Ivan Perisic

[Suedesi]

Yes and i don't dispute most of that, but i was makng the point that mourinho still seemed to get exactly who he had wanted previously, then after moaning, he suddenly got them and won the treble. Mourinho simply isn't like other managers, they don't have his huge public profile, his personality, or his record. The general way of things in milan does not explain how it all just came together at that point, without a change in Inter's usual policy and then some serious input from Mourinho. It was the directors somewhat relenting to Mourinho's wishes in this manner that i was recalling. Jose got what he moaned for and Inter won the treble.

Yes but they spent huge mostly during mourinho's time, and it was the only time they won a treble, or even got anywhere near a CL final. Mourinho's strategy has always been the same, at every post Porto club he has been at. Targeting whatever he thinks he needs to win, and he isn't interested in how much is spent, as long as he gets what he needs to get the job done.

Whatever Inter's usual procedures, it seems far more likely that jose had more input than other managers, it just doesn't make sense otherwise. An unhappy Jose, -who isn't getting things his way- is simply not someone who will bond a team together and inspire a treble run for owners who don't back him. That Jose is the petulant spoilt child that causes division and disruption throughout the club and then gets sacked when he goes too far.

The Jose that took Inter to the Treble was the passionate, determined, driven and tactically inspirational Jose, that knows he has exactly what he needs to win and he gets on with achieving it by any means necessary.

There's a tendency in England to glorify managers beyond any other country, and Mourinho is a master of taking all the credit when things go well, and blaming imaginary enemies when they don't.

Inter in 2009-11 weren't exactly Stoke, they had great pedigree and personnel. Coming off 3 consecutive scudettos and with Juve and Milan decimated from the Calciopoli scandal (and Inter picking off Zlatan & Vieira off Juve, while other stars left) winning domestically wasn't the problem. They had grown progressively in Europe (We knocked them out in 09 at QF stage) but couldn't make that next step. In that aspect Mourinho helped, and helped a lot. Agreed.

However this narrative that he asked for players and he built the perfect team is off. He didn't - the backbone of the team was there - I'm talking Julio Cesar, Materazzi, Zanetti, Samuel, Chivu, Cambiasso, Zlatan (swapped for Eto'o and cash in his second year - not because of Jose, but because Zlatan decided to try Catalonia and Eto'o didn't want to sit on the bench). As I mentioned Milito and Thiago were booked deals in advance with Genoa (Inter has a great relationship with Genoa, they will get Matia Perin next who they've monitoring for 2 yrs). Mourinho buys were Sneijder, Lucio and Quaresma. He got the team to perform for 1 season in the CL and then the wheels fell off.

Mourinho is no Ferguson. He's never built a team organically, or investing in youth and nurturing the talent that way. He needs 28-29-30-31 year olds to win and win now, so he can feck off to the next club. Works great for Mourinho, not so great for the club. That's why I hate this fixation with Perisic and Matic, old farts who will play for 1 or 2 seasons and then be sent to the glue factory.

 

[GM K]

What? How do you know that?

Inter is my club in Italy. I have been an Inter Milan fan for many years. It's like a real United fan not knowing which player a United manager went all out to get.

It was well known that those were Jose's signings especially Milito, Thiago and Lucio. Wesley's signing was more circumstantial because Madrid simply pushed him out but if Jose had not wanted him, he would not have ended up at Inter. Etoo's signing was also circumstantial and due to Marco Matterrazzi's influence but Jose still deserves some credit for the move. Zlatan insisted on leaving and it so happened that Etoo was having a rough ride at Barcelona. Barca offered him in exchange plus some money to get Zlatan. Nevetherless, Jose was still a factor for Etoo in deciding to move to Inter then. Inter could afford to pay him, Marco whom he 'adored' was there and they had the trophy winning Portuguese as manager. He was obviously very tempted and once he knew Jose and the club really wanted him, he moved.

The Inter-Genoa huge (and somewhat controversial) player exchange deals that led to Milito and Motta joining Inter was well documented. Jose badly wanted those two players. He was even criticized especially for Thiago and a 29/30 year old Milito considering what Inter was giving up. Three academy players including Francesco Bolzoni and Leonardo Bonnucci were sold to Genoa in that deal (this is one of the main experiences that made the 'Jose is not for youth' notion stick). Even Hernan Crespo and Acquafresca ended up at Genoa in that crazy deal. It was all so that Jose could get Milito and Thiago. He got his men and the rest is history.

Jose has many flaws and even though he has made some bad transfer deals, getting the right players to fit into his idea of a winning team is something he excels at. I never bet against him buying the right players.

 

[Marcus]

Inter is my club in Italy. I have been an Inter Milan fan for many years. It's like a real United fan not knowing which player a United manager went all out to get.

