This. There is still a question about wether Jose can have team maintain sustained success over a long period of time. But there is no denying that he is a proven winner and the players he buys are usually spot on.
Ivan Perisic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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This. There is still a question about wether Jose can have team maintain sustained success over a long period of time. But there is no denying that he is a proven winner and the players he buys are usually spot on.
This is correct.
It's probably his biggest challenge in proving himself to be a manager at Fergie's level.
Definitely seeing these latest statements from Inter as "please United come back and buy him - we need the cash". Reckon we'll probably sit tight until the end of the window and see what they'll be prepared to take, as there are no other suitors at this point.
Inter are moving towards our direction. However, we shouldn't let things go to the deep end
No way he's worth 50M €. Inter can keep him.
That ball control 7 sec in.
That ball control 7 sec in.
Time for plan Bale...
He's a great player and would be a great addition, however. I believe this is one of the players Mourinho is referring to when stating that the market is "crazy" at the moment. For about £5 million more we could test Dormunds resolve for Ousmane Dembèle. We are right for not paying £45 for Perisic.
No way he's worth 50M €. Inter can keep him.
That ball control 7 sec in.
First of all pre season. Secondly, pitch quality. Surprised he is asserting himself that much on that kind of pitch with a potential transfer around the corner.
Just look into that clip that doesn't even include off ball movement, can clearly see he's more winger than any of our wide players.
For all the worth this fee or that fee, remember that Everton is willing to pay similar for Sidgursson. Of course, I prefer a cheaper price, but people need to get used to the market price.
With Juve going for Keita, this probably wont happen.
Inter will be left with a very unhappy player who they will struggle to get anywhere near the quoted fees for.
Inter will be left with a very unhappy player who they will struggle to get anywhere near the quoted fees for.
There's no denying he's a proven winner but so was LVG. So is Pep, so is Klopp, etc.
I still firmly believe that Madrid broke Mourinho and changed him fundamentally and his signings and approach to football in general haven't been the same since.
Doubt is he is coming at 50mill
Di Maria?
Klopp has done nothing to be even compared to the other two in terms of trophies. While Pep has been amazing at Barca and good at Bayern, I can never imagine Pep winning the Champions League with Porto or Inter. Jose has proven himself at the highest level in so many clubs.
But yeah, he doesn't seem to have that charm that the old Mourinho had. Most of the times he looks sad and depressed. I think it's a confidence issue, if he wins something big, the old Jose will hopefully be back.
But his transfers have always been and remain spot on. The players he buys during his second season always end up having a major impact. You only have to look at his second season with Chelsea mk2. He bought Matic in January and bought Costa and Fabregas, who were all instrumental for the title. Even last season, the 4 players he bought were very good. With Pogba, Baily and Mikhi, we are set for another few seasons in those positions.
The annoying thing is that Di Maria (with the right attitude) would be fecking immense under Jose in his system.
Agree completely with this. But Perisic and a weary Matic hardly fit those buys criteria!
I think he's a smokescreen for someone else, and we're working on another deal.
What a great cross for Eder's second goal against Bayern. Lovely ball
The specific qualities I often talk about, which we lack.
Yes but Jose knows exactly what he's going get out of both players, we are not going to get exciting out of jose football but winning football, just like against Ajax.
Martial should be shown this to demonstrate great off the ball movement. Brilliantly times run by Perisic.
How's he playing in general?
They are many things that Martial is good at that Perisic cant do.
The constant slagging of our younger players is tiring. Just a few months ago, it was Rashford.
We wouldn't be testing anything, except maybe their patience.
Who's slagging him? Martial's off the ball movement is holding him back from potentially becoming a world class attacker. It's no mystery that this side of his game is one of his weaknesses, doesn't mean he's not insanely talented.
Watching Perisic for Inter against FC Bayern kind of strengthens my belief that he will be a good acquisition for United. He is very, very good at being involved and exploiting the wings, as well as contributing by holding his position in defense. As soon as the ball is recovered by someone, he is immediately on alert and invites to be involved on the counter. I can definitely see him as a Mourinho-player, as he would do exactly what he is told - and I think he will be very stable in terms of performances. Good engine, good pace, good positional awareness.
