Ivan Perisic

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Devil may care said:
No no, Lemar or Carrasco would be my choices, only because Dembele isn't aviablable. :D
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Lemar is not available, which is understandable. Atletico would take us to the cleaners for Carrasco after buying Griezmann. Just googled, he has a 100m Euros buyout clause.
 
izec said:
Lemar is not available, which is understandable. Atletico would take us to the cleaners for Carrasco after buying Griezmann. Just googled, he has a 100m Euros buyout clause.
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I don't think Lemar is unavailable, with the exception of Mbappe I think all of Monaco's players are there for the taking, Carrasco does have a stupid buyout clause I know, I was just saying who my choices were, Costa is just the option I'd pick from him, Perisic and Moura.
 
Devil may care said:
Am I getting me Keita's mixed up or is this the lad from Lazio? As I was sure he was off to Atleti.
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I'm talking about the potential list not who we are going to get, some players will move somewhere else and others won't move at all.
 
Looking at some videos of him on youtube he definitely looks like a Mourinho type player.

He is a winger version of Bailly almost. He has the same tenacity, fast reflexes, cool head under pressure, direct playing style and athleticism.
 
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inter-ecco-cosa-perdi-cedendo-perisic-11646

a- Perisic had already given his goodbyes
b- the fee will be 45m euros. Inter will accept it because of Financial Fair play

Characteristics

He's incredibly hardworking. Please watch below the heat map against Fiorentina
He's a beast in counter attacks. He's extremely pacey + he's technically gifted. Such characteristics allow him to do alot of damage even against defences with superior numbers.


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Stats

His stats are impressive 42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists
159 duels won
passing rate 72%
63 successful chances of goal created
88% successful dribbling (44 dribbles)
 
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If it ended with €30m then I have no problems. Very good price and suited for him, and he will add another dimension to our play.

We have been depending on only Valencia to provide us with width all season. Perisic on the left side will provide us with width from both sides now, and we can play with Darmian as a LB for defensive duties as Perisic will be able to take the left flank back and forth with his speed and hard working.

I can see what Jose wants from this signing. He's not a big name or world class beater, but he's going to do a job and anyway, remember that Juve reached final playing with Mandzukic as a winger !
 
devilish said:
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inter-ecco-cosa-perdi-cedendo-perisic-11646

a- Perisic had already given his goodbyes
b- the fee will be 30m euros. Inter will accept it because of Financial Fair play

Characteristics

He's incredibly hardworking. Please watch below the heat map against Fiorentina
He's a beast in counter attacks. He's extremely pacey + he's technically gifted. Such characteristics allow him to do alot of damage even against defences with superior numbers.


heatmap.perisic.fiorentina.2017.jpg


Stats

His stats are impressive 42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists
159 duels won
passing rate 72%
63 successful chances of goal created
88% successful dribbling (44 dribbles)
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I wouldnt call those stats impressive.

42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists = no goals and no assist in half of the games
44 dribbles = Average of a dribble per game.
63 successful chances of goal created = about 1.5 chances created per game.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
I wouldnt call those stats impressive.

42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists = no goals and no assist in half of the games
44 dribbles = Average of a dribble per game.
63 successful chances of goal created = about 1.5 chances created per game.
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Did you even check his stats? His mins per G+A is better than Hazard's in the league.
 
Jose most probably sees Perisic as a dependable left wing back in 5-3-2 formation given his defensive capability and high work rate. Could become the ultimate Croatian version of Valencia :D
 
cheeky_backheel said:
I wouldnt call those stats impressive.

42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists = no goals and no assist in half of the games
44 dribbles = Average of a dribble per game.
63 successful chances of goal created = about 1.5 chances created per game.
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Im only translating the article. Dont shoot the messenger and all that
 
roonster09 said:
Did you even check his stats? His mins per G+A is better than Hazard's in the league.
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No It is not.
Perisic 11 goals + 8 assists in 36 games (2751 mins)
Hazzard 16 goals + 6 assists in 36 games (2985 min)

If one digs deeper, you can easily see that they are on different levels.

Chances Created per 90min: Perisic 2.0, Hazard 2.68
Successful take on per 9min: Perisic 1.34, Hazard 4.40
Fouls suffered per 90 mins: Perisic 0.49, Hazard 3.05.