It was well known that those were Jose's signings especially Milito, Thiago and Lucio. Wesley's signing was more circumstantial because Madrid simply pushed him out but if Jose had not wanted him, he would not have ended up at Inter. Etoo's signing was also circumstantial and due to Marco Matterrazzi's influence but Jose still deserves some credit for the move. Zlatan insisted on leaving and it so happened that Etoo was having a rough ride at Barcelona. Barca offered him in exchange plus some money to get Zlatan. Nevetherless, Jose was still a factor for Etoo in deciding to move to Inter then. Inter could afford to pay him, Marco whom he 'adored' was there and they had the trophy winning Portuguese as manager. He was obviously very tempted and once he knew Jose and the club really wanted him, he moved.

The Inter-Genoa huge (and somewhat controversial) player exchange deals that led to Milito and Motta joining Inter was well documented. Jose badly wanted those two players. He was even criticized especially for Thiago and a 29/30 year old Milito considering what Inter was giving up. Three academy players including Francesco Bolzoni and Leonardo Bonnucci were sold to Genoa in that deal (this is one of the main experiences that made the 'Jose is not for youth' notion stick). Even Hernan Crespo and Acquafresca ended up at Genoa in that crazy deal. It was all so that Jose could get Milito and Thiago. He got his men and the rest is history.

Jose has many flaws and even though he has made some bad transfer deals, getting the right players to fit into his idea of a winning team is something he excels at. I never bet against him buying the right players.

Exactly. This guy totally lives and breathes football. I am amazed he can rattle off the names of all our players as well as those of other clubs without hesitation. Also, his recollection of games played and what happened then and who played well and who did not is phenomenal.

 

[Jaybomb]

Mourinho wants an old fashioned winger.

Why does everyone keep suggesting Douglas Costa and all these inside forward types? Martial isn't what he wants on the left. It's as simple as that.

Find me a winger in the mold of Perisic and then maybe we can talk about Plan B's. There's very few "United quality" wingers out there that can do what he'll be brought in for.

Just pay the 50M in my opinion.

 

[Rajma]

Mourinho wants an old fashioned winger.

Why does everyone keep suggesting Douglas Costa and all these inside forward types? Martial isn't what he wants on the left. It's as simple as that.

Find me a winger in the mold of Perisic and then maybe we can talk about Plan B's. There's very few "United quality" wingers out there that can do what he'll be brought in for.

Just pay the 50M in my opinion.

Thing is 50M seem to not suffice, they asked Martial on loan too.

 

[GM K]

There's a tendency in England to glorify managers beyond any other country, and Mourinho is a master of taking all the credit when things go well, and blaming imaginary enemies when they don't.

Inter in 2009-11 weren't exactly Stoke, they had great pedigree and personnel. Coming off 3 consecutive scudettos and with Juve and Milan decimated from the Calciopoli scandal (and Inter picking off Zlatan & Vieira off Juve, while other stars left) winning domestically wasn't the problem. They had grown progressively in Europe (We knocked them out in 09 at QF stage) but couldn't make that next step. In that aspect Mourinho helped, and helped a lot. Agreed.

However this narrative that he asked for players and he built the perfect team is off. He didn't - the backbone of the team was there - I'm talking Julio Cesar, Materazzi, Zanetti, Samuel, Chivu, Cambiasso, Zlatan (swapped for Eto'o and cash in his second year - not because of Jose, but because Zlatan decided to try Catalonia and Eto'o didn't want to sit on the bench). As I mentioned Milito and Thiago were booked deals in advance with Genoa (Inter has a great relationship with Genoa, they will get Matia Perin next who they've monitoring for 2 yrs). Mourinho buys were Sneijder, Lucio and Quaresma. He got the team to perform for 1 season in the CL and then the wheels fell off.

Mourinho is no Ferguson. He's never built a team organically, or investing in youth and nurturing the talent that way. He needs 28-29-30-31 year olds to win and win now, so he can feck off to the next club. Works great for Mourinho, not so great for the club. That's why I hate this fixation with Perisic and Matic, old farts who will play for 1 or 2 seasons and then be sent to the glue factory.

You are right about the core of the inter team being there before Jose joined them and the main rivals being weakened by the calciopoli scandal. But you cannot take any credits away from Jose nevertheless. His treble winning season proved beyond every reasonable doubt that he was a big difference maker. In fact, if he had not had that season, I believe your post would have been the globally accepted reality about Jose's career.

The truth is that Inter Milan fans will always appreciate how Jose brought in a new spine for the team that led to the charge in Europe. Etoo, Wesley, Thiago, Milito, Muntari and Lucio were all his players despite your attempt at taking those credits away from him. You only need to analyse those players to know how perfectly they fit into his idea of a team. He wanted all of them, got them and integrated them into a team that admittedly, already had some fine world class talents. Your argument that Inter had already been tracking Thiago and Milito (or whoever else) holds no water with all due respect. Massimo Morratti gave Jose full control at Inter. No one could impose any player in the team if Jose didn't want the player. The fact is that Jose wanted Milito and Thiago and he sanctioned the transfer of three academy players to get them. It is why some people till now, insist that he is anti-youth in football.

