I just dont see where all the goals are going to come from for us to win the title this year, our attack is basically the same.
We need a winger/forward. If not Perisic or Bale, then who?
Good, plenty more fish in the sea. Can't live your life reminiscing on what could have been, we'll sign someone else one day and be happy.
He's saying we're still in for Perisic and with Mourinho's recent strop I guess we can expect some movement on that 4th and final transfer soon.Unfortunately if this is true, we may not sign anyone instead. Perisic would have been a useful option.
He's saying we're still in for Perisic and with Mourinho's recent strop I guess we can expect some movement on that 4th and final transfer soon.
For me the only reason I can see why we are in for him is due to the 352 if we wanted a good old winger who will go down the left and cross then there are a lot better options. He's had 1 good season in his life and last season was it. However as a WB I could see him doing a decent job but surely a fit Shaw is a far better option.Want this guy due to his delivery and also since I think he would be great as an option for LWB in a 3-5-2 which we've seen Mourinho experiment with in pre-season. Him and Valencia on each side would solve the width problem.
To put the rumoured price of close to £50m into perspective that is one 27 year old Gylfi Sigurdsson in todays market. Sure we'll overpay for him, but for the versatility, delivery and width I think we would be better off as a team for doing so.
How many assists did Gylfi get in open play?For me the only reason I can see why we are in for him is due to the 352 if we wanted a good old winger who will go down the left and cross then there are a lot better options. He's had 1 good season in his life and last season was it. However as a WB I could see him doing a decent job but surely a fit Shaw is a far better option.
I feel like a lot of our issues with LB are Joses tactics of preferring one side because to be honest Valencia is good at getting back and forth but his actual quality on the ball last year was atrocious. That last game against Sampdoria is the Valencia I want to see. Given the time and space he showed he can pick out a decent cross but last year, just awful!!! If it gets tight and congested he hasn't got a clue. Shaw on the other hand doesn't freeze in situations like that can beat men in tight spaces and deliver a ball. He needs to get over his injuries but if he can do that and Jose allows him to play for me that much melined left hand side suddenly becomes dangerous.
Back on Peresic I just don't see value in buying him for 45-50mil and playing him as a LM. Better off trying to see if Monaco really will sell Lemar for 50 as reported what they are holding out for. Gylfi was in the top 5 assisters in Europe last season.
Also his delivery is quite frankly awful. Gets crosses in but completes 1 cross a game. More often than not they are behind,over,short of his attended target. Their has been some myth on the CAF about his crossing ability.
i think the clubs recognised rather then wasting £50 million on a Perisic they rather pay 100 for either Bale or wait till January of GreizmanSo nothing new then. We've gone quiet on this for a few weeks.
I think we're waiting for the dominoes to fall on Bale... but I hope we're not. I'd like us to use Martial this season as our main outlet. He has shone in pre-season.To whom?
For me the only reason I can see why we are in for him is due to the 352 if we wanted a good old winger who will go down the left and cross then there are a lot better options. He's had 1 good season in his life and last season was it. However as a WB I could see him doing a decent job but surely a fit Shaw is a far better option.
I feel like a lot of our issues with LB are Joses tactics of preferring one side because to be honest Valencia is good at getting back and forth but his actual quality on the ball last year was atrocious. That last game against Sampdoria is the Valencia I want to see. Given the time and space he showed he can pick out a decent cross but last year, just awful!!! If it gets tight and congested he hasn't got a clue. Shaw on the other hand doesn't freeze in situations like that can beat men in tight spaces and deliver a ball. He needs to get over his injuries but if he can do that and Jose allows him to play for me that much melined left hand side suddenly becomes dangerous.
Back on Peresic I just don't see value in buying him for 45-50mil and playing him as a LM. Better off trying to see if Monaco really will sell Lemar for 50 as reported what they are holding out for. Gylfi was in the top 5 assisters in Europe last season.
Also his delivery is quite frankly awful. Gets crosses in but completes 1 cross a game. More often than not they are behind,over,short of his attended target. Their has been some myth on the CAF about his crossing ability.
Yeah, I just don't want Bale at all and I'd be disappointed if we spent huge money on him. With Perisic I don't know as I've barely seen him.I think we're waiting for the dominoes to fall on Bale... but I hope we're not. I'd like us to use Martial this season as our main outlet. He has shone in pre-season.
