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So having the left back provide width something our right back also does is not complimenting our players, but buying a hit and miss winger who crosses a lot does, makes sense. Also what exactly is a true crosser?

What's the point over over lapping when there's no space to exploit? It's as if overlapping has to be done every time United attack. Perisic doesn't necessarily need an overlap to create space because he can create his own space to deliver into the box however many ways possible. Valencia can push up and hold a higher position, which in turns shortens the pitch for the other team because they are positionally pinned back as pace isn't a problem for Valencia obviously. But Blind and Darmian can't always do this and must sag defensively and understand that runs will be made behind them by the cd

A true crosser of the ball...look at his variety of deliveries from the wing and tell me who has that type of profile in the team. And he does that from both flanks. Mata doesn't whip it in the box, drive down the line and delivers. Perisic compares to peak Ashley Young.
 
Have we ever seen a potential signing divide the fanbase so much? I really can't remember one being as hotly discussed as this across different platforms.

Matic/Lukaku from the last few weeks alone spring to mind.
 
It's been 4 years of no titles.
You want to sacrifice this season....that'll make it 5 seasons.
With Martial/Rash still very young, they won't be reliable for another 2-3 seasons.
So you want us to sacrifice the title race for around 7 years?

I do realise that some of you love Martial or any other youth player, but I am a MUFC fan. I have no loyalty to any particular player...only to the club.
I want to see MUFC win. Plain and simple. We are not Southampton, where we need to develop youth, to sell to the big clubs. We are the big club and we should be aiming to win the title every season...not in 2-3 years time.

In total agreement with this.
 
No.

I mean being a catalyst for a league win.

He will suddenly become one here.
So if he was a "catalyst" for Inter winning the Scudetto last season, would you be happy to see him come into our team?
 
Sheringham was signed by SAF when he was 31. Can't remember him being much of a catalyst for Forest or Spurs in a championship winning run.
 
What's the point over over lapping when there's no space to exploit? It's as if overlapping has to be done every time United attack. Perisic doesn't necessarily need an overlap to create space because he can create his own space to deliver into the box however many ways possible. Valencia can push up and hold a higher position, which in turns shortens the pitch for the other team because they are positionally pinned back as pace isn't a problem for Valencia obviously. But Blind and Darmian can't always do this and must sag defensively and understand that runs will be made behind them by the cd

A true crosser of the ball...look at his variety of deliveries from the wing and tell me who has that type of profile in the team. And he does that from both flanks. Mata doesn't whip it in the box, drive down the line and delivers. Perisic compares to peak Ashley Young.

Read my earlier posts, i don't want darmian or blind as lb , i want utd to buy an actually good one. Like of Rose or even Bertrand will be a huge upgrade and sort out our width issues.

Perisic may be a true crosser but he is inconsistent, people seem to thing he is fecking Beckham. Perisic is not even inter's go to player that is icardi, yet for some unfathomable reasons people expect him to be the guy who will won us the title.
 
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Top player. Real shame we're gonna miss out on him. Inflated transfer market fecked this one up.

Seeing people scream 'WE HAVE MARTIAL" continuously is hilarious. It's like people don't get that Perisic is a different type of player. That the manager wants him to play a certain role, a role which Martial cannot play.
 
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No.

I mean being a catalyst for a league win.

He will suddenly become one here.

Inter was never anywhere close to winning the league. They could have had Ronaldo and they still wouldn't have won. Does that mean you wouldn't want Ronaldo ? :)

The difference is - at United he could be. Because most people agree that one of our biggest weaknesses right now is his position. So if he performs, it could be the difference between winning and ending 2 points behind City. But at the same time - getting Luke Shaw back to fitness, might make the same difference. You never know. I just know I would feel safer if we had one more winger in our team.
 
If Mourinho wants this guy THAT bad...he'd have got him by now.

If Mourinho wants him, he's obviously a good player. I remember the Matic thread, very much like this one, people knew more about him than Mourinho did. The majority were saying they don't want as he's too old, not mobile enough etc etc.

Yes, we could buy Perisic and he could end up being a dud. I remember when we bought Veron. I used absolutely love him at Lazio & he was genuinely a world class player. He was as cert as they came to be successful. Unfortunately, never worked for him.

Transfers are a risky business.
 
Not for me and can't believe there's not another player out there who isn't a viable alternative?
 
No.

I mean being a catalyst for a league win.