I do agree with you that Jose is no Fergie. No one is. Fergie was and is still the greatest manager of all time in my book.

 

[K2K]

Inter is my club in Italy. I have been an Inter Milan fan for many years. It's like a real United fan not knowing which player a United manager went all out to get.

It was well known that those were Jose's signings especially Milito, Thiago and Lucio. Wesley's signing was more circumstantial because Madrid simply pushed him out but if Jose had not wanted him, he would not have ended up at Inter. Etoo's signing was also circumstantial and due to Marco Matterrazzi's influence but Jose still deserves some credit for the move. Zlatan insisted on leaving and it so happened that Etoo was having a rough ride at Barcelona. Barca offered him in exchange plus some money to get Zlatan. Nevetherless, Jose was still a factor for Etoo in deciding to move to Inter then. Inter could afford to pay him, Marco whom he 'adored' was there and they had the trophy winning Portuguese as manager. He was obviously very tempted and once he knew Jose and the club really wanted him, he moved.

The Inter-Genoa huge (and somewhat controversial) player exchange deals that led to Milito and Motta joining Inter was well documented. Jose badly wanted those two players. He was even criticized especially for Thiago and a 29/30 year old Milito considering what Inter was giving up. Three academy players including Francesco Bolzoni and Leonardo Bonnucci were sold to Genoa in that deal (this is one of the main experiences that made the 'Jose is not for youth' notion stick). Even Hernan Crespo and Acquafresca ended up at Genoa in that crazy deal. It was all so that Jose could get Milito and Thiago. He got his men and the rest is history.

Jose has many flaws and even though he has made some bad transfer deals, getting the right players to fit into his idea of a winning team is something he excels at. I never bet against him buying the right players.

Not on the Perisic train one bit, but this a good, knowledgeable post.

 

[GM K]

Exactly. This guy totally lives and breathes football. I am amazed he can rattle off the names of all our players as well as those of other clubs without hesitation. Also, his recollection of games played and what happened then and who played well and who did not is phenomenal.

Thanks mate. Not sure I'm that knowledgeable but I do love the game and I've been a massive fan since I was about six when my dad first cajoled me to watch a game. In my forties at the moment so about 4 decades in the bag.

 

[Suedesi]

You are right about the core of the inter team being there before Jose joined them and the main rivals being weakened by the calciopoli scandal. But you cannot take any credits away from Jose nevertheless. His treble winning season proved beyond every reasonable doubt that he was a big difference maker. In fact, if he had not had that season, I believe your post would have been the globally accepted reality about Jose's career.

The truth is that Inter Milan fans will always appreciate how Jose brought in a new spine for the team that led to the charge in Europe. Etoo, Wesley, Thiago, Milito, Muntari and Lucio were all his players despite your attempt at taking those credits away from him. You only need to analyse those players to know how perfectly they fit into his idea of a team. He wanted all of them, got them and integrated them into a team that admittedly, already had some fine world class talents. Your argument that Inter had already been tracking Thiago and Milito (or whoever else) holds no water with all due respect. Massimo Morratti gave Jose full control at Inter. No one could impose any player in the team if Jose didn't want the player. The fact is that Jose wanted Milito and Thiago and he sanctioned the transfer of three academy players to get them. It is why some people till now, insist that he is anti-youth in football.

I do agree with you that Jose is no Fergie. No one is. Fergie was and is still the greatest manager of all time in my book.

I think you've gotten a little misty eyed over Mourinho and the treble. I specifically remember Milito done in early 2009 between Moratti and Preziosi, whilst Mourinho was courting Quagliarella. Got lucky with Eto'o also, who turned out to be better than Zlatan in the forward role, and was selfless in defending.

Anyhoo we'll agree to disagree. Let's hope United fares better after Mourinho than Inter did.

 

[giorno]

Mourinho buys were Sneijder, Lucio and Quaresma.

Technically, only Quaresma. The other two were more like "i need a AM/CB" and inter bought him Sneijder and Lucio. Quaresma is the one guy he explicitly asked inter to buy him

 

[PedroMendez]

Mourinho wants an old fashioned winger.

Why does everyone keep suggesting Douglas Costa and all these inside forward types? Martial isn't what he wants on the left. It's as simple as that.

Find me a winger in the mold of Perisic and then maybe we can talk about Plan B's. There's very few "United quality" wingers out there that can do what he'll be brought in for.

Just pay the 50M in my opinion.

costa is not an inside forward.

 

[giorno]

Massimo Morratti gave Jose full control at Inter.

