Is there some evidence for the idea of players making their fees back through additional marketing deals or is this the new "transfer funded by shirt sales"?
Ivan Perisic
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Is there some evidence for the idea of players making their fees back through additional marketing deals or is this the new "transfer funded by shirt sales"?
I'll drive out to Cheshire and burgle the cretin myself.
Oh but he does my friend. He can do both pretty well. His wing play with Mendy has been a joy to watch all season and wing play implies him staying on that wing. He's had many assists and created many opportunites from the left wing, crossing while running, crossing while standing and facing his defender. He's a jewell this kid.
Can I blame the club for being interested in them in the first place
?Cannot believe this thread has over 200 pages. This must be right up there for players the caf doesn't REALLY want, but still keep talking about.
Surprise transfer megathread of the summer.
Do you think his goal and assist numbers are depressed by virtue of him playing on the left wing (very few top wingers still do that at big clubs, this season only Douglas Costa at Juve, Atletico playing a CM at right wing often and Pedro at Chelsea come to mind off hand from the first choice XI for the 12-15 clubs in the world though I'm probably forgetting a couple guys) and he'd have even higher totals cutting in from the right or is LW his best position? I assume if Wenger bought him and kept Sanchez for one more year that Lemar would play on the right for Arsenal, for instance.
I honestly can't tell you, all I know is that he feels natural on his left wing. Some left sided players prefer to play on the right. I wouldn't be surprised if he could do it on the right. A natural left footed winger playing on the left wing is very very rare these days. Specially one who is young and talented.
Not really, i've just pointed out how shit he was..
Maybe, maybe not. Cuadrado was doing quite well at the time, coming from a WC where quite a few wanted us to sign him. Is it so unrealistic that he was hoping for something a bit more than just backup ?
And isn't the entire plan to sign Perisic as "an extra option" and not as a clear first choice ?
I still think he could do a decent job for us TBH. He's the Valencia type of signing Mou might be interested in
Gone awfully quiet on him.
Which is why he wasn't signed for the manager's first choice XI.
By your logic means that Sir Alex signed Kleberson for his first choice to take Scholes or Keane spot
Stop kidding yourself mate, it's not hard to admit the fact that in 2014/2015 Jose's first choice two wingers were Hazard and Willian. Schürrle left because those two played ahead of him and Cuadrado was his replacement to backup Hazard and Willian.
I can see us giving up this transfer to seal the Matic deal.
I think this is off and we're just getting a DM. Maybe a different winger if something opens up in the next month, like PSG castoffs.
I'd rather get this done than matic/dier. Our wing play is really dire, where as we can get away without a DM as we did last season.
Very debatable as it is unlikely we will see the best of Pogba without a DM in the team.
What's Perisic got to do with Matic or Dier?
i think it's spurred on becuase of how polar opposites the points of view are, you have one side utterly flabbergasted at the ludicrousness of spending nearly £50 million on this guy and the other side who want to justify it becuase it seems very possible he will end up a united player and want to defend the player and the transfer.
well i'd say possibly that the way the transfer fees are going we might not be able to afford an defensive midfielder and a winger, becuase with everyone quoting us around 50 million buying both will take our spending comfortably over £200 million and ill be surprised if the Glazers are comfortable in doing that.
so it may be one or the other.
opposite, id rather us get a decent defensive midfielder as i think that was our biggest weakness last season.
The world's richest club having to choose between Dier or Perisic. Don't think so.
might come to that, we'll see.
i doubt anyone at the club envisioned or budgeted been quoted near 50 million for players the level of Perisic when they planned our summer activity, and that is going to have an effect on how many players we buy.
So everyone knew he was shite when they signed him ?
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By your logic means that Sir Alex signed Kleberson for his first choice to take Scholes or Keane spot
Kleberson was signed to be a key player. Amusingly enough, just like Cuadrado he came from a very good world cup. He actually did fine enough until he dislocated his shoulder
Willian had signed 5 months earlier, i don't see why it's in your head impossible that Cuadrado was meant for something more than a backup to Willian.
What a thread.
I hope that if we do sign Perisic and he does well for us, those who have called him average or predicted he will be a bad purchase, will be humble enough to come to the caf, admit they were wrong and apologise.
On the other hand, if we do get him and he flops, I hope those who have been argueing that he will be a super buy will come here, admit they were wrong and apologize.
Wouldn't want anyone 'hiding' after sounding like the world's number one expert on Perisic, would we?
I hope that if we do sign Perisic and he does well for us, those who have called him average or predicted he will be a bad purchase, will be humble enough to come to the caf, admit they were wrong and apologise.
On the other hand, if we do get him and he flops, I hope those who have been argueing that he will be a super buy will come here, admit they were wrong and apologize.
Wouldn't want anyone 'hiding' after sounding like the world's number one expert on Perisic, would we?
Everyone knew that Jose's first choice wingers were Hazard and Willian at that time. I don't know how is it so difficult to accept that fact.
Schürrle left means they need more players for squad depth and Cuadrado was the choice. The initial expectation of him was to be backup of Hazard and Willian, if he can take one of their spot in XI then it'll be beyond the manager's expectation and obviously a great thing for the manager. But at the end of the day he was signed for Hazard and Willian backup. Just accept the reality and stop wasting my time mate!!
