Ivan Perisic

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el3mel said:
Yes, some young talents can perform immediately, some aren't. IMO it's a total gamble to build the full team on young talents as you will get both of these types. You need to have both good young talents and players at their prime to help these talents. You can't build a team of over 30 player but you can't also on 20 players, unless you are a club with zero pressure on it as Monaco.

We have some young talents already in the team so why add more ? We should be gunning for players at their prime already. Can't see the benefit of adding more youngsters to Rashford ,Martial and Pogba as if they aren't enough, especially in the current state of the club, which demands immediate success and pressure is everywhere on the manager and the team.
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I agree that there should be a balance in age but if you are going to bring in a 28 year old who isn't even in the top 50 players in the world, make sure you don't pay £40m.

Whatever anyones opinion on age is, I think its obvious he isn't worth the money. I'll take him for 15-25m, but nowhere near what is being rumoured. Sanchez cost 30m, Hazard cost 32m. Both of them are 100x better and cheaper. Woodward needs to pull his thumb out and stop making Man Utd the laughing stock of the Transfer Market every year.
 
Nori- said:
I agree that there should be a balance in age but if you are going to bring in a 28 year old who isn't even in the top 50 players in the world, make sure you don't pay £40m.

Whatever anyones opinion on age is, I think its obvious he isn't worth the money. I'll take him for 15-25m, but nowhere near what is being rumoured. Sanchez cost 30m, Hazard cost 32m. Both of them are 100x better and cheaper. Woodward needs to pull his thumb out and stop making Man Utd the laughing stock of the Transfer Market every year.
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That's what I agree on. 40m is too much for him. I'll get him for no more than 30m. 15m also seems too low tbf in the current era of football. About 30m is a good price for him. Not too low, not too high.

But Ed always loves to overprice any player he wants to bring anyway so I gave up on him.
 
Apparently Chelsea had a bid of 30m turned down for Perisic. What we're being quoted doesn't seem that outlandish to me.
 
el3mel said:
Look, I didn't watch Perisic at all except for some videos on YouTube so I don't really know much of him. I'm talking about the obsession with young age in general, not just in this case.

And who said Perisic will prevent Griezmann from coming ?
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Well I watched a lot of Inter games, particularly against the big teams (Juve, Roma, Napoli, Milan derby etc) and he is average.

He has low football iq, is slow making decisions on the ball ( which is fine in Serie A but wont hold up in PL), often cuts in into traffic and his final ball leaves so much to be desired. One would expect with being alongside Icardi, he would be ranking up assists. The only positves I can think of i that he is 2-footed and his height makes him very good in the air against fullbacks. He is also stupid and likes to put his hand on other players (e.g. Cuadrado and Morata) which would easily get him sent off.

I am not saying Perisic would prevent Griezmann but using Griezmann as an example of the quality of players we should be signing if the age is >25. Under no circumstance should we sign a player like Perisic even if he was available for free.
 
He's very quick, has a good mentality, and works very hard. Typical Mourinho player.

Damien Duff wasn't exactly Messi, but formed an integral part of Chelsea's best ever team under Jose. He might only be here for a season or two but would definitely add someting worth having.
 
NK86 said:
So nothing concrete, no quotes or anything. Just the usual Sky sources bs. I don't how this is different to any other rumour.
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Kaveh Solhekol from Sky seems to be the one talked about him. Still don't know if it's his source or not. I used to trust him, BTW.

 
DarkXaero said:
Maybe the plan is to convert him into a leftback and he's our second choice target after Mendy? (who seems to be going to City)
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I hope so. Jose wanted to sign Valencia back when he was a winger in 2011 with plans to convert him into a RB. But I don't think that's very likely. You don't play 40m for someone and then play him in a position he has never played before.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Well I watched a lot of Inter games, particularly against the big teams (Juve, Roma, Napoli, Milan derby etc) and he is average.

He has low football iq, is slow making decisions on the ball ( which is fine in Serie A but wont hold up in PL), often cuts in into traffic and his final ball leaves so much to be desired. One would expect with being alongside Icardi, he would be ranking up assists. The only positves I can think of i that he is 2-footed and his height makes him very good in the air against fullbacks. He is also stupid and likes to put his hand on other players (e.g. Cuadrado and Morata) which would easily get him sent off.

I am not saying Perisic would prevent Griezmann but using Griezmann as an example of the quality of players we should be signing if the age is >25. Under no circumstance should we sign a player like Perisic even if he was available for free.
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You made me hate him before he comes already. :D

Can't really compete with you on this as I don't watch Seriea A at all except for some Roma games for Salah as he's of the same nationality as mine, so I can't give a constant and accurate opinion on. I only watched some YouTube videos but I understand they never give the full view.

However, I'm sure that we will still bring quality players with or without Perisic coming. I'm still not worried.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
He's very quick, has a good mentality, and works very hard. Typical Mourinho player.

