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verminater said:
We should start a club.:lol:
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Can i be in it too?

Although i think jose wants 352, which is why we seem so intent on perisic (perfect player for that formation it seems, with no alternatives), we have the players to be very flexible with 4231 or 433. Would only require one sub, or even none depending on who is in the 3 at the back.

Who do you think will be in thr two? I think miki with (obviously) lukaku.
 
I would guess Lukaku, Mkhi, Martial, Rashford would be in the two spots upfront in a 352. I am surprised we would go 352 tbh, but it seems you may be right!
 
Express saying the deal is now dead... (which probably means he's having a medical at this moment haha) and that JM wants three more signings. Possibly the worst paper for sports these day
 
Redcy said:
I would guess Lukaku, Mkhi, Martial, Rashford would be in the two spots upfront in a 352. I am surprised we would go 352 tbh, but it seems you may be right!
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I Would add Mata too but 5 seems like an overkill though. Maybe someone will get sold next summer especially if Mourinho still insists on getting Griezmann.

Mata did play with Rashford in the first game of pre season.
 
If the deal is indeed dead, I hope it's because Jose has earmarked a different winger and negotiations are advancing....coz we're still very lacking on the wings.

Martial has been promising in pre-season though, perhaps Jose wants to put his full trust in him?
 
I've thought a lot about this transfer and my conclusion is that it'll be good if we have indeed ended our pursuit of him. When it first came out we were interested I was very disheartened like a lot of people as he wasn't the kind of profile I thought was right for the role or club, he's a good player but we've already seen his ceiling and I thought we could do much better. Then, after a while I maybe convinced myself that it was in fact a good idea, after all why not just trust Jose and his plan? He hasn't let us down so far especially in the transfer market.

Now though it looks like we've either moved on to another target or we aren't going to sign a winger this summer. If we do have another target I'm convinced it will be a better calibre of player that will excite us a lot more. If we aren't to sign anyone it's not like we are woefully short anyway and it may be better to wait until next summer and there might be more interesting options available.
 
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I can't really see any good alternative options at the moment. The positive with Perisic was he wouldn't impede Martial's growth and game time long term. Mourinho is still talking about a fourth player, so it would be interesting to see if any reports emerge. I don't see Bale being the signing. I doubt he'll move.
 
Perisic at £40m does not "represent value".

We need younger players. We have many weakness positions that aren't going to be patch up in one or two seasons.
 
Except in a 352 we don't have lots of options, you cacnt play Martial there, Darmian is not a WB and Shaw may not play. So we will end up with a weak left wing
 
The fact we don't seem to be being seriously linked with any other similar players tells me this deal isn't dead.

But it's also gone very quiet. Unsettled the player and expecting him to push for the deal like Matic?

I read an article that suggests he's a player who has had wild days and come through them, so maybe that's not his style. Frustrating, but commendable. Same with Griezmann.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Perisic at £40m does not "represent value".

We need younger players. We have many weakness positions that aren't going to be patch up in one or two seasons.
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Do we though? I would say at least half if not more of our 1st choice 11 is 27 or under. Of Mourinho's 7 signings so far Mhki, Ibra and Matic were over 24. Mourinho is looking for success in the immediate future.
 
With Lemar seemingly available, why are we not in for him? He is a hard working player with good delivery and has potential to be a top left winger.
 
Red Pavan said:
With Lemar seemingly available, why are we not in for him? He is a hard working player with good delivery and has potential to be a top left winger.
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doesn't seem that Monaco are willing to sell him or Fabinho. Not sure how you say he's seemingly available. If he was he would have signed got arsenal already.
 
ChaddyP said:
doesn't seem that Monaco are willing to sell him or Fabinho. Not sure how you say he's seemingly available. If he was he would have signed got arsenal already.
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Arsenal and their persistence to lower the potential transfer fee seems to be the roadblock if you go by what is being reported.
 
Red Pavan said:
Arsenal and their persistence to lower the potential transfer fee seems to be the roadblock if you go by what is being reported.
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If we are going off what's reported Monaco refused 45 million (more than what they took for Silva). Not sure how much you think they were supposed to pay for an unproven young winger that isn't exactly prolific.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Although i think jose wants 352, which is why we seem so intent on perisic (perfect player for that formation it seems, with no alternatives),
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How exactly is Perisic the perfect player for a 3-5-2? And are you telling me there is no better alternative wing back in world football to Perisic, a player who doesn't even play there. Right.
 
Nighteyes said:
How exactly is Perisic the perfect player for a 3-5-2? And are you telling me there is no better alternative wing back in world football to Perisic, a player who doesn't even play there. Right.
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Reading this thread you'd think that Perisic is the last true winger in the world.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Is this even still a thing?
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Inter's sporting director Ausilio has just said: "Antonio Candreva has never been on the market. Ivan Perisic? Same for him. He's an important player and we are discussing with Ivan for a new contract.
 
