Ivan Perisic

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Nighteyes said:
You're struggling here. Lukaku doesn't need people pinging in crosses to score goals so the idea that we need a proper winger to float in crosses is nonsense. And not even a great crosser at that.

And Mourinho doesn't fancy Shaw. He didn't fancy him when he was fit. He seems to prefer Darmian. feck knows why. We should have gone out and bought a left back. Signing a 50m winger who's not better than 57m player we already have to compensate for Jose's reluctance in playing Shaw or signing an actual LB would be absurd. All because he crosses a ball. Jesus wept.
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Winger doesn't need to always cross... Can't even understand the fundamental of giving width for the team? Valencia was not very productive, but clearly he's extremely useful to just give width. Get it?

When Shaw was last "fit"? Under LVG before breaking his leg maybe? Excluding his long term laid off in his second season, he had other 2 seasons with all kind of injuries too. He's nursing one atm too. The more you talk the more you exposed yourself as lack any understanding of football. Darmian is for most used for defensive purpose with his main asset is his tactical & positional discipline. His lack of ability to offer width is why there is this pursue of Perisic in the first place. Which left back should we buy? Mendy for record fee for defender, who had a great season while his previous seasons ain't that outstanding? Alex Sandro where Juventus refused to sell? Who else?

You're tripping all over the place... Give it a rest. Ffs.

Lawman said:
Yep hard to disagree with this as I would prefer to add another £10m and test the waters with Sandro but at the same time I do think Perisic is an upgrade on our left hand side unless Martial can kick on. But then even if he did it would be great competition either way. The signing of either these two players would sit well with me. Because Jose has to either gamble on one of either Shaw or Martial coming good.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...dro-transfer-news-rule-out-deal-a7868711.html

The pool for a left back is pretty shallow. I think City got the highest profile left back available in this window. And IMO Mendy is very much unproven in many aspects when it comes for his record fee.
 
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Lawman said:
I do think Perisic is an upgrade on our left hand side unless Martial can kick on
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Is this really true though? I'm not trying to put down Perisic here. He's a decent enough player. Martial had a stop start season last time round but their productivity per minute was almost identical last season. The answer to everything cannot be to sign more players or spend more money. Surely at some point we've got to look at our own squad and say "we can get more out of this lot". If Martial was playing for Monaco we'd be drooling over him. The guy is a top level talent.
 
ti vu said:
Winger doesn't need to always cross... Can't even understand the fundamental of giving width for the team? Valencia was not very productive, but clearly he's extremely useful to just give width. Get it?
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You really need to start reading some posts soon. I said we needed width and that it should come from full backs. That's not a very hard statement to comprehend surely, even for you.

When Shaw was last "fit"? Under LVG before breaking his leg maybe? Excluding his long term laid off in his second season, he had other 2 seasons with all kind of injuries too. He's nursing one atm too. The more you talk the more you exposed yourself as lack any understanding of football. Darmian is for most used for defensive purpose with his main asset is his tactical & positional discipline. Which left back should we buy? Mendy for record fee for defender, who had a great season while his previous seasons ain't that outstanding? Alex Sandro where Juventus refused to sell? Who else?

You're tripping all over the place... Give it a rest. Ffs.
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You also seemingly need to pay more attention to United. Shaw was dropped quite a lot of times last season even when he was fit. Jose quite simply did not fancy him for whatever reason. And considering he's got an appalling injury record it should have been a no brainer to sign a new LB. You're actually justifying not signing a LB by saying Shaw has been injured for 2 years. Ffs:lol: if Jose had shown that he trusted Shaw then I would have persevered with Shaw but he hasn't.

Mendy would have been a good signing, yes. There was also Robertson at Hull who Liverpool have got for an absolute bargain. You can get excellent players even without spending 50m you know? I'm quite sure there are quite a lot of full backs around who'd be a huge improvement on Darmian who wouldn't cost 50m. Or we could have just used CBJ who looked excellent under LVG.
 
Nighteyes said:
Is this really true though? I'm not trying to put down Perisic here. He's a decent enough player. Martial had a stop start season last time round but their productivity per minute was almost identical last season. The answer to everything cannot be to sign more players or spend more money. Surely at some point we've got to look at our own squad and say "we can get more out of this lot". If Martial was playing for Monaco we'd be drooling over him. The guy is a top level talent.
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It's not a knock on Martial. It's an upgrade of the overall squad depth by acquiring a different element with the stylistic play Perisic would offer. If you look closely what was said was Perisic would be an upgrade on our left hand side, not Martial, which is fair to say.

