Not really. Check his transfer thread.
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Not really. Check his transfer thread.
Why did Pep Guardiola who is arguably an even better manager sign Claudio Bravo? Why did Jose sign Salah and Cuatrado and hardly use them?
Managers make a lot of weird decisions. The greatest manager of all time signed Bebe.
The appeal to authority is just a lazy way of arguing.
And where are the reports that we want him so badly? From the most reliable source (DiMarzio), United have made one solitary 30 mil Euro bid and havent made one since. I'm sure there is interest in a winger or width, but from our actions we hardly come across as desperate for Perisic. With Inter rather coming across as desperate sellers with their constant rent-a-quote statements about him staying unless their price is met. They could easily come out and say he is not for sale and no bids will be considered.
And the Matic thing is stupid. I wanted him here and had no problem whatsoever in signing him. Fabinho might have been a good option too because of his versatility but Matic was a good signing nonetheless.
Wow, he must be having one hell of a pre-season! He is improving that rapidly I reckon we should leave it till Jan, he should be almost as good as Messi by then.....
I don't speak for everyone. Which should tell you how stupid the Matic argument was.
I for one wanted him because he was proven to be a player and it was a position we needed a player in.
Has there ever been a more boring transfer saga thread?
It stopped being saga long back. As per Di Marzio and other journalists, ManUtd haven't followed up on their bid. This is as good as dead.
Remember how interested we were in Garay and Gaitan?
This has had far more credible info than either of those ever did. If you really don't believe we have never been interested in Perisic then you're probably the only one on this entire forum.
Jose said Inter did well to keep the player. Very obvious we were in for him.
I am just saying you never really know.
I'm not really harping on about his crossing though am I? Not sure why you keep bringing that up when responding to me, strange...
We might have depth due to the quantity of player's on the left, but none have proven to be quality over a couple of seasons. I'd understand if we had a Ronaldo, Bale or Giggs, but with our current options it's easy to see to see why Mourinho wants a winger. Like I said before, we would be a stronger squad with Perisic than without, considering our current options.
No. Saves per goal is a better indicator of "shot stopping ability" over the course of a season. Concentration is also important as are mistakes made. I believe it is more impressive when goal keepers are cold (not worked much in games) and they pull of great saves than ones who have been active all game and have momentum. Its about reliability.
De Gea wasn't even in top 10 best shot stopper last season then when everyone knows he is among the best. Just relying on stats will always end up like this.
Who was higher?
EDIT : I actually saw a report that had De Gea as number one shot stopper with a 74% rating
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What does @Acquire Me say about this? I'm trusting him
Jose has spoken about Inter and Perisic so this is entirely different.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...gue-goalkeeper-save-percentage-sportgalleries
You must have seen thin maybe(?) which is not very accuracy. They don't really do compare. Someone like Romero may boast even better stats if one happens make the compliation. Romero is good, but better than DDG? Surely no.
He played 2 games so miniscule sample size whatever his result. Like suggesting Carlton Cole is the most reliable finisher if he plays 3 matches and scores 4 goals. Its common sense. Romero is good though.
Foster, Heaton and few other have better save %. I'm on mobile so can't search for that article.
None of Bravo, Salah and Caudrado were or are bad players. They just didn't have good spells in the particular stints referred to. That a player fails to do well in a club, does not necessarily mean he is a bad player or a bad buy.
Anyway, my point is Jose has a good track record for spotting and buying players that fit in well into his overall plan for building a winning team. They may not be players fans initially want but they usually serve his team building plan well.
More importantly, since he joined United, his purchases have been nearly perfect. Therefore, is there something he is seeing in this 'average' Perisic (assuming of course that the reports linking him to Perisic are correct)?
My take is there has to be something important he is seeing and he has earned the right to be given that benefit of doubt.
As clearly stated in my previous post, in no way is he perfect when it comes to player transfers so that's not what I am insinuating.
Plenty wingers better than him but he is the only one suited to wing back and this is probably why we are so persistent.
Excited to have a better version of Ashley's young at LWB. Bring him in.
