Ivan Perisic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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They are getting desperate now. Hope we walk away from this one and go for Bale if he's available. Would be a nice big 'feck off' to inter for being greedy.Offer 35m euros in 10 installments over 3 years.
Well, we might monitor the Bale situation before committing to Perisic.
@Sterling Archer: I hear what you are saying mate. We need solid performers who would take our side to the next level, and make us competitive in every position. But I am inclined to say that given the state of our team, Matic represents better value for money than Perisic.
And here's where I differ from your opinion : I feel hard pressed to believe that Perisic is the only viable target for us. I certainly remember mentioning in my first post that he's being targeted for his consistent wingplay; I like the lad and his direct approach on the wings - hell, I am a sucker for flying wingers myself.
But shouldn't we as a club look for building a side with players who would really transform our side? If not, why not take a calculated gamble with a signing like Herrera then? Perisic looks like we are settling for the most obvious choice for us, and that fact would play on a lot of minds.
Age and talent should together be parameters when looking to sign players IMO. I would add so many names to those who were hyped list that you got there but people easily forget - for every Depay that was signed, there's always a Van Nistelrooy, mind you.
And here's where I differ from your opinion : I feel hard pressed to believe that Perisic is the only viable target for us. I certainly remember mentioning in my first post that he's being targeted for his consistent wingplay; I like the lad and his direct approach on the wings - hell, I am a sucker for flying wingers myself.
But shouldn't we as a club look for building a side with players who would really transform our side? If not, why not take a calculated gamble with a signing like Herrera then? Perisic looks like we are settling for the most obvious choice for us, and that fact would play on a lot of minds.
Age and talent should together be parameters when looking to sign players IMO. I would add so many names to those who were hyped list that you got there but people easily forget - for every Depay that was signed, there's always a Van Nistelrooy, mind you.
These Inter fecks have realised we're not about to be shafted and will walk away, and are now practically begging us.
I hope so, too. Let's walk away from this one and snatch up the Lazio player Inter wants.
Now they are talking
I get the feeling that we have already walked away from this
I get the feeling that we have already walked away from this
If we walked away from this to focus on Bale then more power to us.
Inter should have accepted our offer, it was very generous. Now they are stuck with a player that doesnt want to be there and I cannot imagine anyone bidding as high as we went
Inter should have accepted our offer, it was very generous. Now they are stuck with a player that doesnt want to be there and I cannot imagine anyone bidding as high as we went
Fantastic wingplay
I'm thinking that we're only stringing this along as a back up plan.
If we can't get Bale/Neymar/Downing or whoever it is we're after, we would surely pay what is required.
If we can't get Bale/Neymar/Downing or whoever it is we're after, we would surely pay what is required.
So, you are saying that they played hard to get while we tried to "woo" them.
Then when we got a little bored and perhaps even moved onto another catch, they are begging for us to "woo" them again.
Be mean, keep 'em keen...
Shows exactly what we lack on the flanks. Moving behind the defender then making a cross for the striker, something I don't remember the last time I saw a United player do it.
ONe touch first time cross wingplay from the left side! Something that has been severely missing since like forever. I like him but if United is monitoring other players before committing, I think it is better to play the long game.
Rashford can whip in a mean cross from time to time but it's usually his third or fourth option. We clearly don't have anyone in the squad right now who sees their primary function as getting into space and putting good deliveries into the box.
He's in my country now for preseason with Inter
I'll ask him whether he's coming to United if i see him on the streets
I'll ask him whether he's coming to United if i see him on the streets
and I thought we dont need a winger who hugs a touchline (altho he tucks in a lot), how many crosses like that we've seen last year?
Funnily enough I'm with you that Perisic is not the end all, be all answer. I guess I'm just in favor of him versus some of the other names that perhaps are more flashy in style. Fwiw if Bale is available I'd rather us spend £100 mil on him than half that on Perisic
Don't mean to disregard the rest of your post - very fair points. I just have to run.
There's on defending that cross, he had them all over the place. Direct and on a plate. Great movement too off the ball.
No chance you get Dembele in this market, from Dortmund, at less than 80m, I would guess they would ask for 100m
What a cross that was, begging the attacker to get on the end of it
Perisic is a VERY good player. I've been saying it forever and I will keep saying it. Get him and Matic and watch us fight for the EPL next season.
Does this mean:
"I want to keep Perisic but the player wants to leave and the club wants to sell him, so I really can't help it"?
This transfer window is crazy where we are being held back for so long with players like Perisic, Matic and Dier! I am all for support the manager with the player he wants but these are not top tier rare talents that we must have.
I think we reach a point now to move on and get the player in before the season start for team building and ready 100% for new season.
We must go all out from day one to be serious title contender and go far in the CL. The last thing we need is this boring transfer saga of average players affecting our team/season.
I think we reach a point now to move on and get the player in before the season start for team building and ready 100% for new season.
We must go all out from day one to be serious title contender and go far in the CL. The last thing we need is this boring transfer saga of average players affecting our team/season.
Can we please stop with this nonsense that Perisic is average. He might be underwhelming if you were expecting us to sign fecking Neymar, but he's a very good winger who will offer us things we don't currently have in the team.
