A more realistic offer is them giving us €50m + Perisic for Martial on loan
Ivan Perisic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Aren't we supposed to strengthen the first XI first and foremost, before getting these 'alternative option' players??
I mentioned that if we dont reinforce further , top 4 is by no means guaranteed and more than a few folks here disagreed with me. I guess time will tell
Ill come with something better but that surname has potential
Yeah he's the starting X1 player who can guarantee Jose a high bottom level. Martial in he stead is a boom or bust prospect that Jose isn't ready to trust yet.
Dreadful game which Inter dominated in the 2nd half, didn't do much
Sure let's do the math... He's spent a 1.6 billion dollars in transfers since joining Chelsea in 2004/2005.
Chelsea: 402,30 Mill. €
04/05: 163,40 Mill. €
05/06: 91,50 Mill. €
06/07: 88,40 Mill. €
07/08: 59,00 Mill. € (fired September 20th, 2007)
Inter: 154,80 Mill. €
08/09: 60,60 Mill. €
09/10: 94,20 Mill. €
Real Madrid: 181,50 Mill. €
10/11: 93,00 Mill. € (he was lucky Ronaldo and Kaka' were purchased earlier)
11/12: 55,00 Mill. €
12/13: 33,50 Mill. €
Chelsea: 358,55 Mill. €
13/14: 130,35 Mill. €
14/15: 137,70 Mill. €
15/16: 90,50 Mill. € (fired December 17, 2015)
United: 304,70 Mill. €
16/17: 185,00 Mill. €
17/18: 119,70 Mill. € (so far)
That's over 1.4 Bill. € // $1.6B in spending. That's more than half of Portugal's defense budget for NATO!!!
That mentality is utterly baffling. It's a warped way of thinking when people let their supposed loyalty to the club suppress any form of rational debate or constructive criticism.
I'm sure that Perisic is so angry at his team Inter!
Sky sports say Perisic "impresses" in the Lyon game.
I'm sure they got that from the ever reliant sky sources.
and the transfer fee he recouped?
It's well known he spent very little to win Inter THE TREBLE, is it wrong to trade for players better suited to your strategy?
That's more like it
Fergie said Kleberson won the World Cup for BrazilEveryone knew that Jose's first choice wingers were Hazard and Willian at that time. I don't know how is it so difficult to accept that fact.
Schürrle left means they need more players for squad depth and Cuadrado was the choice. The initial expectation of him was to be backup of Hazard and Willian, if he can take one of their spot in XI then it'll be beyond the manager's expectation and obviously a great thing for the manager. But at the end of the day he was signed for Hazard and Willian backup. Just accept the reality and stop wasting my time mate!!
Sir Alex wasn't that deluded like you.
Yes that's right. I saw the last 45 minutes just one minute ago and Perisic impressed as the most lazy player on the pitch. I refuse to believe he's our primary target, based on today's game against Lyon I can't see him as a Mourinho type of player. His defensive part was non existing and his offensive contribution was worse then Memphis/Lyon and that's says everything you needs to know.
Pre season means nothing but let's hope we have other targets.
Inter's a bit of anomaly, because the coach doesn't dictate what happens in market. By all means Milito, Eto'o, Sneijder, Thiago Motta, Lucio were Marco Branca purchases. It's the same model that has Walter Sabatini in charge at Inter now (rather than Spalleti) , or Mirabelli & Fassone at AC Milan (rather than Montella).
What we do know is that Mourinho pushed hard for a certain winger at Inter, by the name of Quaresma. He was a busted flush and Inter took a 20 million hit when they sold him 2 years later to Besiktas. Great job Jose.
So Inter aside, he's spent 1.5Billion USD. Don't know how much he's recouped, but I'll guess his net spent is close to a billion dollars.
Jose does have a bad record with wingers, so no to Perisic!!!
Hopefully he's just berbatov sulking then!
Funny.
Those are all players Jose identified and pushed for. Every single one of them.
What? How do you know that?
Are you saying Jose had minimal input into transfers at Inter? I find it hard to believe Branca just happened to buy exactly the right types of players for Jose's style and tactics -seemingly irrespective of age or price- and Jose just somehow materialized it into a historic treble win? It seems clear that Jose must have had a major influence in who was targeted, and the flippant nature of the hefty prices paid for some fairly old players also reeks of Jose's general targeting strategy.
I seem to recall Jose not doing that well at Inter initially, and getting quite a bit of stick from the Italian press. The general gist of it iirc, was that he subsequently blamed his failure upon not having the squad he needed and not being backed in the transfer market. Then those big money signings like Eto'o, Milito, Lucio etc were made and they won the treble. Jose has only ever been successful when he gets his own way. I don't see how that also wasn't clearly the case at Inter.