He will suddenly become one here.
I don't think anyone's saying he would be a 'catalyst' in a, say, Cantona type way. But it's surely quite reasonable to suggest that he might have a skillset that might give the team more balance and options, and therefore lead to it being more successful?
 
My guess is that we saw Perisic as alternative to Martial and Rashford who can give us something different when we need it and not as main winger on the left side. Someone who will rotate with those two or play a WB when we go with 3 defenders. Basically another squad option rather than player who will start week in week out.

We also probably thought that he will not cost big money. But when Inter put a big price on him we probably decided that it isn't worth paying that money for him. And it is right decision, of course our fan base hyped Perisic way beyond his level as we usually do with all our targets but it is clear that he is far from being a WC player and I think Mourinho thinks the same.

I think we didn't go for other players because Mourinho see the potential in Rashford and Martial and he doesn't want to hurt their progress with bringing someone who would demand to be regular starter and that is the reason we didn't went for Sanchez, Bale, Rodriguez etc.

I am personally fine with not bringing another player and saving the funds for next season.

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My guess is that we saw Perisic as alternative to Martial and Rashford who can give us something different when we need it and not as main winger on the left side. Someone who will rotate with those two or play a WB when we go with 3 defenders. Basically another squad option rather than player who will start week in week out.

We also probably thought that he will not cost big money. But when Inter put a big price on him we probably decided that it isn't worth paying that money for him. And it is right decision, of course our fan base hyped Perisic way beyond his level as we usually do with all our targets but it is clear that he is far from being a WC player and I think Mourinho thinks the same.

I think we didn't went for other players because Mourinho see the potential in Rashford and Martial and he doesn't want to hurt their progress with bringing someone who would demand to be regular starter and that is the reason we didn't went for Sanchez, Bale, Rodriguez etc.

I am personally fine with not bringing another player and saving the funds for next season.
This hurt my brain.

Completely agree with the rest.
 
I am personally fine with not bringing another player and saving the funds for next season.
Don't care too much about this 'saving the funds for next season' business - I think we should be looking to assemble the best team we can now, give them the maximum time to work together, and then (hopefully) there will be less need for multiple signings in future transfer windows. I don't really know enough about Perisic to say that he should be one of those signings though - to me the problem areas are full-back and right wing.
 
Don't care too much about this 'saving the funds for next season' business - I think we should be looking to assemble the best team we can now, give them the maximum time to work together, and then (hopefully) there will be less need for multiple signings in future transfer windows. I don't really know enough about Perisic to say that he should be one of those signings though - to me the problem areas are full-back and right wing.
I agree with you, especially with not buying multiple players every transfer window. And that is also why I am fine with not buying another first team player. We already added 2 new players to our first team and as much it helped us buying 4-5 new players every summer with assembling a squad we have now it also hurted us because there was no continuity.
I think we should work on players we have and try to improve them rather than solving every problem with buying new players.

And about Perisic I watched him quite a lot in NT team and he is good player who would bring something different (width) but at the same time he is not good enough to be regular starter for us. But definitely a good squad option.
 
My guess is that we saw Perisic as alternative to Martial and Rashford who can give us something different when we need it and not as main winger on the left side. Someone who will rotate with those two or play a WB when we go with 3 defenders. Basically another squad option rather than player who will start week in week out.

We also probably thought that he will not cost big money. But when Inter put a big price on him we probably decided that it isn't worth paying that money for him. And it is right decision, of course our fan base hyped Perisic way beyond his level as we usually do with all our targets but it is clear that he is far from being a WC player and I think Mourinho thinks the same.

I think we didn't went for other players because Mourinho see the potential in Rashford and Martial and he doesn't want to hurt their progress with bringing someone who would demand to be regular starter and that is the reason we didn't went for Sanchez, Bale, Rodriguez etc.

I am personally fine with not bringing another player and saving the funds for next season.
Perisic would be a first team player if he was bought. Jose must rate him if he made the effort to go to Croatia to have talks with the player. It seems like the West Ham game has clouded people's judgment. Perisic is better than any thing we have out wide quite comfortably.

Bale doesn't want to join us and I very much doubt Arsenal would want to sell us Sanchez. Rodriguez we don't need due to him being a central player. Mourinho would absolutely take Bale or Sanchez no question if we had a sniff at doing a deal for either player. Mourinho wants to win and needs to win.

Perisic hyped by our fans? He's actually criminally underrated on here. Seems like alot of people just go check stats etc nowadays and form their opinions rather than actually watch him play and point out which facet of his game he fails on.
 