The kind of influence Hazard can have on a game, Perisic cant even dream of.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't think Lemar is unavailable, with the exception of Mbappe I think all of Monaco's players are there for the taking, Carrasco does have a stupid buyout clause I know, I was just saying who my choices were, Costa is just the option I'd pick from him, Perisic and Moura.
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What about mahrez?
 
cheeky_backheel said:
No It is not.
Perisic 11 goals + 8 assists in 36 games (2751 mins)
Hazzard 16 goals + 6 assists in 36 games (2985 min)

If one digs deeper, you can easily see that they are on different levels.

Chances Created per 90min: Perisic 2.0, Hazard 2.68
Successful take on per 9min: Perisic 1.34, Hazard 4.40
Fouls suffered per 90 mins: Perisic 0.49, Hazard 3.05.

The kind of influence Hazard can have on a game, Perisic cant even dream of.
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Perisic - 11 goals + 8 assists in 2751 mins - 144 mins per goal+assist
Hazard - 16 goals (2 from penalties) + 5 assists in 2985 mins - 142 mins per goal+assist, 157 mins per G+A excluding penalties

So yes, if you don't include penalty goals then Perisic has better ratio.

Perisic and Hazard are obviously different type of players and Hazard is in completely different class. If you rate Perisic by his dribbles then you are doing it wrong way.

Perisic won't be our star player or someone who carries our attack. He will be our Willian.
 
30 m will be good business for a player of his quality. Must be his cnutish face that people are ticked off for no apparent reason. Should start writing some dour blogs to get mass forum approval.

Edit: But it's not 30m
 
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devilish said:
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inter-ecco-cosa-perdi-cedendo-perisic-11646

a- Perisic had already given his goodbyes
b- the fee will be 30m euros. Inter will accept it because of Financial Fair play

Characteristics

He's incredibly hardworking. Please watch below the heat map against Fiorentina
He's a beast in counter attacks. He's extremely pacey + he's technically gifted. Such characteristics allow him to do alot of damage even against defences with superior numbers.


heatmap.perisic.fiorentina.2017.jpg


Stats

His stats are impressive 42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists
159 duels won
passing rate 72%
63 successful chances of goal created
88% successful dribbling (44 dribbles)
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It says that the fee is over €45m in that article. €30m+ profit for Inter.
 
devilish said:
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inter-ecco-cosa-perdi-cedendo-perisic-11646

a- Perisic had already given his goodbyes
b- the fee will be 30m euros. Inter will accept it because of Financial Fair play

Characteristics

He's incredibly hardworking. Please watch below the heat map against Fiorentina
He's a beast in counter attacks. He's extremely pacey + he's technically gifted. Such characteristics allow him to do alot of damage even against defences with superior numbers.


heatmap.perisic.fiorentina.2017.jpg


Stats

His stats are impressive 42 games, 11 goals and 12 assists
159 duels won
passing rate 72%
63 successful chances of goal created
88% successful dribbling (44 dribbles)
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It says that the offer is 45m Euros which would mean Inter have a net profit of 30m Euros.
 
KM said:
It says that the offer is 45m Euros which would mean Inter have a net profit of 30m Euros.
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Time to change my words then. 45m is crap and Inter will be the most benefited side from this deal. Ed would be an idiot if he agreed to their terms while they are the ones forced to buy.
 
I think he will be brilliant addition to our team. He has pace dribbling ability trickery. He ticks all the boxes I hope this we can get him sign
 
roonster09 said:
Perisic - 11 goals + 8 assists in 2751 mins - 144 mins per goal+assist
Hazard - 16 goals (2 from penalties) + 5 assists in 2985 mins - 142 mins per goal+assist, 157 mins per G+A excluding penalties

So yes, if you don't include penalty goals then Perisic has better ratio.

Perisic and Hazard are obviously different type of players and Hazard is in completely different class. If you rate Perisic by his dribbles then you are doing it wrong way.

Perisic won't be our star player or someone who carries our attack. He will be our Willian.
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He cant be our Willian cos willian offers much more, particularly on set pieces.

I dont get people trying to make Perisic to be more than he actually is and has always been. There is a reason why he is playing for Inter at 28. He is simply not the caliber of players will should be spending so much money on.

For a fully equipped team, I can see how adding him on the cheap for squad depth and diversity would work, but not for us at our current stage where we dont have enough core talent to build a team around. (if true) Paying so much money for Perisic at this stage of his career just smells like a short term high risk gamble to me that could leave us with a lot of egg on our face. There has to be better talent and value in the market.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
He cant be our Willian cos willian offers much more, particularly on set pieces.