To be fair perisic is right footed... he is not a "traditional left winger" and nor is bale who for several seasons has operated more as a wide forward.Can you actually name these better options? A traditional left winger, who will stay wide, put good deliveries in, beat his man, has good pace and is good with two feet, is better than Perisic and is available/realistic option for us. I would really like to know who these players are because so far in terms of other options all I've seen is Bale (completely different player who's not even a left winger) and other than him it's diddly squat
To be fair perisic is right footed... he is not a "traditional left winger" and nor is bale who for several seasons has operated more as a wide forward.
I'm fairly indifferent to both but if you want a traditional left winger who sticks to to by line and puts in crosses you want neither of them though to be honest who even plays with traditional wingers at the moment?
To be fair perisic is right footed... he is not a "traditional left winger" and nor is bale who for several seasons has operated more as a wide forward.
I'm fairly indifferent to both but if you want a traditional left winger who sticks to to by line and puts in crosses you want neither of them though to be honest who even plays with traditional wingers at the moment?
I cannot disagree with this.Want this guy due to his delivery and also since I think he would be great as an option for LWB in a 3-5-2 which we've seen Mourinho experiment with in pre-season. Him and Valencia on each side would solve the width problem.
To put the rumoured price of close to £50m into perspective that is one 27 year old Gylfi Sigurdsson in todays market. Sure we'll overpay for him, but for the versatility, delivery and width I think we would be better off as a team for doing so.
So your answer to "whose available that's a better Perisic" (since that's the type of player Jose wants) is who exactly? You simply tried to downplay what Perisic does without answering the "ok, if Jose wants a player that does what Perisic does, but if not Perisic then who?" question.
JOSE wants a specific type of player on the left. WHO CAN HE GET?
One is already mentioned in the post.Can you actually name these better options? A traditional left winger, who will stay wide, put good deliveries in, beat his man, has good pace and is good with two feet, is better than Perisic and is available/realistic option for us. I would really like to know who these players are because so far in terms of other options all I've seen is Bale (completely different player who's not even a left winger) and other than him it's diddly squat
One is already mentioned in the post.
Also is Peresic available? Doesn't seem so. Also you say two footed but Darmian can put in a better cross on his left than Peresic. Just because someone can kick a ball with their left does that make him two footed as his delivery isn't great.
Another thing why would we limit ourselves by just having someone who can go down the wing why can't it be they can do both but are instructed to keep the width. It's not a hard thing to do. The truth is Peresic is right footed he comes inside a lot. Why are people obsessed with him keeping width? If we want that Jose should just allow both his fullbacks more freedom and that takes care of that issue.
That's what scouts are for. Surely among tens of thousands of footballers out there, Perisic isn't the only winger who can cross?
That's very harsh he played a massive part in our EL run and was very good in some games he played for us. Yes he never had a brilliant season but he wasn't extremely poor ffs.
While it's true that scouts know more than us and there are players out there we don't know, unless someone can actually name a player who's a better alternative I don't think they can say there are better alternatives out there than Perisic. You can only make that claim if you actually know that there are players and who those players are
Also I'd add a counter to your point anyway, of the 'thousands' of players there's only a handful who are a) good enough b) the right style/type of player c) who are available/realistic to sign. We obviously aren't shopping in the lower leagues or smaller countries so our options are only really limited to the top 5 leagues or the very best players of the next 5-10 leagues. Most of these players are known to us to an extent. Also I think if there were other obvious options out there wouldn't we know about them and wouldn't we have made a move for them? If Mou only wants Perisic then clearly his scouts haven't found any other players from these thousands, so we can't just assume there are other guys out there that we don't know about
Barca dominated football for a decade playing 433 with fullbacks being the width. United dominated the premiership with full backs providing the width.That's exactly what Perisic does, you said it yourself he's right footed and comes in but he's equally adept at going on the outside. But the main point is he's comfortable at hugging the touchline and putting crosses in when he gets to the byline. That's something none of our current wingers do, Martial likes to run directly at defenders into the box, which is fine but when teams defend deep and narrow there's no space to do that. When teams defend deep having a guy who stays wide and can be a danger with his crosses is exactly the thing that will help unlock defences, it will force the defenders to come out wide to defend against him and will create space in the middle for players like Lukaku and Mikhi.