Perisic would be a first team player if he was bought. Jose must rate him if he made the effort to go to Croatia to have talks with the player. It seems like the West Ham game has clouded people's judgment. Perisic is better than any thing we have out wide quite comfortably.

Bale doesn't want to join us and I very much doubt Arsenal would want to sell us Sanchez. Rodriguez we don't need due to him being a central player. Mourinho would absolutely take Bale or Sanchez no question if we had a sniff at doing a deal for either player. Mourinho wants to win and needs to win.

Perisic hyped by our fans? He's actually criminally underrated on here. Seems like alot of people just go check stats etc nowadays and form their opinions rather than actually watch him play and point out which facet of his game he fails on.
No he isn't better then what we have and he would not be regular striker. You are hyping him with saying that. He would bring something different but he is not on a level our first 11 wingers should be. Based on quality he is behind Martial or even Rashford, never mind based on potential. But both Martial and Rashford are more forwards than wingers and they both like to drift inside rahter than make pitch wide like old school winger which Perisic is.
The fact we didn't payed what Inter wanted can tell you that he is not a player you are describing. I don't think we would hesitate to spend what Inter wanted if we saw him as good enough to be our regular striker. But we didn't wanted to spend that much on a squad player what he was meant to be.
 
This is getting silly.
If Mourinho and the board think Perisic could win us the league they'd pay the quoting price by now.

All noises comes from Italia, United's likely walked away at this point
 
No he isn't better then what we have and he would not be regular striker. You are hyping him with saying that. He would bring something different but he is not on a level our first 11 wingers should be. Based on quality he is behind Martial or even Rashford, never mind based on potential. But both Martial and Rashford are more forwards than wingers and they both like to drift inside rahter than make pitch wide like old school winger which Perisic is.
The fact we didn't payed what Inter wanted can tell you that he is not a player you are describing. I don't think we would hesitate to spend what Inter wanted if we saw him as good enough to be our regular striker. But we didn't wanted to spend that much on a squad player what he was meant to be.
The decision to spend money at the club is made by non football men. Mourinho gave his targets to Woodward in February and he left it at that. It's the Glazers and Woodward who make the decisions regarding how much we spend. Mourinho literally begged in press conference's to get Matic.

"Based on quality he's behind Rashford and Martial" Care to explain why you think he's behind them in terms of quality?, what attributes or qualities does he lack in comparison to Martial and Rashford?
 
I dont see the point in discussing this, the possible transfer is well and truly dead. I doubt we will be in for him in the future, he will probably extend his contract and we move on.
 
No.

I mean being a catalyst for a league win.

He will suddenly become one here.

It's almost like football is a team game! Crazy huh

'Catalysts' for league wins (nice backtrack there btw) cost £130m+ thesedays. We're not signing a bloody Mbappe or Dembele. We want a solid option on the left to suplement what we already have. Simple. Unfortunately those type players now cost double what they did a few years ago.
 
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I don't think anyone's saying he would be a 'catalyst' in a, say, Cantona type way. But it's surely quite reasonable to suggest that he might have a skillset that might give the team more balance and options, and therefore lead to it being more successful?
I dont actually disagree with that.

Although I don't believe he is the only option to fix our problems(Still think our LB issues are a major part of the problem), but for the prices quoted and the ridiculous Inter demands, its simply a no go.

He's not a bad player, but he's hardly worth the hassle that we would need to get this deal over the line.
 
Inter was never anywhere close to winning the league. They could have had Ronaldo and they still wouldn't have won. Does that mean you wouldn't want Ronaldo ? :)

The difference is - at United he could be. Because most people agree that one of our biggest weaknesses right now is his position. So if he performs, it could be the difference between winning and ending 2 points behind City. But at the same time - getting Luke Shaw back to fitness, might make the same difference. You never know. I just know I would feel safer if we had one more winger in our team.

There is so much wrong with that analogy that you cant be serious.
 
Would have been a good addition, but lets move on. We've got Tony Martial (a potentially world class player) and Rashford to cover the left side, we could possibly look at another left back but I'm happy with the squad. Signing perisic would have solved one problem but created another. I honestly believe they demanded Martial on loan as part of the deal - as soon as that was mentioned we withdrew our interest, it was the right decision, I am sure.
 