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mitchmouse said:
Express saying the deal is now dead... (which probably means he's having a medical at this moment haha) and that JM wants three more signings. Possibly the worst paper for sports these day
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The only thing they do well on a consistent basis is goose-stepping.
 
Redcy said:
Except in a 352 we don't have lots of options, you cacnt play Martial there, Darmian is not a WB and Shaw may not play. So we will end up with a weak left wing
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Jose experimented with Lingard there in the first game of pre-season. Granted it was only LA Galaxy, i'd say he was pretty good there.

That said, Darmian looked pretty good against Sampdoria on Wednesday.
 
Nighteyes said:
What a load of shite.

Why would it be ideal to sign a proper winger with Lukaku in? Did Everton have a proper winger last season?

This idea that Lukaku needs a winger to float crosses in is horse shit but seemingly become an accepted fact on here. He's not Andy fecking Carroll and we don't need a Stewart Downing to lump it in.

Also, "lot more productive" lol. Perisic was marginally more productive last season (per minute) and that was his best season. Martial has already done more at 21 in a much better league and at a much bigger club. This down playing of Martial to try and justify this signing is ludicrous.

What Martial needs is a manager who trusts him and gives him the necessary confidence to get the best out of him. Would also help having a full back who crosses the half way line.
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Everton has Baines & Coleman who are very good crossers of the ball. Deulofeu before he left, Bolasie before his injury, Mirallas here & there all do a very good job keeping width & provide crosses from wide area. Are you sure you watch Everton play last season at all?
 
Barcelona has apparent been considering a bid for Perisic to replace Neymar. He'd fit the bill of working hard to get the most out of Messi and Suarez. Plus they see him as a stop gap for Delofeou.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Any other players like Perisic, in terms of hard working left wingers, who could most likely succeed at left wing back too?
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Darmian, Shaw, Lingard and Young for wingback, Martial and Rashford for LW. Save that 50 mil for next year or get Bale.
 
ti vu said:
Everton has Baines & Coleman who are very good crossers of the ball. Deulofeu before he left, Bolasie before his injury, Mirallas here & there all do a very good job keeping width & provide crosses from wide area. Are you sure you watch Everton play last season at all?
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Last time I checked neither Coleman nor Baines are proper wingers. Deolfeu was shit. Bolasie was injured and neither he nor Mirallas are proper wingers anyway. You definitely do not watch Everton.

It's hilarious that people actually want us to sign a winger to lump the ball in the box to Lukaku and Perisic is not even that great a crosser to begin with. If that's all we want to do stick Valencia and Young on the wing and enjoy :drool:
 
Sterling Archer said:
Barcelona has apparent been considering a bid for Perisic to replace Neymar. He'd fit the bill of working hard to get the most out of Messi and Suarez. Plus they see him as a stop gap for Delofeou.
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Well If Barca are interested suddenly half he caf will change their mind about him!
 
Nighteyes said:
Last time I checked neither Coleman nor Baines are proper wingers. Deolfeu was shit. Bolasie was injured and neither he nor Mirallas are proper wingers anyway. You definitely do not watch Everton.

It's hilarious that people actually want us to sign a winger to lump the ball in the box to Lukaku and Perisic is not even that great a crosser to begin with. If that's all we want to do stick Valencia and Young on the wing and enjoy :drool:
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You failed to grasp the fundamental point of keeping width on purpose? If a team has fullbacks that can keep width & provide crossings into the box then the other team need to have somebody keep them in check thus stretch themselves centrally. They don't need out out winger as much. Our best width keeper is Valencia who for many occasion failed to cross the all past the first defender. Can't see where width provided by which Everton players then call somebody not watching Everton. Joke on, mate.

If all your argument is using childish notion to then sure, give me back SAF & his team. We were not the sexiest team, but we're pretty much on point, be it Young, Valencia, Welbeck, Nani...
 
ti vu said:
You failed to grasp the fundamental point of keeping width on purpose? If a team has fullbacks that can keep width & provide crossings into the box then the other team need to have somebody keep them in check thus stretch themselves centrally. They don't need out out winger as much. Our best width keeper is Valencia who for many occasion failed to cross the all past the first defender. Can't see where width provided by which Everton players then call somebody not watching Everton. Joke on, mate.

If all your argument is using childish notion to then sure, give me back SAF & his team. We were not the sexiest team, but we're pretty much on point, be it Young, Valencia, Welbeck, Nani...
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I think it's you who failed to grasp anything at all to be honest on account of not reading the whole conversation before butting in. The point being made was that Lukaku does not need a proper winger to float crosses to him to score goals. He didn't at Everton and doesn't need it at United.

As for needing width, that goes without saying. And the width should come from our full backs. Valencia does it excellently on the right and hopefully Shaw gets the chance to do the same on the left. Chances are Jose will prefer Darmian who'll continue to stink up the left hand side.