Yep. Shaun Wright-Philips, Salomon Kalou, Florent Malouda, Ricardo Quaresma, Angel di Maria, Pedro Leon, Jose Callejon, Royston Drenthe, Willian, Andre Schurrle, Mohamed Salah, Juan Cuadrado, Pedro... not a great list.
So if I get this right given Jose's bad record with wingers we shouldnt buy any?
Suddenly he didn't buy any player at Inter.
Suddenly he didn't buy any player at Inter.
Indeed. Thiago Motta and Milito were booked deals with Genoa in advance. Samuel Eto'o and cash was in exchange for Ibra + Maxwell. Mourinho didn't want Maxwell and put Chivu as a LB (solid defensively, but not offering much forward). Mourinho's input was Sneijder, Lucio and Quaresma. The backbone of the team (Julio Cesar, Zanetti, Cambiasso, Maicon, Samuel, Materazzi and Balotelli
) were already in the squad. And Inter were like present day Juve, winning 4-5 scudettos in a row. It's a different model, but think about present day Milan. ou never hear about Montella. His job is to coach the team. He can be fired midterm. The directors stay. That's just the way it is. The real power and decision-making over the squad lies with Mirabelli and Fassone.
Marco Branca was in charge of transfers at Inter and spent 12 years there. In that period Inter must have had over 12 coaches....
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Kind of, he has a great record with defenders and strikers though.
Quite frankly, it's not the end of the world if we don't get Perisic, that's where I'm getting at. Further, to give up Martial for Perisic would be an unmitigated disaster.
Anthony needs a competent leftback in the mold of Patrice Evra who can overlap and offer a passing option. Darmian is garbage, he does the bare minimum and his knees start trembling when he crosses the half-way line. I would have gone for Mendy rather than Perisic for the figures involved.
We also need another quick, mobile midfielder who can complement Pogba and Herrera. For me Fellaini should not be an option, and Carrick should be a part player brought in the last 20 minutes to close out a game, def not a starter.
We wouldnt give up Martial for Perisic. Our options up front are limited. We can hope some of the forward players will raise form but an addition up front would come handy.
That's who Inter are asking for, and the fact we haven't decisively shut that negotiation down gives me nightmares.
You either offer more money to buy the player outright, or you thank Inter and move to other targets. We haven't been linked with other wingers, so it's remotely possible that we are entertaining the swap. It'd be very stupid imo, endof.
All that doesn't even remotely mean we're entertaining that idea. The fact media doesn't know about it doesn't mean we're not trying to get another winger.
Were you naming all the bad ones or??? Without even going into the others, how can Pedro & Willian be classed as bad signings? Willian performed for Jose & Pedro performed for Conte so?...
The phrase "cheque-book manager" hardly seems adequate ... a bit like describing Mount Everest as a big hill.
Mourinho please, I beg you. Move along to option B please. Inter are a nightmare to deal with. Plenty of Perifishic in the sea.
I'm named all of them. Out of a list of 13 players, you've got one or two hits (ADM, Willian), the rest clearly were meh signings. You've got even good wingers (Pedro, Juan Cuadrado, Salah(?)) who raised their output playing for other managers.
Not to mention Arjen Robben being deemed surplus to requirements at Chelsea and being shipped off to Real Madrid.
Malouda was absolute quality for two seasons as well.
Indeed. Thiago Motta and Milito were booked deals with Genoa in advance. Samuel Eto'o and cash was in exchange for Ibra + Maxwell. Mourinho didn't want Maxwell and put Chivu as a LB (solid defensively, but not offering much forward). Mourinho's input was Sneijder, Lucio and Quaresma. The backbone of the team (Julio Cesar, Zanetti, Cambiasso, Maicon, Samuel, Materazzi and Balotelli
It's a different model, but think about present day Milan. ou never hear about Montella. His job is to coach the team. He can be fired midterm. The directors stay. That's just the way it is. The real power and decision-making over the squad lies with Mirabelli and Fassone.
Marco Branca was in charge of transfers at Inter and spent 12 years there. In that period Inter must have had over 12 coaches....
Yes and i don't dispute most of that, but i was makng the point that mourinho still seemed to get exactly who he had wanted previously, then after moaning, he suddenly got them and won the treble. Mourinho simply isn't like other managers, they don't have his huge public profile, his personality, or his record. The general way of things in milan does not explain how it all just came together at that point, without a change in Inter's usual policy and then some serious input from Mourinho. It was the directors somewhat relenting to Mourinho's wishes in this manner that i was recalling. Jose got what he moaned for and Inter won the treble.
