The silliest posts come from full members not the newbies tbh.
Ivan Perisic
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I was talking about comparing Zaha to Perisic is being ridiculous so don't know what time we'll need to start comparing Obertan to Perisic then, I didn't mention a direct comparison between Zaha and Obertan. Seems you don't get my post.
He's a midtable level player till he proves otherwise. When he moves to Spurs and do a great job we can start talking about him being a player of higher lever than midtable clubs but currently, hmm, no. I'm not saying he's bad, though, but he's still not THAT great either imo.
Palace is a nothing club and I don't care about their fans mocking us for this transfer.
Interesting thing about Perisic:
"One count from last season had it that Perisic played 6.6 crosses per game. For comparison, the figures from United’s current wide options were: Jesse Lingard 1, Anthony Martial 2.24, Henrikh Mkhitaryan 2.
Given that new main striker Romelu Lukaku has scored the third most headed goals in the Premier League since 2012-13 with 18 (after Christian Benteke’s 23 and Olivier Giroud’s 25), and that almost a quarter of his goals last season were in the air, it seems obvious that United needed a player to supply that ability."
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He is fast; he can dribble; he is two footed; he can play left wing, right wing and support striker roles; he can track back; he can cross and he has been consistently improving in the last four seasons.
Too easy to see why Jose seems desperate for this guy.
"One count from last season had it that Perisic played 6.6 crosses per game. For comparison, the figures from United’s current wide options were: Jesse Lingard 1, Anthony Martial 2.24, Henrikh Mkhitaryan 2.
Given that new main striker Romelu Lukaku has scored the third most headed goals in the Premier League since 2012-13 with 18 (after Christian Benteke’s 23 and Olivier Giroud’s 25), and that almost a quarter of his goals last season were in the air, it seems obvious that United needed a player to supply that ability."
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He is fast; he can dribble; he is two footed; he can play left wing, right wing and support striker roles; he can track back; he can cross and he has been consistently improving in the last four seasons.
Too easy to see why Jose seems desperate for this guy.
There will be a lot of foolish people in this thread when he comes in and does really well for us. Can't wait for the inevitable quoting.
OK, accidentally found some stats36 games, 8 assists, 239 crosses which is roughly 30 crosses per assists, doesn't seem that great.
The problem at Inter is that their forward line fails to bury chances. A lot of crosses are left to waste.
Its all about Pieces to the puzzle. Yes James will sell the T shirts, but guess what. Perisic has what we want in the managers eyes. We already have a player like James in Mkhitaryan. We have wide Fwds like Martial. The only true Left winger we have is Young who a) is no where as good b) plays more in defense these days c) doesnt use his left foot nearly as much
He will sign in the next few days in my opinion, hope he hits the ground running.
I'm over the ridiculous fee tbh. The main issue is whether this will actually be a big improvement. No matter what way you spin it, there were better, more creative players available. I understand Perisic will probably be signed because he fits in better with Jose's system but will that make the team better than bringing in someone like James, Costa, or possibly Sanchez would who will clearly contribute more in terms of pure numbers? Maybe, maybe not. I'm leaning towards the latter personally.
I've seen Perisic play a decent amount (though not every game or anything). Probably about 6-8 times for Inter last season. I watched him for Croatia in the Euros. I saw him a few times at Wolfsburg. I did see him play for Dortmund but I don't remember that very well and he's changed massively as a player since then anyway so not that relevant. He's a good player who would be better than signing nobody on the wing but I don't think he'll improve us enough to win the title honestly. That's the biggest issue.
Also, listening to people here you'd swear this man was the best crosser in world football. I've watched him enough to know his crossing is decent but not spectacular and if he was really that great of a crosser he would have more assists from the hundreds he attempted last season. 1 assist every roughly 30 crosses is not a good total and people can complain about the quality of the finishing but players miss good chances at every club. It happens (how many did Ibra miss last season, how many assists should Pogba have?). It's not like he's playing with a poor finisher either, Icardi pretty much carried that team. God knows where they'd have ended up without his 24 league goals. Even Candreva got more assists playing on the other wing.
In short, will Perisic improve the squad? Yes. Will it be enough? I don't think so.
I understood your post. I agree it's too early to say Zaha would be a better signing than Perisic. We'll see how he develops. Tbh I think you're dismissing him as a player a bit too easily though. He's still only 24.
