Ivan Perisic

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Dr. StrangeHate said:
I guess this is an indication of how far we have fallen that buying Perisic will actually improve our team. If we get him, we will see Lingard on one side and Perisic on the other side. Just imagine it, it is enough to make limp any hard-on.
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I don't rate Perisic overly highly, but he is a much better player than Lingard and other squad fillers we have like Young. Perisic would actually add some goals and assists, so yes he would be an improvement.
 
We desperately need another attacker in our team. Whether perisic is the right man I dont know but if jose wants him then we should sign him. Just look at city's bench and compare it to ours.
 
GM K said:
Ivan Perisic is NOT just a good crosser of the ball. He is a rare two footed attacker with pace, dribbling skills, and ability to deliver good set pieces. I really don't get why people don't want this guy considering the fact that Jose badly wants him, there are not many alternatives out there and a Bale will cost 100 million bucks with almost half a million in wages every week. It's not like Perisic will not deliver goals and assists plus give us some serious tactical flexibility.
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Agree with this. People go on about Bale, Ronaldo etc etc. Yes these would improve us no doubt but they are pretty unobtainable (unless you are PSG it seems). I trust Jose on this. The opinion on Matic before he was signed was mixed at best, now he is in a red shirt the early signs are a lot more positive with how he is freeing up Pogba and Herrera or Miki. A two footed unpredictable but steady left sided player would again give us more options. Greater than the sum of our individual parts etc. If this kind of player gives us a very strong foundation for a title push and decent run in the Champions League then I reckon Griezmann or a player in that bracket is easily attainable as the cherry on the cake next year.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I hear you but I think those players are already here just need them to be more consistent in their performances. We need Martial to be the player we know he can be, Rashford to be clinical and Mikki to be less sulky when things don't go his way.
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But that's the point i'm making. What's going to change that makes those players play differently? How are we going to be sure that any of those players will play any differently this season?

It's the exact same situation as Liverpool and the thing we all mock Klopp for. He claims they don't need any centrebacks but clearly their defence is poor just like it was last season. So why do we sit here saying our attack is fine we just need everyone to play better? Why do we think they will and won't just continue their performances and struggles from last season?

To me it's extremely risky to assume those players will play any differently if we change nothing and I think we'll continue to struggle unless we add to our attack before the end of August. Do nothing and expect change is really just madness to me and Liverpool are already suffering from that attitude
 
gorky_utd said:
We desperately need another attacker in our team. Whether perisic is the right man I dont know but if jose wants him then we should sign him. Just look at city's bench and compare it to ours.
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I agree we need one more player (new winger). But I think we match up evenly with their bench;

Sterling - Martial
B.Silva - Mata
Yaya - Fellaini
Sane - (New Winger)
Foden - Periera
Mangala - Smalling/Jones
Bravo - Romero
 
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Saf94 said:
But that's the point i'm making. What's going to change that makes those players play differently? How are we going to be sure that any of those players will play any differently this season?

It's the exact same situation as Liverpool and the thing we all mock Klopp for. He claims they don't need any centrebacks but clearly their defence is poor just like it was last season. So why do we sit here saying our attack is fine we just need everyone to play better? Why do we think they will and won't just continue their performances and struggles from last season?
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It's not the exact same situation. It's completely different. We know Martial can play a lot better because he's done it. He's one of the best young talents in the world never mind United. It's upto the manager to get the best out of him not sign an inferior player to lump crosses in. Mata, Martial and Mkhi are all better players and have proven it already.
 
Nighteyes said:
It's not the exact same situation. It's completely different. We know Martial can play a lot better because he's done it. He's one of the best young talents in the world never mind United. It's upto the manager to get the best out of him not sign an inferior player to lump crosses in. Mata, Martial and Mkhi are all better players and have proven it already.
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Every situation is going to have differences but the point is to see these things before they happen. Hindsight is 20/20 but you need to be able to predict things or else end up like Liverpool.

My point is, regardless of the Liverpool situation, to change nothing and expect different results is just insane at this level of football. Everyone talks about Mourinho second season but he never had a great second season by signing no players. For Chelsea he got in Diego Costa and Fabregas, at Inter he got Eto'o, Pandev and Diego Milito. How is Mourinho going to magically make our existing players better without improving the system/players around them? Is he gonna give them some crazy team talk and they'll suddenly regain their top form? Performances change when the system is changed, Martial will do better when he has more space to run at defenders, Mikhi will do better when he can find more pockets of space to run and play players in, Mata will do better when he's got more runners ahead of him etc

Yes players will improve after having time to settle and personal issues going away etc. But to think that alone is enough to propel us from 6th to top 4 and a CL run to me is just plain dumb.
 
Your post had nothing to do with the point I made. The two situations you compared are chalk and cheese.

Saf94 said:
Yes players will improve after having time to settle and personal issues going away etc. But to think that alone is enough to propel us from 6th to top 4 and a CL run to me is just plain dumb.
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But signing Perisic, who's never proven to be as good as any of them will get us top 4. Genius.
 
