We'll never make a transfer without them reporting it though, so unless they get in on the action then it isn't happening.
Ivan Perisic
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We'll never make a transfer without them reporting it though, so unless they get in on the action then it isn't happening.
But then the story is so widespread that you'll read about it anyway even if you can wipe the bullshitters from your mind.
I'm not saying blacklist everybody, i actually think all reporters should be held accountable for what they write so blacklisting them let's them get away with it so to speak.
It's just the credit that certain reporters get for having ties within the club that gets me. My pet peeve is the foggy memory excuse. Oh, this twitter account with 3k followers saying Fabinho is Utd bound might not be legit? I remember reading somewhere they broke the Silva to City story didn't they?
No they bloody did not! 10 French twitter accounts must have been given that honour over the course of this summer!
Grrr... Now get off my lawn..
Renaissance?
He's played 15 minutes of a season.
Why can't we aim to have both players in our squad?
Perisic is good at swinging in crosses from the wings (both left and right) and Lukaku is great at positioning himself inside the box and heading them in the goal.
He is also beter than anything we have for taking corners.
I don't know where this myth about him being good at putting in crosses has come from or that he just stays wide. His completion rate is 1 a game where Lemars is 1.6 now of course that does come down to the forwards as well but having watched Peresic for Inter it's mostly due to his poor crossing.
I think the way people have convinced themselves that he is some great player is just outstanding. It's like a Placebo effect.
Also Lukaku isn't Duncan Ferguson although admittedly he is decent in the air; that would have been a better tactic for Zlatan. Lukaku is far better than just some guy who'll get on headers and if that is the only reason people want Peresic then they have been lied to about his ability.
Perisic had one of the lowest conversions rates for anyone that scored 10 league goals last year. literally finishing like Rashford. Again your points are weak. "He can play both wings, he puts crosses in. He is ambidextrous" such an inferior comparison to Martial. You haven't actually divulged his skill sets properly which makes me assume you know nothing of him. At his best Martial has great strength, silky skills, good link up, cool finishing, solo goals, great assists and just a much better attacking threat than Perisic. sorry
I see people have brought up National team performances but they don't really prove anything. He performed well in the qualifiers, however this was against minnows like Malta, Norway, Azerbaijan etc. and even at the tournament he scored all of 2 goals. He was a nothing player in the bundeslinga and while he's serviceable for Inter he isn't better than what we've got. So many people moan about not having traditional wingers but they fail to realise that any half decent attacking left back can do that job and help the likes of Martial and Rashford to thrive without stunting their growth. But this is just the typical caf overhyping everyone we're linked to, if Liverpool or Arsenal wanted him we'd be laughing at them.
Martial has had one good season under Van Gaal so let's not get carried away. I've not used Perisic's crossing as to why I think he'll be a good signing, and I don't pay as much attention to stats as some of you due to them being misleading. I actually base my opinions on watching full games. Based on stats, Ibrahimovich had the worst conversion rate in the league last season.
Martial has alot to prove and it would be better for us as a team to have a additional attacker. (my preference was Ousmane Dembele) Rather than go into the season with just Martial and Rashford who see themselves as strikers, we would be better off with Perisic than without.
Week after week, people just add me attributes to Perisic like he's an edited player.
Week 1: He's 'great' defensively
Week 2: He's a 'great' crosser
Week 3: He's as two footed as they come
Week 4: He's tactically 'excellent' as a #7,#11, #10,#9 and maybe an #8
Week 5: Second best player behind Griezmann in the Euro qualification stage according to Who scored.com
Week 6: He'll be one of the best players in the toughest league he has never played even though his team finished 7th in a poorer league.
Week 7: He can also play LWB too.
Week everyday: He's the only 'traditional' winger around, he's a 'José player', the key to unleash United.
Week -8: Who?
Week 1: He's 'great' defensively
Week 2: He's a 'great' crosser
Week 3: He's as two footed as they come
Week 4: He's tactically 'excellent' as a #7,#11, #10,#9 and maybe an #8
Week 5: Second best player behind Griezmann in the Euro qualification stage according to Who scored.com
Week 6: He'll be one of the best players in the toughest league he has never played even though his team finished 7th in a poorer league.
Week 7: He can also play LWB too.
Week everyday: He's the only 'traditional' winger around, he's a 'José player', the key to unleash United.
Week -8: Who?
The point was, an English Journo broke the Lukaku news. I don't care if he was Chelsea or whatever other club. If you think certain Journos are bad then ignore them.
So much wrong with this point without context.
Week 8: " He can beat the Golden State Warriors"
Okay. Perisic is not world class. Perisic is average. Perisic is not a great crosser. We do not need a traditional winger. Perisic is not as good as what we have. Perisic will be a waste. Etc.
So why in the world does the man who is arguably the world's best manager and the same guy who just signed us Zlatan, Pogba, Miki, Bailly, Lindelof, Matic and Lukaku, seem to want him so badly?
His signings for us have been very good thus far. Remains to be seen how Lindelof gets on in the coming weeks and months.
Spot on mate.
