I appreciate your comments but that is not the point. We need players to give width and not to come inside so much. It's easy to defend against and leads to lots of nil nils - sound familiar?? Barca real Bayern all have pacey players up front and stretch the game. You are advocating more of a narrow formation where we don't utilise the space, don't score any goals and chuck Fellaini on to hoof the ball upto as a plan b. Sadly I think Jose agrees with you not me on tactics.
Ivan Perisic
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Well it has led to 5th 6th and 4th for united and I much preferred the days of Giggs on the left and beckham on the right. Giggs was always less effective on the right but a great player. I just feel we lack balance and width moving forward and it stilts an expansive game. However as I said above not sure Jose is after an expansive game. Hope he proves me wrong.
Our main problem last season was lack of goals so I'm not sure why Perisic's willingness or ability to work hard or track back is important.
Because Mourinho. He will be expected to to both in equal parts and if we're thinking of using 3 at the back which I expect we are, we would be screwed if either wide player doesn't work hard in this respect.
Any deal involving Martial, should be laughed at. Martial has the potential to be 10 times the player of Perisic.
He needs an arm round him and care, something SAF was very good at but I've not seen this with Jose (yet).
He needs an arm round him and care, something SAF was very good at but I've not seen this with Jose (yet).
If we are really so concerned about width on the left hand side then we would be infinitely better off spending the money on an elite left back.
Having someone like Sandro behind Martial would be much more dangerous than having the limited Darmian behind the limited Perisic like.
Having someone like Sandro behind Martial would be much more dangerous than having the limited Darmian behind the limited Perisic like.
Width in today's game is supposed to be provided by the fb's, all the players we play on rw cut inside and no one has any issues with that because valencia provides the width in that case, we don't need a winger we need a reliable fullback, martial is a much maligned figure right now but watch any of his games and see how much help he actually gets from the lb, it is generally none. Also we have pacey players, lukaku, martial, rashford and mkhi are rapid, it is not pace that we lack in currently.
if you have both fullbacks bombing forward essentially playing as wingbacks, and only leave two CBs in defence, you run the risk of being exposed horribly. hence usually managers will play 3 at the back to cover for this. Jose usually doesn't play 3 at the back, so he's happy for one fullback to not be too ridiculously offensive. it's his tactics. he wants a left winger to create width, simple. with Matic as a proper defensive midfielder, maybe he can provide more options, and drop back to cover for Shaw, if Jose does require him to attack more. that in turn would then help Martial. but having Perisic gives us a different option, which is always useful to have against opponents.
Agree re full backs but we used to have flying wingers AND flying full backs! Martial would make a fine no 9 playing with lukaku as would Rashford. We d be exciting to watch and school shed loads of goals. Unfortunately our manager and his predecessor are too pragmatic and negative to entertain such a formation.
He's a good player, but good players don't win you titles. We should be in the market for someone with more flair and game-winning ability in attack. I understand he's versatile and hard-working but our squad is 90% made up of grafters. We simply need more than that.
Dante and Mandzukic say hi.....
There's many more you could add to that..
That was admittedly a poor way of phrasing it. Rather, we have a very powerful and industrious squad. We're in dire need of more flair in attack IMO, as even up top some of our players are more renowned for their physical qualities instead of technical.
Someone like Sanchez would be a different proposition altogether, but perhaps we are out of flair, attacking player options anyway.
He isn't a limited workhorse. He doesn't just get to the byline and 'hoof' it in. He is a better winger than Martial will ever be. Mourinho wants a proper winger with pace and consistency. Stop watering down the abilities of Perisic for the sake of your preference on how you think we should play.
We dont have a single proper winger at the club, and with the signing of Lukaku, it would probably be ideal to have one. Beyond that, Perisic's style of play would suit us better and he'll be a lot more productive that Martial. Martial can barely put in a proper cross. Martial constantly looking to dance inside makes the box even more crowded, we'd benefit from stretching teams a bit more. Nowhere did Mourinho say Martial isn't talented. He is, however it's clear we need something different on the left hand side.
People need to stop calling Perisic LIMITED. What does that make Martial then? He does the same thing time and time again. Perisic is also two footed. Perisic is NOT the limited one here.
You are supposed to attack and defend as a TEAM. He would put up more goals and assists than the other wide players in our team anyway.
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This one seems dead, unless we cough up some serious cash and Perisic throws a hissy fit
What a load of shite.
Why would it be ideal to sign a proper winger with Lukaku in? Did Everton have a proper winger last season?
This idea that Lukaku needs a winger to float crosses in is horse shit but seemingly become an accepted fact on here. He's not Andy fecking Carroll and we don't need a Stewart Downing to lump it in.
Also, "lot more productive" lol. Perisic was marginally more productive last season (per minute) and that was his best season. Martial has already done more at 21 in a much better league and at a much bigger club. This down playing of Martial to try and justify this signing is ludicrous.
What Martial needs is a manager who trusts him and gives him the necessary confidence to get the best out of him. Would also help having a full back who crosses the half way line.
If you do that you expose the two centre backs, unless we are going 352, which I don't see us doing, at the moment the left back generally tucks in because we have TV on the right bombing forward, to give width on that side.
Its not about lumping the ball into the box its about having a different option. Martial always goes inside, always dribbles through the centre, which given we are often playing against teams who are sat back means he has to dribble past everyone. Teams are now aware of what he is going to do and setup against that
I said it would be IDEAL. Also, Everton had Bolasie who would look to swing in crosses before he got injured. No, Lukaku doesn't NEED for crosses to be constantly put in, but he would benefit from a better supply of crosses. He's a striker, he likes to attack balls coming into the box.