I dont get people trying to make Perisic to be more than he actually is and has always been. There is a reason why he is playing for Inter at 28. He is simply not the caliber of players will should be spending so much money on.

For a fully equipped team, I can see how adding him on the cheap for squad depth and diversity would work, but not for us at our current stage where we dont have enough core talent to build a team around. (if true) Paying so much money for Perisic at this stage of his career just smells like a short term high risk gamble to me that could leave us with a lot of egg on our face. There has to be better talent and value in the market.
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So ManUtd can only sign one player this summer?

Better talent doesn't always mean better team. Btw he offers more than Willian, for a start he has end product and can use both feet.

So playing for Inter at this age means he is not a player worth chasing? Thank God SAF didn't use this kind of logic.
 
roonster09 said:
So ManUtd can only sign one player this summer?

Better talent doesn't always mean better team. Btw he offers more than Willian, for a start he has end product and can use both feet.

So playing for Inter at this age means he is not a player worth chasing? Thank God SAF didn't use this kind of logic.
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When did SAF buy a 28 year old attacking player from a team that finished 7th in probably the 4th best league in Europe? And its not like Perisic is the shining light of that team. Plus its not like he has any experience of having played in the PL before. If Jose wants him and we do sign him then of course everyone is going to fully get behind him. But lets call a spade a spade and there's no getting away from the fact that on paper this will be a hugely underwhelming signing.

Maybe Jose wants him to do a specific job and can get the best out of him but so far in his career he has done nothing to show that he deserves to be playing for an elite club like Man Utd (I know at the moment we aren't amongst the elite but surely that's where we are headed and aspire to be).
 
King7Eric said:
When did SAF buy a 28 year old attacking player from a team that finished 7th in probably the 4th best league in Europe? And its not like Perisic is the shining light of that team. Plus its not like he has any experience of having played in the PL before. If Jose wants him and we do sign him then of course everyone is going to fully get behind him. But lets call a spade a spade and there's no getting away from the fact that on paper this will be a hugely underwhelming signing.

Maybe Jose wants him to do a specific job and can get the best out of him but so far in his career he has done nothing to show that he deserves to be playing for an elite club like Man Utd (I know at the moment we aren't amongst the elite but surely that's where we are headed and aspire to be).
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Ashley Young was just 2 years when we signed him up
 
devilish said:
Ashley Young was just 2 years when we signed him up
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Young was easily the best player of that Villa side and he had been a consistently good player in the PL for 3-4 years before we signed him up. Neither of these apply to Perisic. Moreover I'm sure most at that time felt as well that Young was an underwhelming signing. He's not exactly pulled up many trees in his time here has he? He's a decent squad player and as I said maybe that's how Jose sees Perisic but the thing is at that time we were the PL champions with a good team and could sign such supplementary players. At this moment we need players that will take us up a level to make a title challenge.
 
King7Eric said:
When did SAF buy a 28 year old attacking player from a team that finished 7th in probably the 4th best league in Europe? And its not like Perisic is the shining light of that team. Plus its not like he has any experience of having played in the PL before. If Jose wants him and we do sign him then of course everyone is going to fully get behind him. But lets call a spade a spade and there's no getting away from the fact that on paper this will be a hugely underwhelming signing.

Maybe Jose wants him to do a specific job and can get the best out of him but so far in his career he has done nothing to show that he deserves to be playing for an elite club like Man Utd (I know at the moment we aren't amongst the elite but surely that's where we are headed and aspire to be).
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Oh stop being a miserable sod. We've had plenty of underwhelming signings (at the time) Park, Evra, Vidic, Sheringham just to name a few. He's 28 not 36. We can get 4 good seasons out of him maybe more depending how he looks after himself. United don't always need the flash signings but I'm sure that will come with Griezmann.
 
roonster09 said:
So ManUtd can only sign one player this summer?

Better talent doesn't always mean better team. Btw he offers more than Willian, for a start he has end product and can use both feet.

So playing for Inter at this age means he is not a player worth chasing? Thank God SAF didn't use this kind of logic.
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Willian is a better player than Perisic imo. You are free to think otherwise.

He is likely not the only signing but we also cant sign 25 new players.We are liely signing 4-6 players and given our current state, each of them has to count.

Better talent doesnt mean a better team, but sufficient talent is required. You cannot build a great team based on mediocrity. We dont have enough talent in our current squad and it is silly to be adding more mediocre players.