I wasn't really gonna reply to this because there's probably no point in arguing and going round in circles. However I must point out one of the things I hate most in life is the following thing you said
I hateee it when people use an opinion as a basis of an argument. Just because you think something, it doesn't mean anything. I could just as well say Welbeck would have been the best winger in the league under Mourinho, it doesn't mean anything. It's so stupid when people try to do this in arguments, it's not a valid argument and you can't use an opinion which you haven't given any evidence/logical reasoning for as part of your case.
Sorry rant over, otherwise yeah maybe top players would do better than they did under LVG, but all good players need to play in a balanced system. Real Madrid won 2 CL's in 2 years after they got Casemiro, he made a huge difference even though he's not a 'big player'. Inter had Pandev on the wing when they won the treble. Bayern had Mandzukic when they won the treble, it's always good to have these types of players
Well, I think future is the only thing that will tell us if he'll reach that level or not. I agree he still has a big space of development, though.
Don't think it'll be enough to win the title either, it's just more that he's an important player to get because of the type of player he is, and one of the reasons we're going for him is because there are so few options out there for pacey wingers. Looking at the wide options in our squad, we have 2 players (mata and Mkhitaryan) who are better as #10's, 2 players who are better up front and when they play wide they cut in most of the time anyway (Martial and Rashford), and then someone who probably would be nowhere near the United squad if he didn't go through our youth (lingard, who isn't a winger anyway). We don't have any actual winger. So Perisic being fast, tricky, 2 footed and a hard worker who can play on either wing goes perfectly for Mourinho.
Fwiw, Costa isn't any better then him, he's ridiculously inconsistent and really unproductive. Had a really good half season in his first year at bayern then has been shit ever since. Plus he's not even a full year younger I don't think. James is quality, but a pure #10 so why would we get him when we already have 2 players who are best as a 10 and will get a second striker in Griezmann next summer? Sanchez on the other hand doesn't belong there because he's obviously world class and would be perfect for us, but I don't think there's a chance in hell Wenger would sell him to Mourinho and United, no matter the price. He goes into the "mission impossible" signings that Mou talked about.
Also the only way we'll win the title is if we get those underperforming players in our squad back to their best. Looking at Mkhitaryan, Martial and Shaw mainly. Martial at his best would be like a brilliant new signing and exactly what we need in the attack, Mkhitaryan at his best can easily provide both 15 goals and 15 assists throughout the season and be a huge threat, while Shaw if he actually fulfills his potential would give us a good balance to Valencia on the other side. And then next summer I'm sure we'll sign Griezmann anyway as the finishing touch. If Mkhitaryan and Martial have as inconsistent and ineffective seasons as last year, then I highly doubt we'll do any more then challenge for top 4 again. We need them all to improve and I'm sure they will.
That is why i wanted to find the percentage of crosses that actually reached a teammate but can't find exact stat (not that stats tell the whole picture)
It was implied that what I said was an opinion. You don't have to state imo after every sentence. The only thing you can really talk about without giving opinion is listing pure statistics for a player. My main basis for di Maria doing well under a different manager was the way he started the season and his impressive numbers for us even after performing undeniably poorly for the majority of the season. I disagree with the general point that signing big players shouldn't be the priority for the club. Yes, you need these squad players who do a good job. Park was one of my favourite players while he was here and he certainly fit into that example. At the same time when a team isn't scoring enough goals, you should be looking for people who can solve that problem. I would trust top players with better goal and assist numbers to provide that more.
I agree with most of what you said. I see Martial more as an inside forward on the wing than as a striker tbh (unless he's playing in a 2 striker system, I think he'd work well there). James can play very well on the wing too so while cam might be his more natural position he would still be able to create from the left wing imo, his crossing is excellent. Costa would be more of a risk than James but I think he's more talented than Perisic tbh. Yes, he's been inconsistent over the last couple seasons but he is capable of some incredible passes when on form. He wouldn't add direct goals but he'd have added a lot of assists if he remained motivated imo. I pretty much agree with you on the rest. If we had an in form Mkhi and Martial we shouldn't even need another creative player. It's just whether they'll actually turn up.
Without being a tactical hipster, I imagine Mou is thinking of using three at the back as an option when we play teams which employ the high press. With that formation we'd have more passing options for the keeper and the defenders and would be a lot more compact.
Perisic might not be a proven wing back but Mou probably thinks he's got all the tools for that position (like Valencia) , and he can also play as a conventional winger if we want to play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. So he can give us lots of flexibility.