No he didn't, not on the transfer market. He gave him a lot more power than is usual for italian managers, but mourinho wasn't in charge. It wasn't Mourinho wants player X, tells club to sign player X, club signs player X no questions asked. Nearly all signings were agreed between Mourinho, Oriali(DF) and Moratti(who had to pay for them)

The one exception was Quaresma, whom Oriali and Moratti didn't want but Mourinho wanted no matter what, and Moratti caved. That was the first year, and quaresma was a massive bust. Milito and Thiago Motta were players Mourinho didn't specifically ask for, but rather gave the ok to, same as Lucio(Mou actually asked for Van Buyten. Bayern told Oriali they would sell Lucio instead, so Oriali signed Lucio). Mou did have a big role in the Zlatan deal, as he and Oriali was vital to convince Moratti that they were getting a ridiculous return for Zlatan and he should just sell. As for Sneijder, Mou and Moratti nearly had a fight over the AM, with Mou asking for an AM all summer long and Moratti telling him "we don't need one" all summer long. They eventually got Sneijder because Perez forced him out and sold him at a incredibly low price, so Moratti finally accepted Mou's request

 

[devilish]

A lot is being said that, making it impossible to comment on every post. So here is my take.

A- Mou complained about Martial’s consistency not his style of play. Against Real, Martial was allowed to play the entire 90 minutes because he showed consistency. I think that puts the ‘Mou wants a left footed version of Valencia’ to bed.
B- The Perisic issue is purely political. AC Milan had signed so many quality players this year which put Inter (ie the Milan’s answer of Everton and Shitty) into bad light. Its becoming evident that Inter’s owners are not interesting in throwing more cash into the club to match AC Milan. That means that Inter wants to take as much £££ and players from us so they are able to appease Inter’s fans

Perisic is a decent player. However, at this point, it’s not worth the bother signing him. If Mou wants to shrug off the tag of being a project based manager then he has to learn to adapt his plans. SAF did it all the time. Juventus and AC Milan had shown that its possible to sign top quality players on decent fees. Its time for Mou to move on.

 

[CG1010]

A lot is being said that, making it impossible to comment on every post. So here is my take.

A- Mou complained about Martial’s consistency not his style of play. Against Real, Martial was allowed to play the entire 90 minutes because he showed consistency. I think that puts the ‘Mou wants a left footed version of Valencia’ to bed.
B- The Perisic issue is purely political. AC Milan had signed so many quality players this year which put Inter (ie the Milan’s answer of Everton and Shitty) into bad light. Its becoming evident that Inter’s owners are not interesting in throwing more cash into the club to match AC Milan. That means that Inter wants to take as much £££ and players from us so they are able to appease Inter’s fans

Perisic is a decent player. However, at this point, it’s not worth the bother signing him. If Mou wants to shrug off the tag of being a project based manager then he has to learn to adapt his plans. SAF did it all the time. Juventus and AC Milan had shown that its possible to sign top quality players on decent fees. Its time for Mou to move on.

I believe that Mourinho wants Perisic as a squad player alternative to Martial (in style and experience) and not as a direct replacement. He probably thinks Perisic would be useful in certain games where the team needs more width or that we need insurance policy for Martial stinking up for another season through a consistent experienced pro.

 

[devilish]

No he didn't, not on the transfer market. He gave him a lot more power than is usual for italian managers, but mourinho wasn't in charge. It wasn't Mourinho wants player X, tells club to sign player X, club signs player X no questions asked. Nearly all signings were agreed between Mourinho, Oriali(DF) and Moratti(who had to pay for them)

The one exception was Quaresma, whom Oriali and Moratti didn't want but Mourinho wanted no matter what, and Moratti caved. That was the first year, and quaresma was a massive bust. Milito and Thiago Motta were players Mourinho didn't specifically ask for, but rather gave the ok to, same as Lucio(Mou actually asked for Van Buyten. Bayern told Oriali they would sell Lucio instead, so Oriali signed Lucio). Mou did have a big role in the Zlatan deal, as he and Oriali was vital to convince Moratti that they were getting a ridiculous return for Zlatan and he should just sell. As for Sneijder, Mou and Moratti nearly had a fight over the AM, with Mou asking for an AM all summer long and Moratti telling him "we don't need one" all summer long. They eventually got Sneijder because Perez forced him out and sold him at a incredibly low price, so Moratti finally accepted Mou's request

Hmm...

During Moratti's administration, Inter biggest problem was Marco Branca. The guy is Inter's version of Philip Neville (Same talent as a player and same football IQ) but Moratti had a crush on him and allowed him to do whatever he wanted including controlling Inter's transfer strategy.

Now unless my memory is playing tricks on me, Mourinho's condition in signing for Inter was for Branca to back off. Ultimately the two became friends which facilitated the co-operation between the special one and Moratti's golden boy. However, Branca himself said that his strategy with Mourinho was to allow him to do whatever he wanted.

 

[Womp]

B- The Perisic issue is purely political. AC Milan had signed so many quality players this year which put Inter (ie the Milan’s answer of Everton and Shitty) into bad light. Its becoming evident that Inter’s owners are not interesting in throwing more cash into the club to match AC Milan. That means that Inter wants to take as much £££ and players from us so they are able to appease Inter’s fans

Interesting, never really thought of it like that.