If he is playing for Inter at 28, after playing for Sochaux, Brugges, Dortmund and Wolfsburg, scream he is not some high caliber player. Top players to languish in mid table teams when they are at the peak of their career.

SAF, like most managers had his success and failures and making references to him does not make your argument any stronger.

Perisic is an average player imo and I dont think we can afford the luxury of overpaying for average players at this point. Put another way, his contributions (above the incumbent alternative) for the 2-3yrs he is likely to offer, is not worth 45m rumored price tag. That money can be spent on a better and/or younger player imo.
 
Anything more on this? Been a fair bit posted since I last read yesterday... tl;dr please?
 
King7Eric said:
When did SAF buy a 28 year old attacking player from a team that finished 7th in probably the 4th best league in Europe? And its not like Perisic is the shining light of that team. Plus its not like he has any experience of having played in the PL before. If Jose wants him and we do sign him then of course everyone is going to fully get behind him. But lets call a spade a spade and there's no getting away from the fact that on paper this will be a hugely underwhelming signing.

Maybe Jose wants him to do a specific job and can get the best out of him but so far in his career he has done nothing to show that he deserves to be playing for an elite club like Man Utd (I know at the moment we aren't amongst the elite but surely that's where we are headed and aspire to be).
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Why only attacking player? Where was Schmeichel playing when we signed him?
Bruce was also 27 year old playing for some midtable team or team that punched above it's weight when ManUtd signed him.
VDS was 35 year old playing for Fulham,
Irwin was 25 year old playing in second division,
31 year old Sheringham who was playing for team that finished 10th in PL,
Saha was 25-26 and was playing for Fulham that finished 13 and 14th
25 year old Vidic playing in Russian league
We signed Berbatov when he was 27 and from that team that finished 11th in the league.
Ashley young when he was 26-27 and from that team that finished 9th.


Bold part is your problem. Games are not won on the paper.
 
SSSSnake said:
Oh stop being a miserable sod. We've had plenty of underwhelming signings (at the time) Park, Evra, Vidic, Sheringham just to name a few. He's 28 not 36. We can get 4 good seasons out of him maybe more depending how he looks after himself. United don't always need the flash signings but I'm sure that will come with Griezmann.
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Firstly there's nothing here for me to be miserable. Jose's our manager and if he feels we need Perisic then like I said I'll back him like any other player.

Secondly, I don't know about you but Park and Vidic weren't underwhelming signings for me. You could see the potential Vidic had while signing Park was always going to have benefits even beyond the football pitch.

Thirdly, I never said anything about Utd signing flashy players. I've said before in these forums I'm not a fan of the Galactico signing policy, I prefer we build our own stars like we used to. But there's a difference between buying a good player with potential to improve and buying an average player who probably isn't gonna improve much. For me Perisic falls in the latter category and hence my labelling him an underwhelming signing on paper. But as I've said if Jose wants him to improve the team then so be it. He's our manager and we'll support him. Simple as that.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
He cant be our Willian cos willian offers much more, particularly on set pieces.

I dont get people trying to make Perisic to be more than he actually is and has always been. There is a reason why he is playing for Inter at 28. He is simply not the caliber of players will should be spending so much money on.

For a fully equipped team, I can see how adding him on the cheap for squad depth and diversity would work, but not for us at our current stage where we dont have enough core talent to build a team around. (if true) Paying so much money for Perisic at this stage of his career just smells like a short term high risk gamble to me that could leave us with a lot of egg on our face. There has to be better talent and value in the market.
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This.

I like Perisic from the little I have seen, and wouldn't mind him here, but the fee being touted for him is extreme, considering Wolfsburg sold him to Inter for £10m. He's decent, but I don't see what he has done for his value for more than triple.

The fee that is being banded about could be a reasonable bid for Sanchez, given his situation at Arsenal; coming to the end of his contract, no CL etc. and he would be the right calibre player.

He would add good depth and a different option, but I just don't see Perisic being the player who elevates us to the next level. We finished 6th, and we need to be gunning for top 2/3 minimum next year, as well as getting as far as we can in the CL. I don't think we are short on squad players right now. We are short on established first team players who can be relied on. The attack, bar Zlatan, has been a revolving door this season. Everyone had a chance and nobody really took it and cemented their place. I'm all for buying squad players if we have the quality already, but it's clear we need to improve on what we have.
 
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