitely fake. The account is verified either.

He has over 500k followers on Instagram but just over 7k on Twitter? Ok.
 
His twitter game needs some real work if its a genuine account. Only got 32 RTs when he said the first 50 all get a free signed shirt :lol:
 
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