In any case, it's looking like common sense has prevailed and we're not interested in this guy any more.
 
ti vu said:
You failed to grasp the fundamental point of keeping width on purpose? If a team has fullbacks that can keep width & provide crossings into the box then the other team need to have somebody keep them in check thus stretch themselves centrally. They don't need out out winger as much. Our best width keeper is Valencia who for many occasion failed to cross the all past the first defender. Can't see where width provided by which Everton players then call somebody not watching Everton. Joke on, mate.

If all your argument is using childish notion to then sure, give me back SAF & his team. We were not the sexiest team, but we're pretty much on point, be it Young, Valencia, Welbeck, Nani...
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So don't you think ideally we should also be looking to use fullbacks to create width and not avaerage wingers? Valencia has it easy in the right wing because we have an forward who cuts in and Valencia overlaps to provide width, even if we did buy Perisic, without a LB support he'd also struggle.
 
This will happen. If you were the board had Jose said that this is the guy we need to succeed and win the league, would you not want to give this to him? You would not quibble over an extra 10million over and above your original top line given the Neymar transfer.
 
redIndianDevil said:
So don't you think ideally we should also be looking to use fullbacks to create width and not avaerage wingers? Valencia has it easy in the right wing because we have an forward who cuts in and Valencia overlaps to provide width, even if we did buy Perisic, without a LB support he'd also struggle.
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I am not saying that. Thing is those good left back would cost around the same or more while it would mean the end of our previous investment in Shaw. Perisic doesn't need an out out attacking left back to support him. The whole idea is for him to cover the flank similarly to Valencia on the right. How does player drift inside make it easy for him? If anything it leaves him isolated & required him to do much more to make something out of it. Shaw used to be afforded similar scenario under LVG but he amounts nothing since he doesn't have the tool to do it. Perisic is similar in a sense.

Nighteyes said:
I think it's you who failed to grasp anything at all to be honest on account of not reading the whole conversation before butting in. The point being made was that Lukaku does not need a proper winger to float crosses to him to score goals. He didn't at Everton and doesn't need it at United.

As for needing width, that goes without saying. And the width should come from our full backs. Valencia does it excellently on the right and hopefully Shaw gets the chance to do the same on the left. Chances are Jose will prefer Darmian who'll continue to stink up the left hand side.

In any case, it's looking like common sense has prevailed and we're not interested in this guy any more.
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And here come again in full circle. Everton full backs offer the width & the crosses. Your full backs can do that you don't need winger to do so. Do you even read, mate?

For the record, I am all in for Shaw fight for the game time, and by that I keep saying we should stay off the market for a left back for this transfer window since they're quite expensive & some is not that proven (Mendy). Thing is he is currently injured & when he's clear to back to full training (by the sound of it is September), likely he's behind other in term of fitness due to miss the pre season. So that's like at least couple months into the season. To put gamble on Shaw, without reinforce the left wing at all either via left back or left winger, then bitching about Darmian is rich.

It seems like the case since our last bid, but you never know. Transfer window is not closed yet. Common sense show that Mourinho clearly wanted a player to provide width from the left wing.
 
ti vu said:
And here come again in full circle. Everton full backs offer the width & the crosses. Your full backs can do that you don't need winger to do so. Do you even read, mate?

For the record, I am all in for Shaw fight for the game time, and by that I keep saying we should stay off the market for a left back for this transfer window since they're quite expensive & some is not that proven (Mendy). Thing is he is currently injured & when he's clear to back to full training (by the sound of it is September), likely he's behind other in term of fitness due to miss the pre season. So that's like at least couple months into the season. To put gamble on Shaw, without reinforce the left wing at all either via left back or left winger, then bitching about Darmian is rich.

It seems like the case since our last bid, but you never know. Transfer window is not closed yet. Common sense show that Mourinho clearly wanted a player to provide width from the left wing.
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You're struggling here. Lukaku doesn't need people pinging in crosses to score goals so the idea that we need a proper winger to float in crosses is nonsense. And not even a great crosser at that.

And Mourinho doesn't fancy Shaw. He didn't fancy him when he was fit. He seems to prefer Darmian. feck knows why. We should have gone out and bought a left back. Signing a 50m winger who's not better than 57m player we already have to compensate for Jose's reluctance in playing Shaw or signing an actual LB would be absurd. All because he crosses a ball. Jesus wept.
 
Nighteyes said:
You're struggling here. Lukaku doesn't need people pinging in crosses to score goals so the idea that we need a proper winger to float in crosses is nonsense. And not even a great crosser at that.

And Mourinho doesn't fancy Shaw. He didn't fancy him when he was fit. He seems to prefer Darmian. feck knows why. We should have gone out and bought a left back. Signing a 50m winger who's not better than 57m player we already have to compensate for Jose's reluctance in playing Shaw or signing an actual LB would be absurd. All because he crosses a ball. Jesus wept.
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Yep hard to disagree with this as I would prefer to add another £10m and test the waters with Sandro but at the same time I do think Perisic is an upgrade on our left hand side unless Martial can kick on. But then even if he did it would be great competition either way. The signing of either these two players would sit well with me. Because Jose has to either gamble on one of either Shaw or Martial coming good.
 
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