He is no Hazard or Sanchez (which we do not have and which is needed to win the league) - but he is an option United do not currently have, a proper winger who is content to do the job assigned to him.
He is no Hazard or Sanchez (which we do not have and which is needed to win the league) - but he is an option United do not currently have, a proper winger who is content to do the job assigned to him.
The performance against Ajax is not a bench mark that we should be holding ourselves to. That was a one off game where Jose had inexplicably put all our eggs in one basket; it would certainly make or break our season - barring none.
I believe that we should set higher standards ourselves; Chelsea and Ajax were efficient displays that were buoyed by goals that allowed us to use those tactics. Jose is pragmatic regardless, but I would want us to see develop ruthlessness in front of goal - putting teams to the sword and not hanging on for dear life in the end.
Perisic is surely being earmarked for his consistent wingplay and Matic for his sound defensive positioning. Their signings definitely make sense but I, for one, would like someone more exciting than Perisic - on the wrong side of 25 (not exactly a long term signing for the money being asked).
If that is the case, why not go for someone younger like Oxlade - Chamberlain or Emile Forsberg? They would be available for much less and represent better long term prospects!
I can maybe sympathize with identify with saying a footballer is on the wrong side of 30...but 25? It's not even hyperbole. It's plain stupid.
Perisic is not a long term prospect. And we shouldn't be looking for one unless we plan to offload Martial.
Spend the money now. We find ourselves too far off the pace of the other elite clubs because of our penny pinching and aiming for the top stars landing on the mediocre (e.g. Fabregas to Fellaini...and I say that despite liking Fellaini). This is a guy that fills an important need with good quality. He isn't Sanchez or Bale in level, but he isn't mid table either. Just right for being able to vet in Martial imo
He's 28 already. We could certainly hope for the money being quoted, we could easily land a different player with more talent and age on his hand.
Guess you somehow easily missed reading what I had to say next, too bad. Here it is in case you feel obliged to read for argument sake:
There always is the financial considerations of landing a player over 27; most important among them being how long will the player contribute to the team before age catches up to them. Could you envisage, for a player in his position, getting 3-4 good seasons out of Perisic would seem good investment, yes?
But that investment would have to be offset by a STERLING impact on the team's performance - like landing Van Persie back in Fergie's swansong. Totally worth the investment and I would certainly go bonkers if that were to happen once again. I honestly don't think Perisic would have that kind of impact on our side, whereas Matic would probably paper over Carrick's imminent farewell season whilst becoming an automatic pick for our big games - and he would last longer too given the nature of his game.
Agree to disagree, then.
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I read and understood everything you wrote. But No. I don't want to agree to disagree. I want to help convince you that your perceptive, view, opinion or what have you is deeply flawed.
You're halfway there to my thinking if you see Matic as a reasonably option.
First, here's where I agree with you in principle - we shouldn't just throw cash around carelessly. I too think the financial considerations are important. But the point a lot of people miss is that buying cheaply can be just as detrimental for the team and business. Buying for a supposed long term can also backfire.
The financial risk in paying a premium for a more experienced player whose talents are refined is lower than putting that money into a young, unfinished player.
I'd love to hear how the following players weren't a complete waste of money:
Obertan
Bebe
Depay
Schneiderlin
That's close to 80 million right there. In essence Angel di Maria did more for us in one season for the same price than all of those combined across however many games.
The burden of taking these risks on younger talent is much more sensible when as a club we are performing consistently. We are not. We need to strengthen in the short term as a priority. But even then getting 3 or 4 good seasons from someone who is 27 or 28 for a high fee is necessary now.
I mean, look at Renato Sanchez at Bayern. They spent 30 million on a teenager who has a lot of growing pains. But they don't need him to become an integral part of the team yet let alone a world beater. They have the luxury of loaning him. Had we taken that gamble we would have needed him to perform immediately. Whereas spending more for Matic gives us what we need now.
I'd write more but I am remembering how near impossible it is to change someone's mind. I'd be pleased if you even considered any of this seriously.
this is going to turn into the new Bale/Ronaldo/Muller. Five seasons from now "he'll definitely be signing"... until he doesn't
No way he's worth 50M €. Inter can keep him.
That ball control 7 sec in.
are you Kleberson in disguise?
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