FFS I already convinced my 7 y/o he's great
Ivan Perisic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Or, how about a quality attacking LB like Real, Monaco, Juventus, etc.? Most teams live without an old fashioned left winger. It's generally considered to be superfluous nowadays.
Mourinho has spoken a number of times in pre season about training in a back 3 and having that formation as a possible option for us this season. He has no issues playing Lukaku/Rashford together and if Ibra is coming back then that system would allow him to play Ibra/Lukaku up top as well. In that context the Perisic signing makes perfect sense as he's got all the attributes for a LWB. Stays wide and hugs the touchline rather than move centrally like most other wide forwards and has a fantastic delivery + very solid defensively.
I can definitely understand why Mourinho would want him but that will never make me wanna see him play for us.
What about signing a new winger. How would you feel if we don't sign any?
Monaco have a proper winger in Lemar, Juventus play with fecking Mandzukic out wide, hardly players similar to Martial.
If Perisic is the best winger we can sign we should just work with what we have.
Yeah instead of buying a player who offers something different lets try with the same one more time.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
It's sad people don't see the qualities Perisic could bring to United.
He is not an improvement on Martial, Mkhi or Mata even if he provides something different. And is not unreasonable to expect Martial and/or Mkhi to make big jumps this season. In 15/16 they both had much better season's than Perisic ever had.
Einstein never said that.
So we're going to assume he'll decide to get his head into football again then? Completely moronic to me. Sure he has talent and may turn out to be fantastic, but that's a big if and right now it's more likely (to me) that he'll remain completely inconsistent which we cannot afford. And you think coaching will be enough? After all the drama he's been through in his private life?
I'd rather sign Perisic than no-one. It's pretty clear he offers something we don't have, even if you disagree on his quality.
Okay...does it discredit that phrase or quote as it pertains to United's need for something different and sticking with what they have from last year isn't going to change unless Martial drastically changes his approach as a left-sided player.
If anything if we get a good season out of Shaw our width issue magically disappears. Big if but, I have a lot more belief in him than most here. With him going forward Martial would be free to cut inside.
The under rating of Perisic is hilarious 
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He'd be one of the best wingers in the league. We needed to solve that wing problem. Oh well.
In his last 28 national appearances he has 15 goals. Was also Croatia's top scorer in 2016 EURO qualifying. Played well in the finals. WhoScored gave him a 7.84 rating, the same as Griezmann.
2014 World Cup he was ranked as the second-best performing player of the group stage by FIFA. So that's TWO International tournaments he has performed at.
16 goals, 16 assists in 57 games at national level. He started to kick on 2014 onwards. The 26 games prior he had only 1 goal.
11 goals and 8 assists in an unstable club/team last year. Salah had 15 goals and 11 assists in a much more stable team who played better football which suited him.
.He'd be one of the best wingers in the league. We needed to solve that wing problem. Oh well.
In his last 28 national appearances he has 15 goals. Was also Croatia's top scorer in 2016 EURO qualifying. Played well in the finals. WhoScored gave him a 7.84 rating, the same as Griezmann.
2014 World Cup he was ranked as the second-best performing player of the group stage by FIFA. So that's TWO International tournaments he has performed at.
16 goals, 16 assists in 57 games at national level. He started to kick on 2014 onwards. The 26 games prior he had only 1 goal.
11 goals and 8 assists in an unstable club/team last year. Salah had 15 goals and 11 assists in a much more stable team who played better football which suited him.
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The overrating of Perisic is even more hilarious. An experienced player who most fans had barely heard of until a few months ago, hardly lit up a relatively poorer league while coming 7th with his team, is going to be one of the best wingers in the premier league just like that.The under rating of Perisic is hilarious
He'd be one of the best wingers in the league. We needed to solve that wing problem. Oh well.
Good one.
Martial already cuts inside, he has no consistent form of delivery that suits Lukaku, which is why Jose wants Perisic. Have you ever seen Martial actually make a dangerous cross using his left foot? It's as rare as Phil Jones is fit for more than half a season! And Perisic can play on the right side as well allowing someone else on the left.
We can pass it to Lukaku's feet you know? We do not have to rely on crosses to get the best out of him. And an in form Martial on the left would give us goals from the wing which we really missed last season.
I'm so but you can't be taking stats from the qualifying stages for the Euros and group stages that serious. Is scoring against minnows like Azerbaijan and Malta now a big thing? Aaron Ramsey was one of the better players at the Euros but that doesn't mean anything.The under rating of Perisic is hilarious
He'd be one of the best wingers in the league. We needed to solve that wing problem. Oh well.
In his last 28 national appearances he has 15 goals. Was also Croatia's top scorer in 2016 EURO qualifying. Played well in the finals. WhoScored gave him a 7.84 rating, the same as Griezmann.
2014 World Cup he was ranked as the second-best performing player of the group stage by FIFA. So that's TWO International tournaments he has performed at.
16 goals, 16 assists in 57 games at national level. He started to kick on 2014 onwards. The 26 games prior he had only 1 goal.
11 goals and 8 assists in an unstable club/team last year. Salah had 15 goals and 11 assists in a much more stable team who played better football which suited him.
