Ivan Perisic

[cheeky_backheel]

Your dear Hazard was ball watching while the fullback Juanfran was putting in the cross that led to the equalizer and changed the game. Chelsea would have possibly been in the final if Hazard paid more attention on defence.

Here is another one, in which CR7 stays upfield while Lahm and Ribery are overloading his LB leading to a late winner for Bayern and eventually costing Madrid a trip to the final


Forwards need to track back to help out the defnce, particular when a quality side is pushing forward for a goal. Its hard enough for defenders in 1v1, but 2v1 will likely result in your team conceding. A striker can avoid it if he can pin the fullback down or put the game out of reach.

Now here is Griezmann (from 1:20) and it doesnt make him a lesser player or dogsbody

 

[Paxi]

No, if you put Harrop in ahead of a Perisic at Inter I think you would see Harrop get the same if not better numbers.

How did you come up with that? How many senior games has Harrop make?

 

[Obiorahking_]

I take it they both made team of the year then and picked up plenty of awards to back that up? or is this on the who scored arbitrary rating system?

Team of the yeaand awards are subjective and not concrete facts, but answer me this: Is there any other playmaking cm in the league you would have in our team over Pogba;likewise, would you take any other left back you would take over Marcos Alonso this year?

Besides, regardless of what you answer to those quesitons are,both of those players performed very well this season despite switching to a different league.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

Anyway if we genuinely do sign Perisic for 50-60m I will reconsider my love for football. The world has gone utterly mad when you pay that much for a journeyman, and I was one that loved the idea of spunking out a load of cash on Pogba, but it was clear he was worth it.

There is literally no point to this signing, playing and trusting youth would be a better deal.

I think this is Mourinhos first biggest mistake he's made since he's taken over if this transfer happens. And I really want it to work out but if we become an average team due to signings like these it would be time Mourinho should leave.

Hopefully this isn't the start of the end for him.

 

[Devil may care]

Your dear Hazard was ball watching while the fullback Juanfran was putting in the cross that led to the equalizer and changed the game. Chelsea would have possibly been in the final if Hazard paid more attention on defence.

Here is another one, in which CR7 stays upfield while Lahm and Ribery are overloading his LB leading to a late winner for Bayern and eventually costing Madrid a trip to the final


Forwards need to track back to help out the defnce, particular when a quality side is pushing forward for a goal. Its hard enough for defenders in 1v1, but 2v1 will likely result in your team conceding. A striker can avoid it if he can pin the fullback down or put the game out of reach.

Now here is Griezmann (from 1:20) and it doesnt make him a lesser player or dogsbody

Mistakes happen, completely neutering top class attacking players because you want them to trudge about is complete horseshit, if Jose set out to outplay teams rather than choke the life out of the game with his negative tactics maybe Hazard and Ronaldo would have already put the game to bed at the other end.

 

[Scorpy]

Exactly, if we can't get actual top quality players then just give the kids a shot rather than spunking huge sums on mediocre journeymen.

Fully agreed. I still refuse to believe this shite, but the deal sadly looks inevitable.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

How did you come up with that? How many senior games has Harrop made?

Harrop has shown he can take it to the next level in the youth teams. It's clear he just needs a run of games and his natural ability i.e. Dribbling and awareness of the game is very good for a player of his age.

 

[Devil may care]

Because one is a seasoned international and the other is 20 year old who just made his debut. We already have plenty young players in and around the team. Signing Perisic will add experience.

Seasoned international means zero, Milner is a seasoned international and I would never have wanted him anywhere near a United team. Experience is a crutch used to justify these kinds of players, Ashely Young is the same. Buying utter mediocrity for enormous fees isn't going to get us back on track any faster than giving young talents a chance.

 

[Red Devil Rising]

I'm sure devil may care was gutted we beat Ajax just because he didn't have a stick to then beat Mourinho with.

 

[Obiorahking_]

Josh Harrop would be a better player ahead of Perisic and it's not even the fact he scored a goal on his debut it's the fact that he has more talent and he would be willing to do everything for the team just like Perisic would.

Even if your statement about Harrop's talent is true, you could say that about every other academy prospect. It takes a lot more than raw talent to be a successful pro nevermind one of Inters best players who gets 10 goals and 6 assists.