The decision to spend money at the club is made by non football men. Mourinho gave his targets to Woodward in February and he left it at that. It's the Glazers and Woodward who make the decisions regarding how much we spend. Mourinho literally begged in press conference's to get Matic.

"Based on quality he's behind Rashford and Martial" Care to explain why you think he's behind them in terms of quality?, what attributes or qualities does he lack in comparison to Martial and Rashford?
The decision how much money we should spend for a player is surely made with manager.

About quality, both Martial and Rashford are much more technical (on the ball, dribbling etc) especially Martial. They are also better finishers, again especially Martial. Decision making is also not the best attribute of Perisic and even if both Rashford and Martial are not the best decision makers they are arguably better than Perisic. Rashford is also faster then Perisic even if Perisic is quite fast.
On the other hand Perisic in much better crosser of the ball then both, his workrate in better, he is defensively better and he is obviously more experienced then both.

Simply put Rashford and Martial are much better as a wide forward then Perisic but Perisic in better as a traditional winger or as WB option. If for example Shaw comes back from injury strong and shows he can provide width and attacking threat Martial and Rashford would be better choices in first team but if have someone lile Darmian as LB Perisic could provide you width you need or he could be great option as WB in a formation with 3 defenders.
 
No he isn't better then what we have and he would not be regular striker. You are hyping him with saying that. He would bring something different but he is not on a level our first 11 wingers should be. Based on quality he is behind Martial or even Rashford, never mind based on potential. But both Martial and Rashford are more forwards than wingers and they both like to drift inside rahter than make pitch wide like old school winger which Perisic is.
The fact we didn't payed what Inter wanted can tell you that he is not a player you are describing. I don't think we would hesitate to spend what Inter wanted if we saw him as good enough to be our regular striker. But we didn't wanted to spend that much on a squad player what he was meant to be.

The fact Perisic is an oldschool winger is the reason why we want to sign him because we need an old school winger. As you said Martial and Rashford aren't wingers they are strikers playing from the wings and Mkhitaryan and Mata aren't wingers either, they are 10's. All of them love to come inside to support the striker but none of them is good as keeping the play wide and providing some nice crosses. This is exactly what Perisic brings and it is exactly what we need because it works really well with a striker upfront like Lukaku.

I don't agree he would not get ahead of any of our other wingers. I think he would actually start most games with Martial/Rashford on the other wing and Mkhitaryan would move to the centre to play behind Lukaku as a 10 and Mata, Lingard, Pereira and Rashford/Martial would become our reserve players for the front 4 positions. That would be for most games as 4-2-3-1 formation. In the big games against top clubs I think Mourinho would play 4-3-3 and Mkhitaryan behind Lukaku would be sacrificed for another midfield player next to Pogba and Matic.
 
The decision how much money we should spend for a player is surely made with manager.

About quality, both Martial and Rashford are much more technical (on the ball, dribbling etc) especially Martial. They are also better finishers, again especially Martial. Decision making is also not the best attribute of Perisic and even if both Rashford and Martial are not the best decision makers they are arguably better than Perisic. Rashford is also faster then Perisic even if Perisic is quite fast.
On the other hand Perisic in much better crosser of the ball then both, his workrate in better, he is defensively better and he is obviously more experienced then both.

Simply put Rashford and Martial are much better as a wide forward then Perisic but Perisic in better as a traditional winger or as WB option. If for example Shaw comes back from injury strong and shows he can provide width and attacking threat Martial and Rashford would be better choices in first team but if have someone lile Darmian as LB Perisic could provide you width you need or he could be great option as WB in a formation with 3 defenders.
You're really clutching at straws. Rashford has shown nothing to suggest he's a winger for a club that wants to challenge on all fronts as yet consistently. He has pace which he uses to attack space like he did against West Ham when the game opened up, but in a tight game against quality opposition he doesn't have the required dribbling skills to manipulate the ball like Perisic can. Rashford has potential to be a very good player for us, but let's not get carried away just yet. Perisic is rapid and is at least as quick as rashford. I've seen Perisic cause Kyle Walker problems with his turn of pace.

Martial is a very good player that has very good technical qualities no doubt. I'm actually a big fan off his ability. But as a winger perisic is better at this moment in time. Perisic is two footed, is just as quick, if not quicker. He has a better strike with either foot. Is much more of a threat aerially and has had a good education in Italy tactictally which would make him a better fit for a coach like Mourinho who values player's who can carry out tactical instructions.

It's absurd to say both Martial and Rashford have "much more" technical ability than Perisic.
 
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