 

[devilish]

I believe that Mourinho wants Perisic as a squad player alternative to Martial (in style and experience) and not as a direct replacement. He probably thinks Perisic would be useful in certain games where the team needs more width or that we need insurance policy for Martial stinking up for another season through a consistent experienced pro.

I think, he sees Perisic as Martial's mentor, someone who can give us some consistency and allow Martial to develop. Which makes it silly for us sending him to that talent crusher hellhole even on loan.

 

[devilish]

Interesting, never really thought of it like that.

There's a power vacuum at Inter at the moment. Thorir (who was once the owner but is still calling the shots) is a dead man walking. Everyone hates him including the former administration (who feels betrayed by him), the new owners, the fans and even the sarcastic media (autogol portrays him as someone who brings bad luck). Their owner makes Woodward look like a mix of SAF, Busby, Shankly and Clough. FFS he can't even pronounce Inter right (he calls them India). He also cant be bothered moving to Milan as most of his business is in China. The owner son lives in Milan (or is a regular) and is supposed to take care of the club's matter. Unfortunately he's as interested in Inda as Gary Neville is interested of Liverpool.

Inter is the pure muppet club. While United's history is built around our love to youths and being a working class club, Inter broke with AC Milan purely because they wanted to sign the shiny foreign talent and AC Milan's admin of the time refused to do so. That means that having the shiniest talent is as important to them as SAF's/Busby's obsession of raising youths. The power shift in Milan is hurting them. Its like watching all our class of 92 signing for City simply because SAF wants to play old players.

That is why Inter want money AND a big name from United (even on loan). Even with 50m in the bank there's no guarantee that these incompetent bunch can sign a big name and unless that happens, then Inter fans might riot (expecially if Perisic leave and is not adequately replaced)

In my opinion, the best course of action for Inter is to cook another frame up on Juventus/AC Milan and win the league by default again.

 

[prtk0811]

Inter Milan should either put him off the market or be realistic in their demands. These mixed signals are baffling.

 

[GM K]

I think you've gotten a little misty eyed over Mourinho and the treble. I specifically remember Milito done in early 2009 between Moratti and Preziosi, whilst Mourinho was courting Quagliarella. Got lucky with Eto'o also, who turned out to be better than Zlatan in the forward role, and was selfless in defending.

Anyhoo we'll agree to disagree. Let's hope United fares better after Mourinho than Inter did.

Oh, I do like Jose and I'm still teary eyed about the treble. It was one of the most incredible achievements in football.

You sound like you are not exactly impressed with Jose and that's perfectly alright. But let's not tweak historical facts here. Jose joined Inter in 2008. It was also that year that Milito returned to Genoa for his second spell. There was no way Moratti was going to seal any deal with Genoa for Milito without Jose's consent. Their relationship was very special and in many ways unlike Jose's relationship with Abrahimovic. Also, that 2008/2009 season was when Jose got first hand experience of Diego. He was wowed by the Argentine who matched Zlatan goal for goal for goal. Jose caught the Milito bug that season. Milito was signed in 2009 and started the 2009/2010 season under Jose after Inter bought him with money gotten from the Zlatan sale.

So this whole idea that Jose has nothing to do with the purchase of Milito is really strange. Even when a club has been after a player before a new manager arrived, are you saying that in a normal club where the owner and the new manager are in sync, the club would stubbornly go and sign that player even if the manager does not want him? Jose just had a nasty experience at Chelsea where such happened, he had a clear understanding with Moratti that he would need control (as far as player purchase was concerned especially) at Inter to be able to deliver the Champions League. That was exactly what Moratti gave him. You may not be a fan of Jose but don't try and take those credits away from him. He signed Milito, Thiago, Etoo, Muntari, Sneijder, Quaresma, Lucio, Mariga, Pandev etc. A few of them flopped but most of them were successful.

Yes, I guess we can agree to disagree my friend.

 

[giorno]

Hmm...

During Moratti's administration, Inter biggest problem was Marco Branca. The guy is Inter's version of Philip Neville (Same talent as a player and same football IQ) but Moratti had a crush on him and allowed him to do whatever he wanted including controlling Inter's transfer strategy.

The less i speak about Branca the better. Things were really bad and i don't think i should explain, it's kind of an open secret in Milan, but it was an ugly situation. But Branca was truly in charge after Oriali left, which was after Mourinho left, and due to Branca

Now unless my memory is playing tricks on me, Mourinho's condition in signing for Inter was for Branca to back off. Ultimately the two became friends which facilitated the co-operation between the special one and Moratti's golden boy. However, Branca himself said that his strategy with Mourinho was to allow him to do whatever he wanted.