 

[Paxi]

Harrop has shown he can take it to the next level in the youth teams. It's clear he just needs a run of games and his natural ability i.e. Dribbling and awareness of the game is very good for a player of his age.

Ahh okay, so you rate Harrop's youth games over Perisic's experience at international level and countless appearances at a senior level. Okay.

 

[Devil may care]

Fully agreed. I still refuse to believe this shite, but the deal sadly looks inevitable.

It's a horrible indicator of how Mourinho wants to play as well as just being a crap buy.

 

[King Kendrick]

Going back to his Dortmund days, I never saw him play and thought "wow this guy is United quality." Especially if we'd have to pay 40+ million pounds for him. Even in this market that's outrageous.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

Even if your statement about Harrop's talent is true, you could say that about every other academy prospect. It takes a lot more than raw talent to be a successful pro nevermind one of Inters best players who gets 10 goals and 6 assists.

He's not really one of their best players though. He perfectly epitomizes Inters downfall, a hard working player but ultimately lacks quality.

We need talent in our team and weve had talent for decades. Signings like these only highlight that we can't find talent so go for the most industrious option we can find which does not bode well for the future.

 

[Paxi]

Seasoned international means zero, Milner is a seasoned international and I would never have wanted him anywhere near a United team. Experience is a crutch used to justify these kinds of players, Ashely Young is the same. Buying utter mediocrity for enormous fees isn't going to get us back on track any faster than giving young talents a chance.

Listen pal, every thread you're in you are moaning about this and that. Do you have any pleasure supporting united at all? You're like a fecking dementor around here. Just wait and see what happens.

 

[Devil may care]

I'm sure devil may care was gutted we beat Ajax just because he didn't have a stick to then beat Mourinho with.

Nope, I'm just not going to hang out of his ass because we won it either. if United is only about trophies for you then fine, I want to see us play exciting, attacking football, that hasn't happened for months and now we are linked with the kind of negative workhorse winger Jose used in his previous tumescent sides, he claimed to understand United need to be different to the profile of his other teams, I am simply holding him to this.

 

[Infra-red]

Fingers crossed this is just Inter trying to make a market for a player they want rid of. He's absolutely nowhere near the standard required to make any kind of impact on this team.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

Ahh okay, so you rate Harrop's youth games over Perisic's experience at international level and countless appearances at a senior level. Okay.

We know what Perisic is, an average to crap player who is very inconsistent. Harrop is a very inconsistent player but he has more talent than Perisic could ever dream of.

Give them both a run of games in the same amount of minutes and you will see talent with dedication > journeyman triumphs every day.

 

[Devil may care]

Listen pal, every thread you're in you are moaning about this and that. Do you have any pleasure supporting united at all? You're like a fecking dementor around here. Just wait and see what happens.

I was very happy with our play before Christmas, so yeah, but this is a forum for discussion, don't make it personal, just don't reply if you don't want to hear something you don't like.

 

[Skills]

Here is another one, in which CR7 stays upfield while Lahm and Ribery are overloading his LB leading to a late winner for Bayern and eventually costing Madrid a trip to the final


Forwards need to track back to help out the defnce, particular when a quality side is pushing forward for a goal. Its hard enough for defenders in 1v1, but 2v1 will likely result in your team conceding. A striker can avoid it if he can pin the fullback down or put the game out of reach.

Strangely enough, Ronaldo's made his 3rd Champions League final in 4 seasons since Mourinho's left now. It's probably more accurate to say, Mourinho was the one costing Madrid and Ronaldo trips to the Champions League finals.

 

[Red Devil Rising]

Listen pal, every thread you're in you are moaning about this and that. Do you have any pleasure supporting united at all? You're like a fecking dementor around here. Just wait and see what happens.

This. I came on here about 8 pm last night and he was winging and having a hissy fit, I've just come back on and he's still at it. What a horrible existence.

 

[bond19821982]

I haven't seen him enough except for few Croatia matches so can't comment on his talent. But spending close to 50 who is soon to be 29 (who is not exactly pulling trees in serie A) seems to be bit dump and short sighted.

Put this way, if this was done by liverpool we would be laughing at them.