Excited to have a better version of Ashley's young at LWB. Bring him in.
I have good belief in Jose as a manager.
But equally so, I don't rate Perisic as a player from what I have seen of him. I am done giving any manager blind faith, the last manager I'd did that with was Moyes.
If we were signing him as a squad player on a decent fee I wouldn't mind. But Inter are delusional and are looking for a pay day. So I'd much rather he stay where he is with Inter while they continue living under Milan' s shadow like they always do and United can move on.
I also believe in our younger players despite their inconsistencies. Jose easily chucked out De Bruyne and Lukaku despite all the excuses. Yes, Jose is a winner but if he intends to stay here for 15 years like he claims , then he needs to stop with his short term thinking. An average journeyman ahead of two of some of the brightest prospects in world football is short term thinking at its best.
Imagine if Sir Alex had done that in 95 .
If you phrase it like that, it's hard to be against this transfer. But it's not happening, right? Jose is done for the summer.
How much youtube footage have you watch? None of us here have inside information on how Jose wants us to play next season. All we do is speculate. And when we speculate, we tend to want the flashy players to play.
Perisic offers our team something that no one on board is capable of. Having an extra dimension to our play is something we need. We have too many similar players and our attacking third is getting congested as a result of that.
Short term thinking? so you prefer Jose sign a bunch of young players and nurture them like what Wenger does? Are you okay with not winning anything for say 5 years? We need a blend of youth and experience.
Perisic has also been in international football long enough for people to form an opinion on him and Mourinho has signed enough players that didn't work out for him despite seemingly being perfect fits, so expressing doubts isn't that delusional.
He also didn't say we should sign a bunch of youngsters but rather trust those who are already here. We have plenty of veteran players in our team, it's not as if we're full of inexperienced, young guys.
Not sure - it might be slightly disappointing to some fans to go after a player like perisic who isn't flashy; but I believe we are going after a non flashy player because that is what we need at LWB mostly and very occasionally at LM. I genuinely see him as the last piece of the puzzle & I doubt jose would see much difference.
It doesn't make sense to chase perisic and then go for lamar for example.
It does if the intention was always to buy a left winger, and not a LW/LWB. It still makes sense even if you believe he initially wanted Perisic to fulfill LW/LWB, but failing that, still believes that we would still benefit from having a LW such as Lemar.
This thread 
United made one offer, in June, back when they thought they might be able to sign him for €30M. They have known his price all along. They not made another bid, and it's now August 17th and Inter's season begins in two days, and the window closes in exactly two weeks.
What Mourinho liked about perisic was that he's a very good player and thought he needed one like that because he probably didn't trust enough in what he already had, and that he thought he could come relatively cheap. That's it. If United haven't made a move a week ago, the chances they will now are next to zero, especially now that inter are offering £180k a week for him to renew
You're not gonna sign Perisic, and Mourinho never wanted him that badly
United made one offer, in June, back when they thought they might be able to sign him for €30M. They have known his price all along. They not made another bid, and it's now August 17th and Inter's season begins in two days, and the window closes in exactly two weeks.
What Mourinho liked about perisic was that he's a very good player and thought he needed one like that because he probably didn't trust enough in what he already had, and that he thought he could come relatively cheap. That's it. If United haven't made a move a week ago, the chances they will now are next to zero, especially now that inter are offering £180k a week for him to renew
You're not gonna sign Perisic, and Mourinho never wanted him that badly
As a Inter fan, do you think he'd be a improvement on our first 11 if the transfer materialised?This thread
United made one offer, in June, back when they thought they might be able to sign him for €30M. They have known his price all along. They not made another bid, and it's now August 17th and Inter's season begins in two days, and the window closes in exactly two weeks.
What Mourinho liked about perisic was that he's a very good player and thought he needed one like that because he probably didn't trust enough in what he already had, and that he thought he could come relatively cheap. That's it. If United haven't made a move a week ago, the chances they will now are next to zero, especially now that inter are offering £180k a week for him to renew
You're not gonna sign Perisic, and Mourinho never wanted him that badly
Compared to the performances by Martial and Rashford from last season in the position, yeah, sure.