No, not exactly. Mourinho did ask for Branca to be marginalized, and Oriali was the guy in charge with him. Transfer targets and signings were done between Oriali, Mou and Moratti. Mou told Oriali what type of player and position he needed, Oriali would identify a target, then Mou had to ok it technically a Moratti financially

 

[Castia]

Inter Milan should either put him off the market or be realistic in their demands. These mixed signals are baffling.

I get the feeling they're pissed at us expecting them to sell easily because of FFP, I think we entered negotiations way too confident of just taking Perisic without a fight.

I could be completely wrong, that's just the impression I get.

 

[giorno]

Interesting, never really thought of it like that.

It's bs. Inter are playing hardball because they don't want to sell him in the first place. They set a price because the player wants to leave. It's up to united to pay it or not.

 

[devilish]

The less i speak about Branca the better. Things were really bad and i don't think i should explain, it's kind of an open secret in Milan, but it was an ugly situation. But Branca was truly in charge after Oriali left, which was after Mourinho left, and due to Branca


No, not exactly. Mourinho did ask for Branca to be marginalized, and Oriali was the guy in charge with him. Transfer targets and signings were done between Oriali, Mou and Moratti. Mou told Oriali what type of player and position he needed, Oriali would identify a target, then Mou had to ok it technically a Moratti financially

I don't think Mou left because of Branca tbh. Moratti's money was starting to run dry and all he was interested in was to win the CL. Hence why he brought Mourinho and why he was allowed to spend the money he spent on players with little resale value. Once that was achieved, Moratti's family started to push on their brother to cut the expenses and Inter performance nosedived. Kudos for Mou for reading the early signs and leave before he was caught out in that mess.

I remember quite vividly Mou having a big say on signings, which no Inter manager had before. That pissed off Mancini who was expected to perform the same way Mou did despite the former having far more restrictions. Regarding Moratti, at the time, he was like Christmas Father at least towards his favourites. He would spend shitloads of money, no questions asked and with no accountability whatsoever.

 

[devilish]

It's bs. Inter are playing hardball because they don't want to sell him in the first place. They set a price because the player wants to leave. It's up to united to pay it or not.

Read my second post (10:06). That explain that point far better.

In terms of Inter I wouldn't stress too much on the want thing. Their wants and needs shift more then a jelly on the titanic. Case in point is the Roberto Carlos case who was sold because Hodgson didn't want him only for Hodgson to be sacked a year later because of his performance (including mismanaging Roberto Carlos)

 

[giorno]

I don't think Mou left because of Branca tbh.

no, Oriali left because of Branca

I remember quite vividly Mou having a big say on signings, which no Inter manager had before. That pissed off Mancini who was expected to perform the same way Mou did despite the former having far more restrictions.

Yes to Mourinho, no to Mancini. He also had a big say on signings. He was just bitter that Mou did what he couldn't(and that inter hired Mou while Mancini still had to play the second leg against Liverpool)

In terms of Inter I wouldn't stress too much on the want thing. Their wants and needs shift more then a jelly on the titanic. Case in point is the Roberto Carlos case who was sold because Hodgson didn't want him only for Hodgson to be sacked a year later because of his performance (including mismanaging Roberto Carlos)

For whatever reason you're conflating Moratti with the new owners

 

[devilish]

no, Oriali left because of Branca


Yes to Mourinho, no to Mancini. He also had a big say on signings. He was just bitter that Mou did what he couldn't(and that inter hired Mou while Mancini still had to play the second leg against Liverpool)


For whatever reason you're conflating Moratti with the new owners

The new owners are as disorganized as the old ones (Read my post in 10:06)

 

[Hisha]

I usually don't post here because of my busy schedule. But when i saw your biased post(s), i had to find some time.

Sure let's do the math... He's spent a 1.6 billion dollars in transfers since joining Chelsea in 2004/2005.

Chelsea: 402,30 Mill. €
04/05: 163,40 Mill. €
05/06: 91,50 Mill. €
06/07: 88,40 Mill. €
07/08: 59,00 Mill. € (fired September 20th, 2007)

Inter: 154,80 Mill. €
08/09: 60,60 Mill. €
09/10: 94,20 Mill. €

Real Madrid: 181,50 Mill. €
10/11: 93,00 Mill. € (he was lucky Ronaldo and Kaka' were purchased earlier)
11/12: 55,00 Mill. €
12/13: 33,50 Mill. €

Chelsea: 358,55 Mill. €
13/14: 130,35 Mill. €
14/15: 137,70 Mill. €
15/16: 90,50 Mill. € (fired December 17, 2015)

United: 304,70 Mill. €
16/17: 185,00 Mill. €
17/18: 119,70 Mill. € (so far)

That's over 1.4 Bill. € // $1.6B in spending. That's more than half of Portugal's defense budget for NATO!!!

What a stupid and biased post!!! How stupid it is to compare Portugal's defense budget for a year to Jose's purchases in 14 years time? 14 years man!!! And why don't you mention the money Jose spend while he was at UDL or at Porto? You are clearly trying to put Jose in a bad light with your biased views. You don't like the man, fair enough. But just don't spread lies to make others also hate him.