 

[Stacks]

Team of the yeaand awards are subjective and not concrete facts, but answer me this: Is there any other playmaking cm in the league you would have in our team over Pogba;likewise, would you take any other left back you would take over Marcos Alonso this year?

Besides, regardless of what you answer to those quesitons are,both of those players performed very well this season despite switching to a different league.

To be honest, I am not sure what Pogba's best role is and whether that is as a "playmaker" per se, but as a central player, De Bruyne is far and away the most creative in the league. Cesc and Silva are more effective playmakers and have proved it in the premier league for years. In fact of those 4 players, Pogba has created the least chances, and also averages less per 90 mins and has the least key passes. Cesc has delivered the most in the shortest time (we know his long balls are special) but overall Silva has the best instincts for playmaking in my opinion.

 

[Obiorahking_]

He's not really one of their best players though. He perfectly epitomizes Inters downfall, a hard working player but ultimately lacks quality.

Totally agree mate! Their second most productive player is the reason why Inter stinks. Perhaps if Josh Harrop was their lineup, then they'd finish 2nd!

 

[bucky]

Going back to his Dortmund days, I never saw him play and thought "wow this guy is United quality." Especially if we'd have to pay 40+ million pounds for him. Even in this market that's outrageous.

That's because he couldn't get past Götze, Kagawa, Blaszczykowski and later Reus.

 

[wiz4231]

So excited about being linked with Perisic, great news...

...Mean while at man city
B. Silva - done
K. Walker - in progress
B. Mendy - in progress
Ederson - in progress
D. Costa - in progress

 

[Jacko21]

I think this is Mourinhos first biggest mistake he's made since he's taken over if this transfer happens. And I really want it to work out but if we become an average team due to signings like these it would be time Mourinho should leave.

Hopefully this isn't the start of the end for him.

You've taken a rumour about a player and somehow ended by curtailing Mourinho's career at United.

Peak Caf.

 

[Obiorahking_]

I swear Caf logic makes no sense. How many teams a player has been on is apparently a barometer for how good the player is.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

Totally agree mate! Their second most productive player is the reason why Inter stinks. Perhaps if Josh Harrop was their lineup, then they'd finish 2nd!

They may be in the same position or they may be lower, but they wouldn't be that far apart, the fact is this signing for 45m fecking euros is a horrible deal as he will only get worse and not only that but being a good player for Inter isn't the standard we are aiming for.

There is literally no point to this signing. The only good thing is that he is a winger which we don't have but like I said Harrop is a winger and it would be better to give him a chance and put the 45m elsewhere or spend it on a QUALITY player to improve our team. Not keep it at the same average level.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Mistakes happen, completely neutering top class attacking players because you want them to trudge about is complete horseshit, if Jose set out to outplay teams rather than choke the life out of the game with his negative tactics maybe Hazard and Ronaldo would have already put the game to bed at the other end.

You dont try to outplay a superior team. All you end up with is an arse whooping e.g. 5-0 at the Nou camp. That Chelsea squad was crap but they had an opportunity to get to the CL final but that was blown by a lack of concentration by Hazard.

It is the same thing that Ozil gets roasted for as being lazy. When the opponent has the ball, make yourself useful and not just stand around waiting for other players to win the ball back so that you can play superstar. Even Messi tracks back at Barelona and it hasnt made him a lesser player.

Players like Hazard do not track back because they are lazy and I have no problem with a coach trying to get them off their lazy bum.

 

[Stacks]

Even if your statement about Harrop's talent is true, you could say that about every other academy prospect. It takes a lot more than raw talent to be a successful pro nevermind one of Inters best players who gets 10 goals and 6 assists.

Its not special man. Inter are the 7th team in serie A. Its like signing Evertons winger.
Song bagged 14 goals and 6 assists. Zaha got 7 goals and 9 assists but at least Zaha has a high dribble rate. Antonio scored 9 league goals. Why don't we just sign Sigurdsson?
Just remember, Liverpool have Mane.

 

[Z_Wolf]

How do clubs consistently keep making us pay 3x what a player's worth? How do they do it?

 

[Jacky Quacky]

You've taken a rumour about a player and somehow ended by curtailing Mourinho's career at United.