Tbf I'm not a fan of bringing in Perisic especially at the reported price but do understand it from José's perspective in regards to the team. Simply put there's no real LW option other than Martial and although he has boatloads of untapped potential, we just need to be a bit more competitive there / better safe than sorry incase he has a repeat year of last season. Yes he had an off year last year but man has he looked electric this pre season tour. Unfortunately it's not the actual season so hard to say how long he'd be able to maintain his current form once the EPL kicks off. More so just a safety blanket move *if it the rumours come to fruition* and in no real way would it be harmful to Martial.

...nice to have a youngster with as much potential he has compete with someone more prime aged who brings a different dynamic. At the end of the day it's all about competition and that extra bit of fire under Martial should help him knowing he has to stay in peak form if he wants to play as much as he seeks. Gotta earn it and he'd know he has to up the consistency department when he plays. Plus it'd be great for JM having Perisic tactically when going up against certain sides to make games more manageable.
 
Nighteyes said:
You really need to start reading some posts soon. I said we needed width and that it should come from full backs. That's not a very hard statement to comprehend surely, even for you.



You also seemingly need to pay more attention to United. Shaw was dropped quite a lot of times last season even when he was fit. Jose quite simply did not fancy him for whatever reason. And considering he's got an appalling injury record it should have been a no brainer to sign a new LB. You're actually justifying not signing a LB by saying Shaw has been injured for 2 years. Ffs:lol: if Jose had shown that he trusted Shaw then I would have persevered with Shaw but he hasn't.

Mendy would have been a good signing, yes. There was also Robertson at Hull who Liverpool have got for an absolute bargain. You can get excellent players even without spending 50m you know? I'm quite sure there are quite a lot of full backs around who'd be a huge improvement on Darmian who wouldn't cost 50m. Or we could have just used CBJ who looked excellent under LVG.
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Then reread my post. Our supposed best left back that has ability to provide width are Shaw & Young who is carrying injury. Going into the season handicapped... great idea.

Pin point those "lot of times", then discuss. What preservation has to do with Shaw when he's injured plenty of time & couldn't take his chance with his performance? Are you saying Shaw playing great & got dropped?

I am not justifying not signing a left back but can you read along the lines that there's hardly any worth the money left back available? Robertson. Really? Young + cheap = what we need? All this we can get this & this for less, yet I saw no suggestions. Specific name please.

I like CBJ alot, but being realistic here, he lost his way last season with his loan to Wolves. CBJ just like Martial is better for specific style. As for the whole covering the entire flank, he yet to showed he has the lung for that. For Darmian 's role, he still has plenty to prove where Wolves loan is a huge loss chance.
 
Markolan said:
Inter's sporting director Ausilio has just said: "Antonio Candreva has never been on the market. Ivan Perisic? Same for him. He's an important player and we are discussing with Ivan for a new contract.
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Ah, so it's looking very unlikely.
 
Nighteyes said:
If Perisic signs then it's beginning of the end of Martial at United unless Jose plans to play him up top. You can quote me on that.
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Bit of a stretch to say lol but sure we can all have our say.

Perisic won't be here for 10 years if he signs let alone 5. Likely it's a 3ish year thing adding competition to the position until Martial fully develops and takes the starting role for good in which case Perisic transitions to a backup option as he enters his 30s.

Wouldn't call that the end of Tony. It's just healthy competition so Martial can't sit on his ass and repeat the sort of year he had last year knowing there's no real threat to take his job. Look I thoroughly love Martial and the potential he has but he's not consistent enough to be a regular. If he proves it then he's earned it. Not written in stone Perisic automatically takes the starting job, similarly to Lindelof. New signings don't always = starting role. Just look at Mikhi last season. And like I said, it's more so Mourinho wanting a different dynamic in the style Perisic offers to neutralize bigger or certain clubs. Just off the top of my head, Martial would be my regular starter for United even with Perisic bought in but it's more of when you come up against a side like let's say Real Madrid or Bayern in the CL. Yes Martial is the more gifted of the 2 but he's too raw to be put up against those teams imo. Gotta think of this as part of the bigger picture. José is all about results and everyone knows that. Perisic would bring a more adventageous dynamic against a team like that in terms of helping neutralize the side. I get if you're Monaco and all you have is youngsters to play so that's what you'd have to role with. But we're not. With JM, it's about having a mixture of talents to work with / being readily available with the options and styles needed to go up against any opponent.


...either or I don't mind regardless. Get Perisic, cool. If not, Martial has the spotlight all to himself and oppurtunity to prove himself. Only thing about that is it might break him in terms of 'make or break' campaign but I'd be just as confident in him anyways.
 
ti vu said:
I am not saying that. Thing is those good left back would cost around the same or more while it would mean the end of our previous investment in Shaw. Perisic doesn't need an out out attacking left back to support him. The whole idea is for him to cover the flank similarly to Valencia on the right. How does player drift inside make it easy for him? If anything it leaves him isolated & required him to do much more to make something out of it. Shaw used to be afforded similar scenario under LVG but he amounts nothing since he doesn't have the tool to do it. Perisic is similar in a sense.