Irrational. said:
With the prices floating about regarding Mbappe and Dembele, sub £100 is a snip for Griezmann. Doubt he'd go for that price now though. I think that ship has sailed.
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His release clause goes to 100 mil in January so it would really be up to him. I'm still hoping we sign him next summer. A truly world class attacking player to back up Lukaku from deeper would be fantastic
 
Nighteyes said:
Your post had nothing to do with the point I made. The two situations you compared are chalk and cheese.



But signing Perisic, who's never proven to be as good as any of them will get us top 4. Genius.
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Hmm seems like we are talking about 2 different points which is why my post was not addressing yours (and vice versa tbh).

Basically I'm arguing, regardless of Perisic's quality, that first we need to establish that we do have to sign someone at least. Once that's established we can debate the quality of the potential signings, but my point is it's impossible to go into the season with signing no one on the wings.

I know some people don't like Perisic and I've had this conv 1000 times so I don't feel like having it again, but in my view people who think no one is better than Perisic are relying on a very risky game and I don't feel confident in that at all. Perisic is probably not as bad as some say and not as good as others say but it's definitely true that he'll bring something different and different is what we need. For what it's worth I would be very happy with Rose also because it would make the 352 a proper solution for us
 
Saf94 said:
Hmm seems like we are talking about 2 different points which is why my post was not addressing yours (and vice versa tbh).

Basically I'm arguing, regardless of Perisic's quality, that first we need to establish that we do have to sign someone at least. Once that's established we can debate the quality of the potential signings, but my point is it's impossible to go into the season with signing no one on the wings.

I know some people don't like Perisic and I've had this conv 1000 times so I don't feel like having it again, but in my view people who think no one is better than Perisic are relying on a very risky game and I don't feel confident in that at all. Perisic is probably not as bad as some say and not as good as others say but it's definitely true that he'll bring something different and different is what we need. For what it's worth I would be very happy with Rose also because it would make the 352 a proper solution for us
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I've always said I'd much rather we sign a LB than a left winger. Signing Perisic for the sake of signing a player when he's no better than the players we already have a is not a good way to about a transfer. If we're signing a LW it has to be someone who's a big improvement on our current options.
 
Perisic is a big improvement on Mata, Mkhi and Rashford out wide. If people can't see that then I give up.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I kind of think the opposite. Spurs, Arsenal and City haven't won it playing a certain brand of football and I think whilst it's not the Utd way, the way we set up now can once we take the clear chances when presented.
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We lost the chance of winning the league because we did not score many goals, if we look at allot of these draws, if we pinned sides back been a little more attack minded, we could easily have beaten a West Ham maybe 2 or 3-1 instead of a 1-1. Mourinho must allow our front players to do more damage in the final third, than his tracking back even against the most mediocre of teams. Swansea was a perfect example go 1-0 up, and just play for that 1-0 win, if we keep to this philosophy go 1-0 up hold on, we will continue to see the same thing dropping points
 
Oneunited26 said:
And? By the way that's not totally accurate, Mourinho has won has many PL titles has wenger, and do we see wenger ever winning a title? It's very much doubtful. The way united are going it's not totally out of the reach he will win a PL title has a united manager, which I don't think he will, not the way he wants united playing
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I said, most league titles not most EPL titles. If I recall well, he won league titles once or twice in Portugal, twice in Italy, once in Spain and three times in England.
 
r3idy said:
Agree with this. People go on about Bale, Ronaldo etc etc. Yes these would improve us no doubt but they are pretty unobtainable (unless you are PSG it seems). I trust Jose on this. The opinion on Matic before he was signed was mixed at best, now he is in a red shirt the early signs are a lot more positive with how he is freeing up Pogba and Herrera or Miki. A two footed unpredictable but steady left sided player would again give us more options. Greater than the sum of our individual parts etc. If this kind of player gives us a very strong foundation for a title push and decent run in the Champions League then I reckon Griezmann or a player in that bracket is easily attainable as the cherry on the cake next year.
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Spot on mate.
 
r3idy said:
Agree with this. People go on about Bale, Ronaldo etc etc. Yes these would improve us no doubt but they are pretty unobtainable (unless you are PSG it seems). I trust Jose on this. The opinion on Matic before he was signed was mixed at best, now he is in a red shirt the early signs are a lot more positive with how he is freeing up Pogba and Herrera or Miki. A two footed unpredictable but steady left sided player would again give us more options. Greater than the sum of our individual parts etc. If this kind of player gives us a very strong foundation for a title push and decent run in the Champions League then I reckon Griezmann or a player in that bracket is easily attainable as the cherry on the cake next year.
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To add to this. The year Mou won the treble with Inter they signed Pandev. I bet no one was saying before that season that Pandev would be good enough to be part of a treble winning team but he was and was an important cog in it. Not every player has to be a flashy game winner, we have those already in Lukaku, Mikhi, Mata and Pogba. We need those players who will do the hard work to let them play to their best potential (which they haven't been doing), guys like Perisic and Matic are those guys.

Inter treble season they signed Milito, Pandev and Motta and for me Lukaku, Perisic and Matic would be our equivalent. Yes we're missing an Eto'o but without him we should still be good enough for top 4. Next summer we get our Eto'o (Griezmann?) and we should win the league.
 