Off topic, but @SATA, you are from Singapore?
Long time since United came to our shores - I remember watching Barthez goofing around on the left wing at the old National Stadium.
Why is everyone suddenly talking about Bale in this thread? Has something happened?
EDIT: Never mind, found out
EDIT: Never mind, found out
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Isn't it normal for transfers to drag on until the end of the summer?
Last year was the exception when it comes to getting business done early.
Last year was the exception when it comes to getting business done early.
Perisic plays over 4 positions to the same level. He'd never be unnecessary
Also a DM and a Winger are currently top priority if we want any shot at competing with our direct rivals who are not Arsenal.
Neither is he world class though.
Fellaini offers us something we don't have in the team too.Thats a poor argument that doesn't really say much.
Perisic at no point in his career has shown that he is the kind of player to take teams from perennial also rans like us to title winners.
The only way we are winning titles us if are our truly world class players like Pogba really step it up.
Fellaini comes in handy in certain tactical match-ups.
No-one is claiming Perisic is world class, 50 million in this market doesn't get you world class anymore, it gets you a good player, which is what Perisic is. Also the arguement that he's never looked a player to win title's isn't of much important to me. Bailly hasn't looked it either, neither did Mkhitryan before he joined, neither did Martial etc. the list goes on.
Playing under a different manager who knows what we might see and besides, if we're going to challenge for the title we need players who fit into the system we're going to employ.
Fellaini comes in handy in certain tactical match-ups.
No-one is claiming Perisic is world class, 50 million in this market doesn't get you world class anymore, it gets you a good player, which is what Perisic is. Also the arguement that he's never looked a player to win title's isn't of much important to me. Bailly hasn't looked it either, neither did Mkhitryan before he joined, neither did Martial etc. the list goes on.
Playing under a different manager who knows what we might see and besides, if we're going to challenge for the title we need players who fit into the system we're going to employ.
United certainly dont agree with that, seeing as they are refusing to be ripped of that ridiculous price.
Micky was one of the top 3 players in a superior league, and we got him for 26 mil.
Bailly and Martial are young players. You certainly wouldnt expect anything different.
But Perisic isnt. In fact, this isnt first chance at a big club. He has hardly pulled trees there either. His has been a career that has shown that he can come to United and fail. For the massive fees touted, that would be a disaster.
Just because a player has something different(Like Fellaini), it certainly doesnt necessarily make them better.
The market has changed from last season, that much is obvious. We've got 18 year old kids with half a season of senior experience being touted around for 140+, I don't think we'd have been able to got Micky T for the same price in this window.
United are negotiating, which it is in their right to do, we don't know the details of what's going on. They could be holding out on the Perisic deal as they could be looking at other targets, or they simply might just be trying to lower the value (which all clubs bar the Arab funded clubs would do).
I don't doubt Mkhitryan's credentials before coming, but your claim was he didn't look like the player who could lead a team to a title, Mkhitryan didn't look that player either, especially with Bayern's continued dominance.
He absolutely could come to United and fail, just as any other player could, there's risk involved in every transfer. PSG could buy Neymar for 220+million, he could snap his leg in half and they'd look pretty fecked then. Also, I doubt 50 million would be considered a 'disaster', we're rich as feck, that's probably a minor dent in our transfer budget for the window, let alone a dent in our overall funds.
Lastly, no-one is claiming he's better. I simply said he's a good player and hardly average as the majority in here would make you believe. If what he has in his locker is what Jose thinks he needs to get a functioning team, then so be it. People are allowed to discuss as they please obviously, whether or not they want him etc. but claiming he's a bad or average player is just wrong.
Mkhi was in the last year of his contract though, while Perisic's is until 2020. Still, anything more than 35m is excessive.
Ah no worries mate. Everyone has work to do.
I still hope we can pick this discussion right where we left it.
it means i want to keep him, the player would like to move and the club has decided to slap a €50/55M price tag on him and will sell him if somebody offers that
"For 40 mil pounds there are at least 20-30 players that are better and would fit that bill"
We had these statements last year, and yet it is clear that this patently is not true. I would love to see this list of players you can buy for 40m that are better. Mahrez is going for 50m, ffs, Dembele is going to be in the region of 80m. So please enlighten us in this market which players are hugely better for 40m? Plus those two that people bang on about are not even proper wingers that Jose wants, he is clearly looking for a dribbly, crossing style winger not the more flashy goal scoring, cutting in winger.
We had these statements last year, and yet it is clear that this patently is not true. I would love to see this list of players you can buy for 40m that are better. Mahrez is going for 50m, ffs, Dembele is going to be in the region of 80m. So please enlighten us in this market which players are hugely better for 40m? Plus those two that people bang on about are not even proper wingers that Jose wants, he is clearly looking for a dribbly, crossing style winger not the more flashy goal scoring, cutting in winger.
No, you spent €42M for Micky. Who had all of one great season in his career, was on the last year of his contract and wanted united no matter what
Inter are asking €50/55M for perisic. If tomorrow the exchange rate became 1 pound=€50/55M, perisic would cost you 1 pound
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