That's my reading anyway, might be complete bollocks though!
Perisic might not be a proven wing back but Mou probably thinks he's got all the tools for that position (like Valencia) , and he can also play as a conventional winger if we want to play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. So he can give us lots of flexibility.
That's my reading anyway, might be complete bollocks though!
I hate posts like these, only serves to escalate the shitty climate where opinions are getting so polarized that it's not even meaningful to reply anymore.
We're all wrong about things, I've been sceptical of alot of our signings in recent years but I was over the bloody moon when we signed Memphis and Shaw for example. A little searching in your history and I can find posts of yours wanting Clyne, Coleman or basically anyone over Valencia at RB and that Darmian would be our first choice RB for five years ahead as long as he could stay healthy.
Simply put it creates goal scoring opportunities for the forwards. It is then down to those forwards to convert those chances into goals.
Good post
Yes, bravo. Agreed
Great post. A lot of posters are self absorved cnuts who think they can get some stupid glory with their 'I told you so's.
Yeah I was sceptical when this idea was first put forward but now I think this is probably the case. I don't actually think we'll be playing 3-5-2 very often, but for specific games (like against Chelsea for example), I think we want the option of a decent lwb which we don't really have right now (even though Lingard did well there Saturday). Interesting to see how Perisic would do in that role (despite what some have said I've never actually seen him play there before).
Kind of agree with martial, keep flip flopping on what hes better for. At his best he can be world class in either, depending on the system. But hes got a way to go to prove that. But even with Martial and Miki in form, having an option like Perisic will really help just for the variety but also so we dont have to stick mata or lingard or rashford out wide. They all played on the wings quite a bit last season, and if we're being honest, all are pretty wank out wide. If perisic was a good 4 years younger he'd be perfect, though as it is its not the end of the world because the younger players here dont have long term worries in terms of the wide areas.
I agree.
I think sometimes we forget that we are not football experts despite proclaiming to be and the majority of the time we get things wrong.
People may not be thrilled about us signing Perisic and others may be over the moon about it but in reality none of us really know how his career here will pan out.
Bit disappointed at some of the negativity towards Perisic. He's a good old fashioned winger and we also now have a bloody good number 9 who needs delivery. Who gives a shit if he's 28 or 29? Right now, we need a couple more players who are, or are close to, the finished article. Not every signing can be made with one eye on the future.
Hopefully we get this over the line by the end of the week.
Hopefully we get this over the line by the end of the week.
Yeah, I'll welcome and support Perisic as soon as he's officially signed. I think the main problem is I'm pretty much equating this with us signing no other top attackers, and without that I don't see us realistically competing for the title, which I was hoping would be our goal for the season. I'm sure he'll contribute well to the squad even if it's not necessarily in terms of goals or assists. I think he and Martial will be rotated a lot on the left tbh so hopefully this will allow Martial more of a chance to get back to the levels he's capable of.
United are expected to pay an initial £39.5 million rising to £44 million with add-ons
Chris Wheeler of the Mail saying the exact same as Ducker:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-United-complete-44m-deal-Ivan-Perisic.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-United-complete-44m-deal-Ivan-Perisic.html
I must admit that I haven't seen much of this lad but if he's in an inter team that finished 6th and no other big clubs are in for him at 28, that does say a lot and at £40-£50m it is a concern.
However from what I have read this lad hugs the lines and works hard. So hopefully provides us width with the defensive work rate Jose likes.
However from what I have read this lad hugs the lines and works hard. So hopefully provides us width with the defensive work rate Jose likes.
At least we only have to wait until tomorrow to find out if it's true.
And it's always nice to hear that a player is desperate to join us.
And it's always nice to hear that a player is desperate to join us.
Get on that plane tomorrow to China you wanker!
I've never been so excited by the thought of someone getting on a fecking plane.
Hopefully it gets finalized asap, so he can participate more in our pre-season.
Here's hoping he turns out to be a success.
Here's hoping he turns out to be a success.
If we were signing a 29 year old Hazard, Sanchez, Aguerro or whatever then I don't think people would care (or at least a lot less) - in fact, I think most fans would love to sign a top class finished article, as we did with Van Persie. I'm fairly certain the age concerns are around the fact that he's unlikely to improve much, especially given that a lot of people don't rate him at all, despite him probably being at his peak level of performance.
I haven't really seen enough to make a good judgment but the reasoning for people's concerns seem pretty obvious to me.
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