And here come again in full circle. Everton full backs offer the width & the crosses. Your full backs can do that you don't need winger to do so. Do you even read, mate?

For the record, I am all in for Shaw fight for the game time, and by that I keep saying we should stay off the market for a left back for this transfer window since they're quite expensive & some is not that proven (Mendy). Thing is he is currently injured & when he's clear to back to full training (by the sound of it is September), likely he's behind other in term of fitness due to miss the pre season. So that's like at least couple months into the season. To put gamble on Shaw, without reinforce the left wing at all either via left back or left winger, then bitching about Darmian is rich.

It seems like the case since our last bid, but you never know. Transfer window is not closed yet. Common sense show that Mourinho clearly wanted a player to provide width from the left wing.
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When Mata/Miki or whoever plays on the right drifts in, he occupies a defender with him leaving Valencia 1v1 with a fullback or winger who tracks back ,that's why Valencia has looked so good on the right side without being productive. On the left side it's usually Martial/Rashford taking on two defenders because there is zero support from the LB and they always end up being crowded out by the defenders and lose possession.

Shaw has already had two serious injuries so we don't know if he will ever be the same again plus Mourinho didn't rate him when he was fit. Also we don't have a proper LB now, Blind is jack-of-all-trades sort of player, Darmian is actually a RB so I don't think it will hurt us if we get another LB.
 
The more I watch us play 3-5-2 the more I want him.

1. With Valencia and Perisic on opposite wings then 'stretching the opposition defence' actually becomes possible.
2 Playing with two forwards instead of one increases the value of crosses.
3. With Ibrahimovic and Rooney gone we are going to be able to counter attack a lot more.
 
This one is dead. We obviously have no intention of paying what they want for him.
 
Expect it to happen before the deadline, inter are playing hardball but they know this is only chance to cash in on him.

Case of who blinks and gives in first now.
 
Roboc7 said:
Expect it to happen before the deadline, inter are playing hardball but they know this is only chance to cash in on him.

Case of who blinks and gives in first now.
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I think it is more dependent on Bale. Once Madrid get Mbappe Bale's days are numbered there and he has to decide if he wants to start or sit on the bench.
If he reads the writing on the wall correctly, he will come to us and Perisic is stuck at Inter.
 
ravi2 said:
I think it is more dependent on Bale. Once Madrid get Mbappe Bale's days are numbered there and he has to decide if he wants to start or sit on the bench.
If he reads the writing on the wall correctly, he will come to us and Perisic is stuck at Inter.
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I can't see us paying 90 odd million for bale, his injuries are persistent and good chance they will only get worse.
 
Roboc7 said:
I can't see us paying 90 odd million for bale, his injuries are persistent and good chance they will only get worse.
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I agree, his injury record at Madrid is horrendus, however our side simply doesnt have enough goals in it to win the league imo.
Bale is very risky, but perhaps a risk worth taking if we are to win titles
 
Surprised we aren't trying for Lemar. Very little wingers left to be honest so Perisic might not be the worst option. Just hope Martial will get his chance to prove himself.
 
El-Manos said:
Surprised we aren't trying for Lemar. Very little wingers left to be honest so Perisic might not be the worst option. Just hope Martial will get his chance to prove himself.
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Agreed, apart from Perisic or Lemar, not sure how many other available wingers are out there who could do the job for us on the LW
 
ravi2 said:
I agree, his injury record at Madrid is horrendus, however our side simply doesnt have enough goals in it to win the league imo.
Bale is very risky, but perhaps a risk worth taking if we are to win titles
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No doubt a fully fit bale transforms the look of the squad but he might never be fully fit for any length of time.

I get the temptation but Madrid will probably want their money back or even a profit and i just can't see us going for it.
 
Roboc7 said:
No doubt a fully fit bale transforms the look of the squad but he might never be fully fit for any length of time.

I get the temptation but Madrid will probably want their money back or even a profit and i just can't see us going for it.
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I just dont see where all the goals are going to come from for us to win the title this year, our attack is basically the same.
We need a winger/forward. If not Perisic or Bale, then who?
 