GM K said:
I said, most league titles not most EPL titles. If I recall well, he won league titles once or twice in Portugal, twice in Italy, once in Spain and three times in England.
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yes we know that but with our current side in what we have upfront, who he is playing in the final third I just don't see us winning it, especially if he has big plans with lingard, which we need that ability going forward, lukaku is a big question mark. But if we continue to see the same kind of football has last season, not having the plan B when we either go behind in games, or not having the ability to regain leads when we playing for 1-0 results, then I don't see how it's going to win us a PL. but those teams had some pretty amazing players, this side I feel is a long way from winning it. If he is changing our approach and we playing to play a kind of football that can score goals, put sides away then we have a chance.
 
Adnan said:
Perisic is a big improvement on Mata, Mkhi and Rashford out wide. If people can't see that then I give up.
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I'm not sure that I agree with that completely but at least Perišić actually is a wide player and as such has a totally different skill set which includes facets of gameplay that would really compliment our £75m striker.
 
Oneunited26 said:
yes we know that but with our current side in what we have upfront, who he is playing in the final third I just don't see us winning it, especially if he has big plans with lingard, which we need that ability going forward, lukaku is a big question mark. But if we continue to see the same kind of football has last season, not having the plan B when we either go behind in games, or not having the ability to regain leads when we playing for 1-0 results, then I don't see how it's going to win us a PL. but those teams had some pretty amazing players, this side I feel is a long way from winning it. If he is changing our approach and we playing to play a kind of football that can score goals, put sides away then we have a chance.
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised this season. It's pretty simple, tactics was not what let us down last season. Sure we had games where we deployed the wrong tactics but generally, our problem was not tactics. It was more of a number of important personnel under performing. Minus Zlatan, too few of our players delivered goals, we missed too many chances; and there were just too few 8/10 performances a cross the pitch.

What most people will agree with is that players like Mki, Mata, Martial, Pogba, and Rashford can deliver more goals and assists than they delivered last season. It is a safe bet to say that at least some of them will come into their own this season and if that happens, United will be fighting for the EPL title this time around.
 
GM K said:
I think you will be pleasantly surprised this season. It's pretty simple, tactics was not what let us down last season. Sure we had games where we deployed the wrong tactics but generally, our problem was not tactics. It was more of a number of important personnel under performing. Minus Zlatan, too few of our players delivered goals, we missed too many chances; and there were just too few 8/10 performances a cross the pitch.

What most people will agree with is that players like Mki, Mata, Martial, Pogba, and Rashford can deliver more goals and assists than they delivered last season. It is a safe bet to say that at least some of them will come into their own this season and if that happens, United will be fighting for the EPL title this time around.
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I be happy to be proven wrong if we look like a team capable of scoring goals, have a cutting edge with a purpose, putting fear into teams. But? If we still see the same kind kind of football has last season, then we will be fighting for a top 4. If we see more lingard in our attacking lineup on allot of occasions, it's going to be tough scoring goals. If mkhi, martial, lukaku, mata, and many others don't have us playing with speed, winning those home games 3 or 4-1 etc in games we use to win with ease, and the football is slow, predictable and not looking to play with pace like last season, we be looking at a top 4. But we have got to look like a team that wins these week in week out games like a top side
 
K2K said:
An attacking LB would work just as well imo.

Especially if we go with 3 at the back like Jose has tried.

Darmian completely neutralises our attack and offers basically nothing in attack. Its a big part why our left side is useless from an attacking point of view.
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I'm pretty sure 3 at the back is our plan B formation. We'll be playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 for the majority of the season I think.
 
Sigma said:
I'm pretty sure 3 at the back is our plan B formation. We'll be playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 for the majority of the season I think.
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Still, a LB can give width in both formations.

The problem with all our converted wingers is that they simply wont work if we play a 352 as they are not wingbacks.except maybe Lingard, but hes hardly impressive.
 
I don't think I've actually watched a full Inter game for about a decade...

But I can confirm he is shit, or really good....or somewhere in between.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Might as well sign an attacking left back to provide width and cross the ball, the modern fullback has made the traditional winger redundant. LB is our weakest position, would help Martial/Rashford or whoever else plays on the LW too without hampering their growth, and would be cheaper than spending 50m for a peaked/peaking player.

Most top teams dont use proper wingers, instead they use wide forwards with fullbacks maintaining the width and stretching teams. If we let Martial play with an attacking LB behind him making supporting runs he would have better output and a bigger impact on our season than an average player like Perisic ever could.
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Or maybe we want variety woth Valencia already providing fullback width at RB. Perisic is a better winger than Martial anyway.
 
If you swap out Rashford/Mata for Perisic we would be an even scarier attacking force IMO.

We are crying out for the type of player that can run with the ball and beat a defender/put in a good cross.
 
Nighteyes said:
Do we really want Perisic replacing either Rashford or Martial? feck no.
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No. If we need an out-and-out winger, he should play on the right (and I'm inclined to say we do). Rashford and Martial need to compete for the spot on the left side, given that Lukaku will probably play most minutes regardless of how he does (and let's face it: He will be scoring goals).
 
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