Damien Duff wasn't exactly Messi, but formed an integral part of Chelsea's best ever team under Jose. He might only be here for a season or two but would definitely add someting worth having.
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The closest Mourinho player in style would be Malouda but Malouda was a better player in his prime, particularly in front of goal.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Some thoughts from Forza Inter forums:

















Sounds like a Jose player alright. Lets see him in a United shirt and see how he does before criticising Jose and Perisic.
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Found just this comment there now :

I am not surprised. I went to their forum. Most of them consider him average. They think it's not certain Perisic would start instead of Martial and spending anything more than 30m would be crazy and a waste of money.
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He probably meant me on that 30m part. :lol:
 
We dont need more squad player. Anyone over 27 should be top 10 in their position.

Has di mario said anything ? when it comes to Italian clubs he' usually spot on
 
el3mel said:
Kaveh Solhekol from Sky seems to be the one talked about him. Still don't know if it's his source or not. I used to trust him, BTW.

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You can't trust any journalists from Sky. The only journalists who know what is really going on are the ones with access to Woodward who occasionally leaks stuff to them to manage expectations. So ducker, Ian Herbert, ogden and i think one bbc guy who I don't follow. So far all silent so probably nonsense.

Reports out of Italy are usually the players agents trying to get their clients a move. Ivan perisic is big, 2 footed and has high mobility but his final ball is pretty poor and seems inconsistent. Goal and assist return is only average. 36M pounds is too much for him, probably 25-30 is what he's worth given his age.
 
engulfing said:
You can't trust any journalists from Sky. The only journalists who know what is really going on are the ones with access to Woodward who occasionally leaks stuff to them to manage expectations. So ducker, Ian Herbert, ogden and i think one bbc guy who I don't follow. So far all silent so probably nonsense.

Reports out of Italy are usually the players agents trying to get their clients a move. Ivan perisic is big, 2 footed and has high mobility but his final ball is pretty poor and seems inconsistent. Goal and assist return is only average. 36M pounds is too much for him, probably 25-30 is what he's worth given his age.
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This guy who wrote the tweet was a previous reporter at Times so he's probably English, too. For BBC guy you mean Simon Stones ?

I trust all the journalists you mentioned except Ogden, never trusted him.

Also disagrees on the Italian journalism part because you forgot Di Marzio is one of them.
 
Summit said:
Is Perisic better than Martial then? I'm talking about the Martial that we all know he's capable of too.
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If we're spending 40m on a 28 year old then surely he must be considered as a first teamer
 
abhayselvan said:
He'll be a better fit for them as a wing back.
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See I actually think he'd be superb at Chelsea in that formation. As a wing-back he'd utilise his main assets: unbelievable engine, great work rate, good defensive ability, plus it would allow him to get forward. Not to mention he's 6'2, tall and strong and decent at defending set pieces. If we played that system I'd be buzzing.
I'm warming to him coming here anyway to be honest. Can't say I can hold a candle to Mourinho's knowledge so it's probably time I put faith in Mourinho's decision making with this transfer!
 
Devil may care said:
Except his entire post is based on the premise that we are going to play 4-4-2, something Jose has never used in his entire career.
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Whether 442 or 4231 or 433, we need genuine width. On top of that, Perisic provides defensive workrate, consistency of international level and strong mentality.

He ticks all the boxes for Mourinho imo. Whatever the nature of these rumours, I think he would be a good signing. That is what the essence of @Peyroteo 's post was.
 
Summit said:
Is Perisic better than Martial then? I'm talking about the Martial that we all know he's capable of too.
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Honestly, no. I've watched almost all of Inter's league games this season and he's definitely a good player, but Inter are a bit fecked at the moment and not a single player, not even Icardi, has played particularly well consistently, so it must be said that moving to a more stable club might suit Perisic. However, he doesn't quite have that potential magic that Martial has. Also doesn't have the output. But then Perisic brings a lot more to the table: engine, defending, work rate etc. In a 4-3-3 where we're sitting our forwards up high, I'd take Martial all day, but with the defensive instructions given to Martial in a Mourinho system, Perisic is probably more suitable. Maybe it's good for Martial anyway, might give him a chance to learn a bit from Perisic in terms of what Mourinho wants. Martial's ceiling eclipses anything Perisic is capable of though, so I'd be okay with this signing provided it doesn't force Martial out.
 
el3mel said:
This guy who wrote the tweet was a previous reporter at Times so he's probably English, too. For BBC guy you mean Simon Stones ?

I trust all the journalists you mentioned except Ogden, never trusted him.

Also disagrees on the Italian journalism part because you forgot Di Marzio is one of them.
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Its not about which paper they work though, delaney is now with the independent but probably still doesn't have access as hes still putting out random stuff. Ya Simon Stones. Woodward just picked 4 he could work with and trusted and gives them information when it suits us. In return they don't write random nonsense like everyone else probably on the pain of losing that access.