How many managers you can point out who won as much as he did in the Jose era by spending less than what he spend? Do you want to look into Pep's spending? Success comes at a price man. How much money do you think the clubs will be ready to pay if they are offered a chance to 'buy' the Champions league or the League title for money? Why don't look into the quality of the players he bought? Why don't you look into the fact that the clubs made huge profits from most of the players Jose bought, either by winning multiple trophies or by selling them for higher price? Many of Jose's important signings went on to the pillars of the clubs and served them for many years even after Jose left. Jose's spending at Chelsea between 04 and 07 was the foundation for their continues success. And why don't you look into the net spend? Yea... i know, because it won't suit your agenda.

Show me one manager who spend considerably less and won (major trophies) half of what Jose did in the Jose era and then we can talk.

and the transfer fee he recouped?

It's well known he spent very little to win Inter THE TREBLE, is it wrong to trade for players better suited to your strategy?

Exactly. Should look into the net spend. It's obvious that different managers have different strategy and so needs different kind of players. He talks as if no other manager does this trading of players to get players better suited for their strategy.

Inter's a bit of anomaly, because the coach doesn't dictate what happens in market. By all means Milito, Eto'o, Sneijder, Thiago Motta, Lucio were Marco Branca purchases. It's the same model that has Walter Sabatini in charge at Inter now (rather than Spalleti) , or Mirabelli & Fassone at AC Milan (rather than Montella).

What we do know is that Mourinho pushed hard for a certain winger at Inter, by the name of Quaresma. He was a busted flush and Inter took a 20 million hit when they sold him 2 years later to Besiktas. Great job Jose.

So Inter aside, he's spent 1.5Billion USD. Don't know how much he's recouped, but I'll guess his net spent is close to a billion dollars.

Jose joined inter on 08/09 season. And all the players you mentioned above were bought in the 09/10 season, which was Jose's second with Inter. Your hatred to Jose aside, do you seriously believe that Jose let others decide who to buy? especially in his second season? Let me tell you, all of the players you mentioned above, each one of them, were Jose's choices. I would also suggest you to read again @GM K replies to you who is actually a Inter fan for years.

So, you are very eager to mention Jose's spending details, but is not willing to look into the net spend? You guess it's 1 billion? Seriously man, get over with your hatred and look without the tinted glasses.

Yep. Shaun Wright-Philips, Salomon Kalou, Florent Malouda, Ricardo Quaresma, Angel di Maria, Pedro Leon, Jose Callejon, Royston Drenthe, Willian, Andre Schurrle, Mohamed Salah, Juan Cuadrado, Pedro... not a great list.

Again shows your high degree of bias and hatred against Jose. From that list, Jose Callejon and Royston Drenthe was NOT Jose's signings. Callejon is Madrid's youth product. How exactly are you saying that he was a Jose signing? And Real signed Drenthe in 2007 and Jose only joined Real in 2010, how about that?

Your list is missing a lot of important signings by Jose. And even out of your list, only SWP, Quaresma, Leon, Salah and Cuadrado could be termed as failures.

I'm named all of them. Out of a list of 13 players, you've got one or two hits (ADM, Willian), the rest clearly were meh signings. You've got even good wingers (Pedro, Juan Cuadrado, Salah(?)) who raised their output playing for other managers.

Not to mention Arjen Robben being deemed surplus to requirements at Chelsea and being shipped off to Real Madrid.

Arjen Robben was sold by Chelsea mainly because of his injury problems. Ask any Chelsea supporter and they will tell you how frustrating it was for them with his injuries. Mind to check his injury records while he was at Chelsea?

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[apotheosis]

You are right about the core of the inter team being there before Jose joined them and the main rivals being weakened by the calciopoli scandal. But you cannot take any credits away from Jose nevertheless. His treble winning season proved beyond every reasonable doubt that he was a big difference maker. In fact, if he had not had that season, I believe your post would have been the globally accepted reality about Jose's career.

The truth is that Inter Milan fans will always appreciate how Jose brought in a new spine for the team that led to the charge in Europe. Etoo, Wesley, Thiago, Milito, Muntari and Lucio were all his players despite your attempt at taking those credits away from him. You only need to analyse those players to know how perfectly they fit into his idea of a team. He wanted all of them, got them and integrated them into a team that admittedly, already had some fine world class talents. Your argument that Inter had already been tracking Thiago and Milito (or whoever else) holds no water with all due respect. Massimo Morratti gave Jose full control at Inter. No one could impose any player in the team if Jose didn't want the player. The fact is that Jose wanted Milito and Thiago and he sanctioned the transfer of three academy players to get them. It is why some people till now, insist that he is anti-youth in football.

I do agree with you that Jose is no Fergie. No one is. Fergie was and is still the greatest manager of all time in my book.