El-Manos said:
Surprised we aren't trying for Lemar. Very little wingers left to be honest so Perisic might not be the worst option. Just hope Martial will get his chance to prove himself.
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He should have been our top target but Monaco wont sell
 
Escobar said:
He should have been our top target but Monaco wont sell
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I get the sense that if we offered what Inter want to Perisic (£50m), Monaco will consider selling Lemar.
Also it denies Arsenal one of their primary targets so its a double bonus for us
 
ravi2 said:
I get the sense that if we offered what Inter want to Perisic (£50m), Monaco will consider selling Lemar.
Also it denies Arsenal one of their primary targets so its a double bonus for us
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Arsenal offered that already it was reported. The answer was always no. Monaco does not need or want to sell and they only let players go that can be replaced easily. Mbappe might be the first one thats different
 
K2K said:
It would be stupid to refuse what Inter demand and then crumble at the end of the window

I hope we are looking elsewhere.
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We have to be looking elsewhere I imagine, or else we'd have bought Perisic by now. There is only a £10m difference in valuation between what we offered and what Inter wants.
 
ravi2 said:
I get the sense that if we offered what Inter want to Perisic (£50m), Monaco will consider selling Lemar.
Also it denies Arsenal one of their primary targets so its a double bonus for us
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Very different player to Perisic. I'd much rather have him at United, he has such a touch of class. However I don't see Monaco selling him, nor him being Jose' final piece of the puzzle.
 
Red_toad said:
Very different player to Perisic. I'd much rather have him at United, he has such a touch of class. However I don't see Monaco selling him, nor him being Jose' final piece of the puzzle.
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I agree Id rather Lemar but it appears that Jose is fixated on Perisic and I think if Bale doesnt become available we will swoop in at the last minute and pay what Inter want to get him.
 
Nighteyes said:
Is this really true though? I'm not trying to put down Perisic here. He's a decent enough player. Martial had a stop start season last time round but their productivity per minute was almost identical last season. The answer to everything cannot be to sign more players or spend more money. Surely at some point we've got to look at our own squad and say "we can get more out of this lot". If Martial was playing for Monaco we'd be drooling over him. The guy is a top level talent.
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Martials great but hes great as a wing forward or up front.
You drag him back to the half way line and midfield to start and build attacks and hes pretty limited really. I cant complain about him defensively but it feels a waste too.

Mourinho has set up the team to need a different kind of player to Martial and Rashford on the left imo
Getting someone as a kind of midpoint between Shaw and Martial seems sensible enough to me.
 
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When Mata/Miki or whoever plays on the right drifts in, he occupies a defender with him leaving Valencia 1v1 with a fullback or winger who tracks back ,that's why Valencia has looked so good on the right side without being productive. On the left side it's usually Martial/Rashford taking on two defenders because there is zero support from the LB and they always end up being crowded out by the defenders and lose possession.

Shaw has already had two serious injuries so we don't know if he will ever be the same again plus Mourinho didn't rate him when he was fit. Also we don't have a proper LB now, Blind is jack-of-all-trades sort of player, Darmian is actually a RB so I don't think it will hurt us if we get another LB.
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Yes tacticl wise, it is how it happened, but it does not make it is easier by any stretch for the full back. As I pointed out, Shaw was afforded same scenario especially whn we played 3 at the back at the start of LVG stint. He couldn't do anything. Or for example, remember what happened before Neymar scored in our preseason match? We gave Blindacres of space & a chance to go 1 on 1 vs Semedo. Blind felt isolated and made a shiteearly cross leading to us being countered and conceded.

The point is tactic are utlizied to suit the personnel. Until Shaw and Young is back we don't have that lb back into the season. AsI said, I don't think there are many goodleft back available. Taking punt we should rather give the chance to our own. A winger like Perisic would be a fix where he would help the left backout by offering width while not blocking Martial and Shaaw chance
 
I'd prefer this guy over Bale, there's not many in Europe I'd take.

United could have probably afforded Neymar or Mbappe but United really need to have a stellar season in Europe this year, It's sad that United are still rebuilding but other teams are just going so far beyond United now it's worrying, I really think Perisic is a smart move to address what's missing in the short term.

When you look at FFP is aggregated over ~3 seasons too, I'd much rather address the squad by adding Perisic and spending bigger in new windows.

I hope Martial steps up this year too.

Dead wood still needs to be cleared out.
 
A few months ago if we had a top wingers in the World thread Perisic's name would not get mentioned and now you guys would sign him over Bale. You guys are cute.
 
Seems this is Morata 2 now. We probably stopped pursing him because there's another target available that we see a chance to sign, Bale ?
 
Even if we intend to play a 3-5-2. I'd much rather we play with shaw and valencia as wing banks. Shaw clearly has the talent and its not unreasonable for him to be allowed one more opportunity.

Perisic is a good player no doubt but I have my reservations on how useful he would be as a winger. His party trick is outpacing the full back and crossing accurately, this could very well be threatened in a league where defenders are faster. Spending 40 million plus on a player such as that seems a bit odd, no wonder we are so reluctant to pay.

We have a very solid squad with good back up options and with the right mentality, it can work wonders. I just don't see how perisic adds that much value. Ok if we do buy him, big deal if we don't.
 
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