But personally, the way this makes sense for united is if the idea is to play two strikers as strikers, with perisic playing as a pure left winger - a midfielder. Which would mean either dropping Micky, or playing with two CM instead of 3
None of this matters anyways
I checked and their saves per goal are inferior. In seasons when De Gea was worked a lot (under Van Gaal) his saves per goal was much better than theirs's too. I mention this since when you face more shots, you tend to make more saves and it tends to increase your saves per goal ratio. In fact, not one of them have had as superb a season as he has had in the EPL e.g. 3 saves per goal. Its clear who is more reliable.
I'm talking about shots to save ratio.
https://talksport.com/football/best...ve-percentages-201617-season-170606241978?p=7
15. Bravo
14. Hart
13. Mignolet
12. Reina
11. Schmeichel
10. Courtois
9. De Gea
8. Navas
7. Buffon
6. Oblak
5. Cech
4. Lloris
3. Trapp
2. Stegen
1. Neuer
In Jan 2017,
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rst-goalkeeper-premier-league-manchester-city
2015-16 season:
Name - Shot save%
Petr Cech - 76.6
Hugo Lloris - 76.2
Ben Foster - 76
Fraser Forster - 75.5
Vito Mannone - 75
Heurelho Gomes - 74.3
Jack Butland - 73.6
David De Gea - 73.3
Kasper Schmeichel - 72.5
Joel Robles - 72.5
Can you cut out the crappy insults if you have nothing else to add?
A little maturity would go a long way.
So short term thinking is to keep giving young players like Rashford, Lingard and Martial chances? Short term thinking is to buy four players that are under 25? Short term thinking is to bring Perreira back and promote players like Mitchell to the senior squad? Interesting.
It's very fine not to trust any manager blindly and to hold your own opinion about any player. I never adviced otherwise. What I did post was that Jose has proven himself when it comes to buying players that fit into his idea of a winning team. Therefore, is there something he is seeing in the 'average' Perisic that will make him a perfect fit for his title winning plan? I think so.
Yet De Gea beats them on saves made per goal conceeded..... Also, with the finishing stat, I distinguished between shots in the box to out of the box. Do they do that here I wonder? De Gea once average 3 saves per goal conceded in 2013. that means he was a machine.
You can't pick and choose stats, shots to save ratio shows who is the better shot stopper, at least as per stats (which is not the way to go). Inside or outside the box, shot is a shot just like how angle and how difficult chance was didn't matter for conversion rate. Just blindly going by stats just because some opta posted it will always end up in a mess.
Ben Foster saved 76% of the shots he faced, while De Gea saved only 73.3%. So when it comes to shot stopping, Foster > De Gea?
Edit: Also last season saves per goal.
Cech - 2.64
Schmeichel - 2.24
Pickford - 2.20
De Gea - 2.11
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We have successfully helped Perisic get a new contract. Been a good summer for him if you ask me.
I think giorno hit the nail on the head.
Jose probably saw this as a cheap punt but Inter didn't seem to want to agree to it. That doesn't mean he's desperate for him.
Jose has signed plenty of players in the past that were not necessarily great ones. So it doesn't prove that Perisic is a great player if that's what you are trying to insinuate.
You could also assume that united were hoping Perisic would try to force the transfer to lower the price, but that would also prove that Mourinho wasn't hell bent on signing him. If he were, he'd have just told Woody to pay inter's price, seeing as it wasn't silly money overall
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/man-utd-transfers-anthony-martial-13497991
Mourinho confirming that Perisic would have been signed to play as a wing back.
Shame we didn't get him tbh. Would have solved a lot of problems if we could have used Rashford and Martial as strikers. Pogba, Matic and Herrera all in the same midfield etc.
Mourinho confirming that Perisic would have been signed to play as a wing back.
Shame we didn't get him tbh. Would have solved a lot of problems if we could have used Rashford and Martial as strikers. Pogba, Matic and Herrera all in the same midfield etc.
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