Thank you. I lacked the specifics but that covers the general gist of what i was suggesting. Moratti relenting from his usual practice to give Jose what he wanted, and he delivered.

 

[RedMachine03]

Inter Milan head coach Luciano Spalletti wants to keep Manchester United target Ivan Perisic, but has suggested he will be sold for the right price.

Sky Sports News have reported that United and Inter are close to agreeing a fee for the Croatia winger, who the Serie A club value at £48m.

"Sure there are rumours but we want to keep Perisic," said Spalletti. "He's a very important player for the team. We are counting on him to start the new season.

"But if somebody comes in with a very difficult offer to reject then we will consider that, but of course we need to find a valid alternative for Perisic as well."

 

[GM K]

Thank you. I lacked the specifics but that covers the general gist of what i was suggesting. Moratti relenting from his usual practice to give Jose what he wanted, and he delivered.

Thank you. I lacked the specifics but that covers the general gist of what i was suggesting. Moratti relenting from his usual practice to give Jose what he wanted, and he delivered.

Thanks mate.

 

[Robertd0803]

Inter is my club in Italy. I have been an Inter Milan fan for many years. It's like a real United fan not knowing which player a United manager went all out to get.

It was well known that those were Jose's signings especially Milito, Thiago and Lucio. Wesley's signing was more circumstantial because Madrid simply pushed him out but if Jose had not wanted him, he would not have ended up at Inter. Etoo's signing was also circumstantial and due to Marco Matterrazzi's influence but Jose still deserves some credit for the move. Zlatan insisted on leaving and it so happened that Etoo was having a rough ride at Barcelona. Barca offered him in exchange plus some money to get Zlatan. Nevetherless, Jose was still a factor for Etoo in deciding to move to Inter then. Inter could afford to pay him, Marco whom he 'adored' was there and they had the trophy winning Portuguese as manager. He was obviously very tempted and once he knew Jose and the club really wanted him, he moved.

The Inter-Genoa huge (and somewhat controversial) player exchange deals that led to Milito and Motta joining Inter was well documented. Jose badly wanted those two players. He was even criticized especially for Thiago and a 29/30 year old Milito considering what Inter was giving up. Three academy players including Francesco Bolzoni and Leonardo Bonnucci were sold to Genoa in that deal (this is one of the main experiences that made the 'Jose is not for youth' notion stick). Even Hernan Crespo and Acquafresca ended up at Genoa in that crazy deal. It was all so that Jose could get Milito and Thiago. He got his men and the rest is history.

Jose has many flaws and even though he has made some bad transfer deals, getting the right players to fit into his idea of a winning team is something he excels at. I never bet against him buying the right players.

Thanks, really cool insight there.

 

[K2K]

Inter Milan head coach Luciano Spalletti wants to keep Manchester United target Ivan Perisic, but has suggested he will be sold for the right price.

Sky Sports News have reported that United and Inter are close to agreeing a fee for the Croatia winger, who the Serie A club value at £48m.

"Sure there are rumours but we want to keep Perisic," said Spalletti. "He's a very important player for the team. We are counting on him to start the new season.

"But if somebody comes in with a very difficult offer to reject then we will consider that, but of course we need to find a valid alternative for Perisic as well."

They want the money.

 

[GM K]

Thanks, really cool insight there.

Thanks mate

 

[red4ever 79]

F*ck me. 48m for this guy. Absolutely outrageous

 

[Mihai]

Technically, only Quaresma. The other two were more like "i need a AM/CB" and inter bought him Sneijder and Lucio. Quaresma is the one guy he explicitly asked inter to buy him

I remember there where constant reports back in Italy of Mourinho continuously calling/texting him to join Inter. Not sure about "inter bought him Sneijder" part.

 

[2 man midfield]

Interesting posts from @devilish

 

[arthurka]

Who can blame them for wanting to get paid for him.. The market is crazy and they will need crazy money to replace him..

 

[giorno]

I remember there where constant reports back in Italy of Mourinho continuously calling/texting him to join Inter. Not sure about "inter bought him Sneijder" part.

Yeah, should be more clear: Mou wanted an AM. Moratti wasn't convinced. Mou gave him a short list of options for the position, Moratti said no to everyone(more specifcally Moratti said the guys Mou was asking for were too expensive). Than Sneijder became available for a relatively cheap price and Moratti told Mou "sneijder". Mou said he wasn't convinced about sneijder. Moratti said "sneijder or no one". Mou was convinced about sneijder . Then the job became convincing the player to leave madrid

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

This is the one I'd genuinely walk away from if I was Woodward/Jose.

I think they expected a bit of a struggle with Matic, being a league rival/former club of Jose etc.

But I think Ed, Jose and the fans all thought Perisic would be a straight-forward deal:
- Pushing 30
- Not playing for a particularly wealthy/successful club (at present)
- Not considered a world-beater, nor a promising youngster

I think everyone expected 1-2 bids, deal done within 2 weeks for around £30million.