Agree that di marzio is some times reliable, probably has access to some Italian clubs. Doesn't come from united though, which ultimately it will come from if we do anything.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Perisic is not superior to lingard at his age and price. Inter are a crappy team and him being one of their better players does not equate to him being good enough for United. He has done nothing in the past 2 season to raise his value from the €19m Inter paid Wolfsburg
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Whatever man. I don't even know where to start. Maybe it'll be better if you go to the City thread and discuss their transfers.
 
engulfing said:
Its not about which paper they work though, delaney is now with the independent but probably still doesn't have access as hes still putting out random stuff. Ya Simon Stones. Woodward just picked 4 he could work with and trusted and gives them information when it suits us. In return they don't write random nonsense like everyone else probably on the pain of losing that access.

Agree that di marzio is some times reliable, probably has access to some Italian clubs. Doesn't come from united though, which ultimately it will come from if we do anything.
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Well thanks for the information. I will take it into consideration when following these journalists.
 
By signing him we'll have a new holy trinity made up of shite workhorses, Fellaini-Lingard-Perisic. Funny thing is, that'll probably end up being our attack when we come up against any top team next season.
 
jungledrums said:
Honestly, no. I've watched almost all of Inter's league games this season and he's definitely a good player, but Inter are a bit fecked at the moment and not a single player, not even Icardi, has played particularly well consistently, so it must be said that moving to a more stable club might suit Perisic. However, he doesn't quite have that potential magic that Martial has. Also doesn't have the output. But then Perisic brings a lot more to the table: engine, defending, work rate etc. In a 4-3-3 where we're sitting our forwards up high, I'd take Martial all day, but with the defensive instructions given to Martial in a Mourinho system, Perisic is probably more suitable. Maybe it's good for Martial anyway, might give him a chance to learn a bit from Perisic in terms of what Mourinho wants. Martial's ceiling eclipses anything Perisic is capable of though, so I'd be okay with this signing provided it doesn't force Martial out.
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I doubt he will force a Martial out. He will be healthy competition and above all gives us added consistency in our wing options. Which I feel we kinda lost with Young becoming a full time fullbavk
 
el3mel said:
That's what I agree on. 40m is too much for him. I'll get him for no more than 30m. 15m also seems too low tbf in the current era of football. About 30m is a good price for him. Not too low, not too high.

But Ed always loves to overprice any player he wants to bring anyway so I gave up on him.
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Mciahel Goodman said:
Apparently Chelsea had a bid of 30m turned down for Perisic. What we're being quoted doesn't seem that outlandish to me.
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It's natural for clubs to overbid when United are in for their player. As long as the overcharging is within limits of reason (within 40 million Euros in this case), I don't see a problem.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I doubt he will force a Martial out. He will be healthy competition and above all gives us added consistency in our wing options. Which I feel we kinda lost with Young becoming a full time fullbavk
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Exactly. He also brings different characteristics to the table, which is good. People are moaning about the age, but that's the biggest indicator that he's there to provide cover for a developing Martial, not to replace him.
 
Hawks2008 said:
By signing him we'll have a new holy trinity made up of shite workhorses, Fellaini-Lingard-Perisic. Funny thing is, that'll probably end up being our attack when we come up against any top team next season.
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and then we are surprised why we don't make it to top 4
 
Hawks2008 said:
By signing him we'll have a new holy trinity made up of shite workhorses, Fellaini-Lingard-Perisic. Funny thing is, that'll probably end up being our attack when we come up against any top team next season.
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devilish said:
and then we are surprised why we don't make it to top 4
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So you think it was Fellaini and Lingard's fault we didn't make top four? Their job was to plug tactical holes in the team, which they did pretty well.

You guys really need to take it easy on the moaning. Whatever the outcome of these rumours, none of us can claim to know how teams are built better than Mourinho.
 
SirMattBugsby said:
So you think it was Fellaini and Lingard's fault we didn't make top four? Their job was to plug tactical holes in the team, which they did pretty well.

You guys really need to take it easy on the moaning. Whatever the outcome of these rumours, none of us can claim to know how teams are built better than Mourinho.
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I am saying that these sort of players aren't MUQ standard especially Fellaini whose the personification of anti football. No top quality side would try to bypass the midfield to hit a beanpole's head. We're not Stoke

We need better talent then that.
 
Guys I think its worth it to remember that when Van Gaal signed the Schmidfield the Caf was as close to universal agreement as a board can get but both players struggled to make an impact here and were gone within eighteen months, this is a signing we all seem to hate but maybe, just maybe Mourinho knows exactly how he'd use him. I don't agree with this but I'd give the manager a chance seeing as it is his neck on the block.
 
I'm all for the "trust the manager" line of thought but it really is disappointing if we're actually in for Perisic. Not just because I think he's average at best but also because of the "type" of player he is. Was hoping we'd move to a more attacking system but if we're signing the likes of Perisic to be first choice wingers, we're going to put more emphasis on defensive work rate and putting in a shift than actual quality with the ball. It's fine for squad players but if we're spending top bucks on a player in his late 20s for the first team, you gotta hope for better value for the buck.
 
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