Sir Alex wasn't that deluded like you.
If that's your take on it..Either way i'm not entirely sure what you think this changes. Your claim was the following: There is a reason why the manager wants Perisic as his winger
My point was that he also wanted Cuadrado, signed him in january and offloaded him in august because of how shite he was. He was also desperate to sign Kezman, Mutu, etc etc etc. Just hiding behind that the manager wants a player is just stupid. We all know that Mourinho wants to sign Perisic, you'll hardly get a gold star for pointing it out, the only thing that matters if it's a good idea or not.
I agree, but we stilled signed Kleberson, The Djemba twins and Miller. Not sure why anyone would argue that Kleberson was signed as simply a backup.
If Mourinho wants Perisic and Perisic costs 50 million..... Pay 50 million.
If 50 million is too much for the player in question, then sign a younger or cheaper alternative.
Seems like we don't really have an alternative to Perisic and all our eggs were in one basket for this position. I think we missed out on Bernardeschi as he was a younger version of Perisic with more potential. But Juve were shrewd as ever as got it done while we dilly dallied over Perisic.
If 50 million is too much for the player in question, then sign a younger or cheaper alternative.
Seems like we don't really have an alternative to Perisic and all our eggs were in one basket for this position. I think we missed out on Bernardeschi as he was a younger version of Perisic with more potential. But Juve were shrewd as ever as got it done while we dilly dallied over Perisic.
At this point, I agree we should just pay up. If the manager thinks this is the person to help the squad, and let's face it we need a winger badly, then just do it. We need to have a proper squad more than holding some moral high ground. The bigger teams like Bayern and Juve can do that because they have a top squad already and don't need to make signings, we absolutely need signings.
Has that deal even been announced? Hardly shrewd, it's taken them this long to get it done.
Just hope we get a winger. Poor transfer window if this clear weakness last season isn't addressed.
My point was that you can't use comparison between a reason of manager who wants to sign Perisic as his first choice winger with a reason of manager who wanted to sign Cuadrado as a replacement of Schürrle who was backup of Willian and Hazard. Jose wants/wanted to sign them for different reason/purpose/role.
I stated that Willian and Hazard were Jose's first choice winger from the start of the season 2014/2015 and even when Cuadrado joined they both are still Jose's first choice and you against this fact even though it has been proven to be correct. If you want to say this is wrong, give me some evidence or proof, don't just keep talking nonsense with no proof.
Amusingly enough there is someone thinks that Kleberson was signed to be a key player.
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Uurgh good lord what a sentence...! Giving up on an overpriced 28 y.o. mediocrity to secure an overpriced 29 y.o. mediocrity.
If not for Lukaku this transfer window would be more depressing than the 2009 one.
Wasnt Kleberson signed to help Ronaldinho settle in?
And someone thinks that Kleberson was signed to be a key player.
You'd have to be pretty thick to believe we spent £6.5mill in 2003 + wages on a key player for Brazil when they won the world cup, to help a player we didn't sign settle in.
Perisic isn't even likely to play each week, which has already been pointed out, more as an option depending on opponent. Willian had been signed six months earlier and was hardly mint at the time considering the fee they had spent on him, don't really see how it's so unlikely that Cuadrado was brought in to compete for a first team spot (apart from you claiming otherwise though).
Either way it doesn't matter if he was brought in to be a backup, tea maker, to have a bit of a gobble on someones testicle or first choice, the point was that Mourinho wanted to sign him and he was utter dross and had to be shipped out after half a season. Perisic being mint just because Mourinho wants him isn't much of an argument. It's perfectly normal to be skeptic about spending such an insane amount of money, even in todays market, for a player like Perisic.
Ofcourse we signed him to be a key player, he had been mint for Brazil and looked like he was going to be a solid player for the future
Ferguson said: "We're delighted Kleberson is joining us because we've been chasing him for quite a few months.
"He played in the World Cup final for Brazil, and his then coach Phil Scolari said he was first choice every time in the team.
"The new Brazilian coach Parreira says the same. He is a young, athletic midfield player who can play in a number of positions.
"One of the reasons we sold Seba Veron was because we knew we were getting Kleberson - that shows how highly we regard his talent."
Nope it's bollocks.
We conceded 29 goals... We finished 6th because our attack wasn't good enough.
He has a medical scheduled for tomorrow. £36m for a 23 year old with serious pace and athleticism is far more shrewd than a 28 year old for close to £50m.
Both Perisic and Bernardeschi had their first significant seasons in Serie A last season. Signing Bernardeschi from another Serie A club in Fiorentina was a far tougher task but they managed it. Surely Fiorentina would rather have sold him abroad than strengthen another domestic team. In my eyes it would have been a no brainer to go for him.
All I can say is you don't know how to read because I never say such a thing and you are deluded enough if you think he can take Scholes and Keane spot. "Key player", very amusing.
You certainly didn't say anything to disagree with the claim that he was Signed to help Ronaldinho settle in.
Where did i say anything about scholes and Keane ? Fergie made a veron reference
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