We are Manchester United and should be interested in players that perform on the big stage not the qualifying stages of the Euros. Danny Welbeck also performed well in qualifiers too
Fellaini, Mata, Shaw, Herrera, Blind, Di Maria, Rojo, Falcao, Memphis, Darmian, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Romero, Martial, Bailly, Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba
Every signing bought to solve a problem yet the vast majority of them simply created another issue that we needed to address. The end result being:
7th, 4th, 5th, 6th
Its almost hilarious seeing inter trying to push united to spend big money on perisic. They certainly arent looking forward to start the season with a player who clearly wants out
So what's your point, we shouldn't sign players anymore? Some of those signings worked out, some didn't, and some we don't know yet. A mixed record is expected when it comes to transfers.
I believe he is hinting that we should get high quality players and not players just to give an option
Most of those players were signed with an intention to go into the starting XI (except Romero), some of them just didn't end up that way. When several of those mentioned were linked to United, the Caf regarded them as high quality players that would immediately improve us. It's only in hindsight that opinions on the failures has been revised.
In any case, the churn of many players going out and many replacements coming in seems to have ended with LVG, so we're no longer buying just for the sake of buying.
I think Perisic would be buying for the sake of buying
Possibly. The problem is that our attack definitely needs upgrading, and the players that would be a clear improvement are not available. So if we don't buy we're hoping that either Pereira can make a difference or our wingers play much better this year than last. Each option carries its own risks.
I'm not a big fan of Perisic, but I'm not confident in our current lineup either. The Atletico transfer ban truly mucked this slot up for us.
I would much rather bet on Martial and Mkhi. Not ideal but, them at their best is much better than Perisic at his best. It would be great if we can sign a winger who could take our attack to another level I really do not think Perisic is even close to it.
So is Perisic. Who has shown that throughout his career.
It's just that he is a shiny new toy so people are willing to ignore that.
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One of the best wingers in the league my foot.
Wasn't the best wingers in the league in the Bundesliga.
Hardly one of the best in Seria A either.
Some of us have actually watched this guy play before all the links with us began.
Obviously I'll feel really frustrated that we'd focus so much on one target like that, specially that wasn't worth all that hassle IMHO. We're not talking about a world class player so not having other alternatives to Perisic would be borderline incompetent.
The thing is Perisic the past few years has shown he finally matured. He was used to be not putting enough work rate, and now his work rate is an asset. That's shown a will to learn & make change.
I don't agree with the poster you quoted. I still have hope Martial can improve. Just right now as a team we need to strengthen & can't just wait. Martial will move along at his own pace, but we can't just stand still as a club. Perisic looks like a good enough signing as a right price but there would be a point we should move on, which seems like the case with recent comment from Inter coach.
Incompetent doesn't even begin to describe this monumental feck up imo. That he was our sole target in itself is testament to Mourinho's limited ambition style wise which betrays an intention to degenerate into an agricultural style of football.
Given how its turned out I think we should focus on what we have and keep Griezmann in play for next season rather than waste £50m on a player we'd need to replace in the short run with zero resale value.
Martial and Rashford if given an actual chance can individually outscore and create more than Perisic. An actual chance entails both being given a sustained run and not playing a wingback-like role. Even if our wing options are attacking midfielders and strikers they have both performed on levels above Perisic at his best so for the figures being touted he is not worth the hastle but if it was a £30m punt I wouldn't be against such a move.
This fixation on Perisic is a bit worrying re-Mourinho's philosophical flexibility. Ironically those are the same figures being touted for Thomas Lemar so why don't we go for him and build up Mitchel to be this defensive winger he wants us to part with a king's ransom for?
Will play against Conte's chelsea today, lets see how he does. I hope spaletti keeps his word though.
I agree with most of what you say.
I really think Martial's struggles has a lot to do with him and it's his prerogative to turn it around.
I am just not entirely convinced with Perisic. Efficient maybe, but I fear that wingers like him once figured out don't have that extra bit of quality to make a difference. Add the price tag and it's just ridiculous.
If he does come here, I will support him. But I'm not overly enthused by his arrival.
It'd truly be worrying.
Finally matured is still very much in question. Only a few months ago his commitment was questioned by fans when he seemed not to be bothered because a rumoured transfer or something along those lines. I've seen every card used in his defense from him being a great player to one that has a great mentality which isn't the case. The guy seems to have it in him to act out every now and then. Many may not like Klopp, but his demands on the pitch are probably as high as José, Perisic could not handle that in the BuLi. His time in Serie A, where there is little pressure is hardly the sign of a fully matured player. The PL is a different level altogether
There are other ways to skin the cat. I doubt we're after Perisic in a big way because he's so much better than the other options, it comes across as a case of him being different in the sense that he'll give us natural width on the left. If this is the case, why not do what most top teams do and use our bloody left back to do this? Why play Darmian there who can't tell his arse from his face in the opposition half? Either trust Shaw to do the business on the left or get a top left back there. Our problem on the left has consistently been the lack of support for our left winger who's always up 1 v 2 because Darmian's busy chatting up our LCB when we're attacking.
Tbh the regression in our style of play in the second half was disgusting, lets hope it was not a sign of things to come.
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