Peak Caf.

Mourinhos career at Chelsea went horribly wrong when he had that awful summer the year after he won the league. Players weren't challenged and stagnated and I'm worried if we don't get quality players the same will happen here.

 

[Devil may care]

You dont try to outplay a superior team. All you end up with is an arse whooping e.g. 5-0 at the Nou camp. That Chelsea squad was crap but they had an opportunity to get to the CL final but that was blown by a lack of concentration by Hazard.

It is the same thing that Ozil gets roasted for as being lazy. When the opponent has the ball, make yourself useful and not just stand around waiting for other players to win the ball back so that you can play superstar. Even Messi tracks back at Barelona and it hasnt made him a lesser player.

Players like Hazard do not track back because they are lazy and I have no problem with a coach trying to get them off their lazy bum.

Of course you don't.

 

[Obiorahking_]

To be honest, I am not sure what Pogba's best role is and whether that is as a "playmaker" per se, but as a central player, De Bruyne is far and away the most creative in the league. Cesc and Silva are more effective playmakers and have proved it in the premier league for years. In fact of those 4 players, Pogba has created the least chances, and also averages less per 90 mins and has the least key passes. Cesc has delivered the most in the shortest time (we know his long balls are special) but overall Silva has the best instincts for playmaking in my opinion.

I was taking about this season. De Bruyne isn't a cm, Cesc couldn't even get in the team half the season and Silva was too inconsistent.

Nevertheless, Pogba and Alonso have overachieved in the EPL transitioning from the Seria A making your intial premise false.

 

[Bojan11]

Nope, I'm just not going to hang out of his ass because we won it either. if United is only about trophies for you then fine, I want to see us play exciting, attacking football, that hasn't happened for months and now we are linked with the kind of negative workhorse winger Jose used in his previous tumescent sides, he claimed to understand United need to be different to the profile of his other teams, I am simply holding him to this.

Funny as @Ban says he isn't a workhorse. I'd trust a Croatians opinion on him than yours. Our wings consist of fecking Jese Lingard.

This is the signing we need to give Martial a kick up the him. Yes the fee is too much, but we rarely get value for money these days.

I'd be happy with this signing as long as we got two other signings in the attacking third.

 

[iamherenow]

we can't sign five or six world class players,I am thinking Jose wants a different dimension in his attack,could be useful in some games..let him come before we pass judgement..depay,adm and the likes came and did jack shit and I bet were heavily praised here before signing them..

would prefer we announce griezmann first before him,maybe people will relax then..

 

[liamp]

Maybe it's a smokescreen and the one we've been poking around for is Icardi

 

[MadMike]

Funny as @Ban says he isn't a workhorse. I'd trust a Croatians opinion on him than yours. Our wings consist of fecking Jese Lingard.

This is the signing we need to give Martial a kick up the him. Yes the fee is too much, but we rarely get value for money these days.

I'd be happy with this signing as long as we got two other signings in the attacking third.

What?

EDIT: And while you're at it, why would you trust the Croatians opinion more? If anything that's more likely to have an inherent bias. I'd argue trusting people who watch Serie A more, regardless of nationality, would be the smartest thing to do.

 

[Hojoon]

Strangely enough, Ronaldo's made his 3rd Champions League final in 4 seasons since Mourinho's left now. It's probably more accurate to say, Mourinho was the one costing Madrid and Ronaldo trips to the Champions League finals.

First season he got knocked out by one of the best teams to ever exist, second season both Real and Barca tired each other out by having a clasico between the semifinals. Third season against Dortmund he takes some responsibility, but Real couldn't get past round of 16 for a while before he came so he did a good job overall in CL with Real, nothing great but nothing terrible.

 

[Paxi]

Mourinhos career at Chelsea went horribly wrong when he had that awful summer the year after he won the league. Players weren't challenged and stagnated and I'm worried if we don't get quality players the same will happen here.

Players were signed by Michael Emenalo. Its widely known Jose wanted different players for Chelsea.

Also, a part of his downfall was that he gave players a longer summer break because he felt that they worked hard all year. Instead of being grateful they took the piss by completely coming back out of shape. But thats on Jose for trusting them.