Jose, like any other manager, makes transfer mistakes but since he has been at United, he he has seemed like a man on a mission with a clear plan for building a title winning team. I would rather settle for whoever he wants to sign at the moment until proven otgerwise. If he desperately wants Perisic as many reports have been indicating since January, there must be a specific reason for it.
However way we rate Perisic, the thing to always remember is that at times, a good fit for a team, does not always have to be the best player.
I suspect Jose believes that adding Perisic to a frontline of Lukaku, Martial, Rashford, and Lingard, will only make the team stronger not weaker especially with an improved supporting cast of Miki, Mata, Pogba, Herrera and Matic.
Check out the old posts in the Matic transfer thread. Full of Einsteins declaring how much of a huge mistake / waste of money / make us a laughing stock if we signed him.
I'm gonna go read some of the comments now for a laugh.
Most likely. I do agree that some experience on the wing would be a bonus so I am of agreement there. I feel Perisic would be useful for squad rotation but they money they are asking for is ridiculous for that role. Money does matter to some extent especially when for a bit extra you may try to prize away a true talent.
I never argued about his crossing. But his crossing is better than any of our wide options on either foot. I personally like him due to his two footedness, pace and the ability run in behind. Think he'd be a brilliant outlet down the flank and would cause problems to the quickest of fullbacks as Kyle Walker found in the vid below.
Ok then. He is an excellent finisher. He scored 11 league goals from 80 shots inside the box. Rashford scored 5 league goals from his 34 shots inside the box. Naturally they will not have exactly the same chances however what separates the true finishers is they are dangerous in the box, make more of their attempts in the danger area, create the space to hit the net and find the gaps. Professional footballers don't rely on tap ins as this isn't a training exercise. Perisic converted 0.13% of the shots he took inside the 18 yard box. sounds to me like he may struggle to show his great striking ability in the EPL.
Do you think Heaton and Foster are better GKs than De Gea because they have better save percentage? I'm assuming no, likewise he is a winger and you don't know from which angle and how difficult the chances are. Just going by some selected stats (like of all the players who scored more than 10 goals he has worst conversion rate) doesn't give any meaningful answers. Shots inside the box and Shots outside box counts for nothing if you never watched those chances.
So we're finally right back to "But Jose wants him!!!".
They do though. No attackers get the exact same chances, yet the same players score loads of goals each year. See Robben goals (13 from 49 shots in area). Are all his goals simple chances or does he make the most of finishing ability? Kane converted 24 of 63 attempts in the box (minus pens). that's someone with a great strike. If an attacking player takes 100 shots inside the penalty box and scores 1 goal, he is a useless. Part of being a professional footballer and being paid millions, suggests you should have enough skill to hit the net from your attempts. Basketball players aren't always shooting with a clear path, right under the net, under no duress. What makes Lebron a good scorer is it doesn't matter who is in his way, he is scoring. I am firmly against the idea that a player cannot score if there are players in the box and he is from an angle etc. The goal is massive. Did Mahrez complain when shooting from an angle, or did he use his skill and technique to make it work back in 2016? There is a certain minimum level I expect from a pro and it doesn't involve excuses. Do you think managers say "ah well mate, the angle wasn't ideal, there were defenders there etc etc?" Nope they say hit the bloody net! That's what was always said to me when I played. Don't make excuses, just score if you are truly good at shooting since you are rarely going to get the perfect chance, right in centre of goal, with no one around, keeper lying down, feet firmly planted.
The difference is that Matic is proven in the PL as a title winner on multiple occasions.
The point stands. A bunch of people who have barely seen him play judging him on asinine stats and video games.
Think the average United fan will trust a manager who has racked up countless honours over his illustrious career rather than afew nay sayers on a footy forum. Nemanja Matic being a classic example.
Imagine wanting your manager to get the players he wants. Shocking stuff.
So you think Goal keeper with best save percentage is the best keeper? After all whatever you said is applicable to Goal keepers as well, professional keepers, duty to save the goal and all that.
Feels like that applies to a lot of people on both sides of the argument. Fwiw, I saw Inter a handful of times last year and saw nothing at all that made him stand out as a United quality player. But a handful of times isn't enough to make a proper judgment I guess.
Agreed. You are sensible enough to be aware of that, though.
This thread hasn't died yet? 
Well the Griezmann thread is still going strong, so no surprises here.This thread hasn't died yet?
Time this thread died really, it's not happening.
Before Rooney/Ronaldo came, we won the CL and did very well in Europe.
In around 98, 99, 00 - we were the team to beat. Basically vying for the position of best team in Europe.
Our attack was arguably the best in Europe. Our midfield was probably the best in Europe.
Because it is all pure transfer speculation we have no idea if their is true interest.
Come on it's pretty obvious we have been very interested all summer.
Pretty impressive second touch there, with his left foot. Most players would have ruined the play with it. He just left it precisely on the spot to score.
No, it just shows people don't know how to debate and can only come back with "But Jose wants him!"
Matic is not a good example at all. Matic is a proven player and played in a position we desperately needed a player in. It was fairly obvious he was a good signing and a much needed one. We already have both quality and depth on the left and no amount of his supposed god like crossing will change that.
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