Yes but they spent huge mostly during mourinho's time, and it was the only time they won a treble, or even got anywhere near a CL final. Mourinho's strategy has always been the same, at every post Porto club he has been at. Targeting whatever he thinks he needs to win, and he isn't interested in how much is spent, as long as he gets what he needs to get the job done.
Whatever Inter's usual procedures, it seems far more likely that jose had more input than other managers, it just doesn't make sense otherwise. An unhappy Jose, -who isn't getting things his way- is simply not someone who will bond a team together and inspire a treble run for owners who don't back him. That Jose is the petulant spoilt child that causes division and disruption throughout the club and then gets sacked when he goes too far.
The Jose that took Inter to the Treble was the passionate, determined, driven and tactically inspirational Jose, that knows he has exactly what he needs to win and he gets on with achieving it by any means necessary.
I don't even want to know who is plan B if Perisic is A. But i would like to know why we don't have any better/more potential players on the list. Sorry but Perisic already sounds like typical C/D option. Maybe he is? I would go with Martial if have to decide right now. He at least will be better than Perisic.
Inter doing a Sneijder 2013 summer all over again. They are asking for £20 million extra for a player that is not worth a penny for then £35 million just like they did for Sneijder back in the summer leaking news to press every week saying the player was available for United at the right price.
Move on Woddy they are a nightmare club to deal with.
If Swansea can list Gylfi Sigurðsson at £50m then Inter can ask the same for Perisic. Both are stupidly overpriced.
It's even more redicilous when you consider Juventus got Douglas Costa and Bernardeschi for much less.
It's even more redicilous when you consider Juventus got Douglas Costa and Bernardeschi for much less.
The thing that people often seem to miss with transfers is whether they will actually improve us. There are many shiny new toys we could look at but not many realistic targets are premium quality, guaranteed to improve us. There are probably 0 players available who are even as good as Martial can potentially be. Perisic at least offers something different. He is a proper wide player who will put regular crosses in which is an option we don't have. Having a different option to play with is extremely underrated and its actually signings like this that actually can improve us.
People want either unrealistic targets like Neymar or players who are similar to what we already have (but they'd prefer as they are new and look amazing on YouTube). But adding another attacking dimension even if it isn't a world-class player (which obviously even Jose would admit Perisic isn't) is extremely valuable.
I'm all for getting that real match-winner in attack but who is out there after Griezmann turned us down? I think persisting with players like Martial is a lot better option than say had we gone for Douglas Costa. Perisic would be a nice option as a proper wide-player who also works hard for the team. I can definitely see why Jose wants this guy - he is totally different to anything we have at the moment which you can say for only a select number of players people are posting as alternative targets, if any.
There are a lot of players who are slightly better then Martial or Rashford at this very moment, but buying them is just pointless unless they are really world class. Putting faith and improving what we have is a much better option than buying 90% of the players people call for on here. This endless obsession with new players is pretty childish. It's also childish when you all start crying that we are chasing one who is actually like nothing we have at the moment, just because he isn't a big name or under the age of 25.
Admittedly, I do agree with the reservations about the price. £50m is insane and he would be up against it from day 1 with United fans demanding more than I think he can offer. But this is a market where Swansea are turning down £45m offers.
People want either unrealistic targets like Neymar or players who are similar to what we already have (but they'd prefer as they are new and look amazing on YouTube). But adding another attacking dimension even if it isn't a world-class player (which obviously even Jose would admit Perisic isn't) is extremely valuable.
I'm all for getting that real match-winner in attack but who is out there after Griezmann turned us down? I think persisting with players like Martial is a lot better option than say had we gone for Douglas Costa. Perisic would be a nice option as a proper wide-player who also works hard for the team. I can definitely see why Jose wants this guy - he is totally different to anything we have at the moment which you can say for only a select number of players people are posting as alternative targets, if any.
There are a lot of players who are slightly better then Martial or Rashford at this very moment, but buying them is just pointless unless they are really world class. Putting faith and improving what we have is a much better option than buying 90% of the players people call for on here. This endless obsession with new players is pretty childish. It's also childish when you all start crying that we are chasing one who is actually like nothing we have at the moment, just because he isn't a big name or under the age of 25.
Admittedly, I do agree with the reservations about the price. £50m is insane and he would be up against it from day 1 with United fans demanding more than I think he can offer. But this is a market where Swansea are turning down £45m offers.
Right, and a lot of those were not signed to be first choice. As Pexbo had said Malouda was very good for about 2 years. Kalou gave them great service as well.
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