Mourinho can give Martial as much confidence as he possibly can. That will NOT suddenly make Martial a better player on the outside. A better player on the direct transition from defence to attack. It will not make him two footed. Perisic has proven himself to be a top performer for Croatia, a constant and real threat down the left hand side. Direct and actively productive towards goal. I have run out of posts allowed (I'm only allowed 5 a day), so i'll update this post if you want to continue this.
This is where Martial needs to learn to vary his game - he has shown many times he is more than capable of taking the ball outside, driving to the byline before crossing. His assist for Lingard against Real is just an example. He needs to do that more often as he has the pace, power and skill to beat most defenders if he learns to be less predictable. Having a LB making overlaps on his left will also help him tons, rather than leaving him to dribble against 2 or 3 defenders.
C'mon. We're Manchester United. Our full backs absolutely should be bombing on and providing us width and stretching the game. Not worrying about whether it exposes the CBs. Every single big club does this and we're stuck with Darmian plodding around. Look at City's full backs for fecks sake or even Evertons.
Inter have just bought a Uruguayan midfielder for 21 million and their finances are not so good so now's the chance to get Perisic.
Bolasie barely did anything before he got injured. You don't need a traditional winger to get the best out of Lukaku.
Another myth regarding Martial is that he doesn't go on the outside. He definitely does. He did it in his first season, did it last season and has already done it in preseason. No, he'll not get chalk on his boots and float crosses in. That's never going to be his game and we shouldn't try to convert him into that. He has it in him to be a devastating inside forward who can dribble and score lots of goals with his finishing. We should be trying to get the best out of him. And involves giving him some freedom and trust. Not benching him the first time he has a bad game. And a full back who can provide us the width will only improve us as a team.
Mourinho needs to get more out of martial, has its in his game to be devastating he needs to tactically make sure our forwards are more dynamic when they attack. He's signed matic now which we would think lets guys like pogba and herrera be closer to the forwards, especially pogba has herrera I would imagine would cover the ground with matic, allowing pogba to link up with martial, lukaka and mkhi, so we have direction, pace and movement to really hurt teams. While we do need another winger, its tactical signings that we have got so far that is what is needed
I would imagine tactically we would look more like this in some games, so I would expect matic and herrera to do most of the leg work and shielding and pogba driving our attacks
----------matic
---herrera
----------pogba----------
-mkhi----lukaku----martial
What do SerieA fans on here think about Perisic. Would love to here your thoughts on him as a player. @Vialli_92 @Nedved and anyone else who has maybe watched him play in SerieA, cheers..
Would love to see him here after watching us play 352. Balenciaga and darmian consistently had free space & lukaku and second strikers were consistently in the box.
A player who can add to the defensive and attacking positions of the left all the whilst giving Luke shaw some Lee-way back to the team
A player who can add to the defensive and attacking positions of the left all the whilst giving Luke shaw some Lee-way back to the team
Looking at Jose's press conference post-sampdoria you can see he was sending a message to the board with his comments on Neymar. If that transfer goes through players are going to have even more inflated prices. That includes Perisic. So what you think is expensive is actually the new normal. I predict that we will sign Perisic before the Neymar transfer or within 2 days after it.
Interesting way to look at it. I actually just thought he was winding up Barcelona and La Liga for their histrionics over the transfer.
In either case, I think this will be an anomaly. Not because I don't think offers like this will be thrown around but because I don't see most players of this caliber getting into such situations. Ronaldo has thrown a hissy fit several times, Ramos hinting at leaving but in all those cases it really was just about attention and money. Neymar is I think unique in wanting to leave one of the top top tier of elite clubs in such a fashion. Its weirder thsn Figo joining Madrid or RVP to us. Those all went through without over the top fees for the time.
Just read he had a conversion rate of 10% last season (worst of any Serie A player to hit 10+ goals). He's gonna fit right in.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/calc...ert-passando-per-kondogbia-e-murillo-il-punto
Saying that United haven't returned for Perisic in the last few days and he says that now Perisic will stay at Inter.
Saying that United haven't returned for Perisic in the last few days and he says that now Perisic will stay at Inter.
Actually is says he *could* stay, not that he *will* stay.
Last season Tottenham conceded fewer goals than us and they had two fullbacks attacking everytime, City and Liverpool may have conceded more goals than us but they still ended up with a far better goal difference and a higher league position than us. We already have bought in an DM purely for protecting the defence, Pogba and Herrera are all box to box midfielders meaning they also help out in defence then what is the need for a full back who pretty much plays as a CB? We are not frigging West Brom.
IMO the problem with our left side is that there is no support from LB for our attacker whoever it may be, if you replace Perisic with Martial then it would just mean Perisic running towards the corner flag and putting in aimless crosses into box which will already be overloaded with opposition defenders.
That's just like your opinion man.
Yay!!
We chose to trust shaw so patience and adaptation is united's way till then.
Looking at last nights game and the starting formation, you can understand how Perisic would fit in, forget favourites for the time being, if Perisic started instead of Darmian (who played quite well). Tony and Ivan would give us natural width as wing backs and also the flexibility to change formation without making substitutions, Tony can drop back as a traditional RB, The left sided CB (Blind, who did'nt play well) drops to LB and we have a tradional back four with whatever formation in front of them 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-2-1 etc
Inter's asking price is a stumbling block.
I get the impression perisic is being signed to play lm in a 352. Somewhere martial could not play.
I agree, but if we pay 10-15m over the top, but win the league it would be worth it, it depends on how much difference Jose thinks he will make, I personally hope that Shaw would be able to play as a LWB and give us the balance needed, but having missed the pre-season he will be a good or so behind with his fitness, Perisic is not the WOW most fans want but I am beginning to reason behind it.
How dare you!
I got shouted down for suggesting that when we found out who our targets were.
As did I.
We should start a club.
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