If Perisic didn't keep the width then tactically he'd add nothing to our current wingers, we need the width because otherwise we're extremely easy to defend against because we don't stretch teams horizontally so all they need to do is defend deep and we'll struggle to break them down. Our fullbacks can't play the same role because they can't stay high up the pitch the whole game otherwise we'll get exposed on the break (unless we play 3 at the back). A full back running from deep is not the same as a winger who's constantly in a wide high up position, in that scenario if he's free all the time he'll expose the opposition if he's good so the team have to adjust their defending to mark him thus creating space in the middle. If a fullback is running from deep the opposition just need their winger to track back and mark him so it's not the same effect tactically.
Barca dominated football for a decade playing 433 with fullbacks being the width. United dominated the premiership with full backs providing the width.
Our team is good in possession but Jose likes to surrender possession to get back in to his defensive shell pre season especially in the 352 we've seen a different tack with people actibly hunting down the ball and pressing high. Valencia and Darmian were mostly playing as wingers.
For me the last season wasn't that Martial, Rashford so on wouldn't provide width it was that Jose didn't allow for them to provide width and Zlatan hampered a lot of the potential that was there.
So you want Peresic because he can go outside and in, so can Lemar and he's a far better player, Dembele played off the left for Rennes and has played off the left for Dortmund. The only reason I can see us being in for Peresic is to play him as a LWB.
Also may I add did you see that game against Fulham where we kept width and were mocked by Rene Meulesteen? Just adding a guy who will stay wide won't add anything. Has to be a good player and he is an alright player.
Barca dominated with technically one of the greatest teams of all time. They were able to do this because they could play in tight spaces and retain possession extremely well so they could shift the opposition about much more easily and create space. Imagine passing the ball to Lukaku and watching him do a Messi by evading multiple tackles and passing to another attacker in space...
Also Fergie United dominated but we always played with a lot of width and proper wingers, even when we had Ronaldo we always played a proper winger on the other side. The whole mantra of the Fergie team was to play very wide and deep to create lots of space inbetween the lines and then use movement and quick passing/decisions to exploit that space. We had attacking fullbacks but that was never in lieu of wide wingers.
The reason Martial and Rashford didn't play wide is because they aren't wingers... What would they do if they took the ball to the byline on their left foot? They aren't going to cross it are they? They'd just turn around and pass or square up to the defender and try to take them on. Actually good evidence of this is the Barca game pre-season, when Rashford played on the right we actually did have very good width because he was able to take the defender on the outside and that gave us a lot of space in the pockets in the middle of the pitch. Rashford never does that on the left because he isn't good with his left foot. Now take this example from a pre-season game of Perisic (skip to 1:58) to see exactly what I'm talking about. This is what he could bring that we don't have right now on the left side, if you've got guys who can do that then teams can't defend deep and narrow because they'll just get exploited by the crosses on the outside
While I agree Dembele and Lemar are better players, they are very unrealistic signings. Why would Dembele come to us when he's got offers from Barcelona? Never mind that Dortmund don't want to sell him anyway. Likewise Monaco are adamant not to sell Lemar and he too has offers from a number of top teams. Yes they are good but right now we aren't even being linked with them and there's no indication whatsoever that we could get them as an alternative to Perisic, both would be incredibly difficult deals to pull off.
The issue is you aren't seeing the bigger picture of the tactical importance of a wide winger on the left side. It's not that Perisic himself will score or assist 15/20 goals. It's that he will bring another element to our attack that can cause new problems and issues for the opposition defence. Last season our team was only threatening through the middle, no one was doing anything productive out wide expect possibly Valencia, but even he rarely put in a good cross which we could score from. If we add another element to our attack, someone dangerous from wide on the outside and who can put dangerous deliveries in, it's not just an option to score from those crosses but also to force the defenders into pulling out wide and making them think about new and different problems. This all helps to unsettle the defence and make the middle less congested or rigid and allow our central players more space and opportunity in dangerous areas to score or create chances.
Any team who attacks very 1 dimensionally is going to be easy to defend against. If a team played only long balls against us, we'd play Fellaini and our tall centre backs and just defend in the box and easily snuff out their approach. However if that team also had tricky wingers who could beat a man and dribble into the box that's now a new element and we'd have to be wary of that. That would allow possibly their fullbacks time and space to put in good deliveries and hence use their aerial ability more effectively. It's a simple example but I'm trying to paint a picture of how the bigger tactical picture works, this is how we need to think about the Perisic signing as that's where the big influence will be.
That Fulham game was just a joke... The reason we put in so many crosses is because we had 0 plan or tactics of how to break teams down so we just got the ball in the only part of the pitch where there is space (on the wings) and just crossed because that's all we could do. There was no plan and that's totally different to the situation we're in now
Barca dominated with technically one of the greatest teams of all time. They were able to do this because they could play in tight spaces and retain possession extremely well so they could shift the opposition about much more easily and create space. Imagine passing the ball to Lukaku and watching him do a Messi by evading multiple tackles and passing to another attacker in space...
Also Fergie United dominated but we always played with a lot of width and proper wingers, even when we had Ronaldo we always played a proper winger on the other side. The whole mantra of the Fergie team was to play very wide and deep to create lots of space inbetween the lines and then use movement and quick passing/decisions to exploit that space. We had attacking fullbacks but that was never in lieu of wide wingers.
The reason Martial and Rashford didn't play wide is because they aren't wingers... What would they do if they took the ball to the byline on their left foot? They aren't going to cross it are they? They'd just turn around and pass or square up to the defender and try to take them on. Actually good evidence of this is the Barca game pre-season, when Rashford played on the right we actually did have very good width because he was able to take the defender on the outside and that gave us a lot of space in the pockets in the middle of the pitch. Rashford never does that on the left because he isn't good with his left foot. Now take this example from a pre-season game of Perisic (skip to 1:58) to see exactly what I'm talking about. This is what he could bring that we don't have right now on the left side, if you've got guys who can do that then teams can't defend deep and narrow because they'll just get exploited by the crosses on the outside
While I agree Dembele and Lemar are better players, they are very unrealistic signings. Why would Dembele come to us when he's got offers from Barcelona? Never mind that Dortmund don't want to sell him anyway. Likewise Monaco are adamant not to sell Lemar and he too has offers from a number of top teams. Yes they are good but right now we aren't even being linked with them and there's no indication whatsoever that we could get them as an alternative to Perisic, both would be incredibly difficult deals to pull off.
The issue is you aren't seeing the bigger picture of the tactical importance of a wide winger on the left side. It's not that Perisic himself will score or assist 15/20 goals. It's that he will bring another element to our attack that can cause new problems and issues for the opposition defence. Last season our team was only threatening through the middle, no one was doing anything productive out wide expect possibly Valencia, but even he rarely put in a good cross which we could score from. If we add another element to our attack, someone dangerous from wide on the outside and who can put dangerous deliveries in, it's not just an option to score from those crosses but also to force the defenders into pulling out wide and making them think about new and different problems. This all helps to unsettle the defence and make the middle less congested or rigid and allow our central players more space and opportunity in dangerous areas to score or create chances.
Any team who attacks very 1 dimensionally is going to be easy to defend against. If a team played only long balls against us, we'd play Fellaini and our tall centre backs and just defend in the box and easily snuff out their approach. However if that team also had tricky wingers who could beat a man and dribble into the box that's now a new element and we'd have to be wary of that. That would allow possibly their fullbacks time and space to put in good deliveries and hence use their aerial ability more effectively. It's a simple example but I'm trying to paint a picture of how the bigger tactical picture works, this is how we need to think about the Perisic signing as that's where the big influence will be.
That Fulham game was just a joke... The reason we put in so many crosses is because we had 0 plan or tactics of how to break teams down so we just got the ball in the only part of the pitch where there is space (on the wings) and just crossed because that's all we could do. There was no plan and that's totally different to the situation we're in now
plenty of better alternatives have been named in this thread alreadyWhile it's true that scouts know more than us and there are players out there we don't know, unless someone can actually name a player who's a better alternative I don't think they can say there are better alternatives out there than Perisic. You can only make that claim if you actually know that there are players and who those players are
Also I'd add a counter to your point anyway, of the 'thousands' of players there's only a handful who are a) good enough b) the right style/type of player c) who are available/realistic to sign. We obviously aren't shopping in the lower leagues or smaller countries so our options are only really limited to the top 5 leagues or the very best players of the next 5-10 leagues. Most of these players are known to us to an extent. Also I think if there were other obvious options out there wouldn't we know about them and wouldn't we have made a move for them? If Mou only wants Perisic then clearly his scouts haven't found any other players from these thousands, so we can't just assume there are other guys out there that we don't know about
Only one matters - Jose.How many people have watched Perisic play somewhat consistently in his time at Inter?
Only one matters - Jose.
