Their fullbacks of course. Let's say we don't sign Perisic. We're still gonna fork out big buck for at least a left back, then a new debate rages on about new left back taking Shaw gametime... Mendy & Alex Sandro are both touted at least 50 mil by the papers, with Alex Sandro is rumored to about to sign a new contract. That leaving the competition for this left back very stiff & may lead to bidding war making this left back more expensive than he is supposed to be. If it's Mendy then remember he only really made a real break through this season.
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Who were those teams spending less than half but doing better?
€30m + Darmian is a good piece of business if true. Would also make the Aurier rumors make a little more sense.
But to be able to let Darmian go, then we have to make sure we have Aurier (in case this is real) tied down first, or we have our hand short. Market is going crazy with quite few teams looking for full backs. If we don't play our card right, we may end up getting price bullied even for a back up full back option. Ideally we may still sell Darmian to Inter but at least try to make it a separate deal for security reason.
I was talking about Perisic's case (but in general also, there is too much moaning these days about the fees). Has the transfer even been finalised that we know what the final price is going to be? It is obvious we are unwilling to pay what Inter is demanding currently and it is holding up the transfer. And if Perisic is the only available player for the profile Mourinho is looking at (I don't know myself) then I would rather that he got the player he wants at whatever price. And make the manager accountable on what happens on the pitch.
Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal? Almost all of them have net spend less than £120 in the last five seasons, ours is over £400m. This shows how poor we've been in the transfer market. We buy overpriced players and give them fat contracts, then we struggle to offload them.
Fwiw I am not blaming all the shit signings post-Ferguson on Mourinho but I am our history since then to show the folly of blindly following the manager when it comes to issues of this nature. There should be a point where the economic case should trump the sporting one and, imo, paying over the odds for a 28 year old winger who has achieved nothing of significance in a ten year career is that. If we allow Inter to charge us obscene amounts for a player like this it will entrench a very bad precedent and we will feel the impact of such foolishness when we start getting quoted even more figures for even worse players.
I have no issues with the logic behind the pursuit, I just think he is just that much of a must have that we have to pay anything to get him.
You're forgetting that recently, thanks to our spouting about how much money we have, whenever we go in for a player, the selling club automatically adds 10, 15, 20m on to their price tag. Combined with the fact we have been shit at selling players never makes our net spend look good. The basic numbers do also lie, we should look at the net spend as a percentage of our revenue, which balances out more evenly to other clubs.
Also, how often have people complained over the last five years about Arsenal needing to sign better players and, for all the great football they play, what have Tottenham won without spending?
Pereira is versatile enough that he can rotate in for both roles. He did it for Granada and played well across the field.
Please check Chelsea spending. IIRC they also spent in 100+mil. You can say they make some good selling but remember they lost Eurpean football money, so their selling the surplus players who they don't need for the league, is just to cover the loss than really making profit. The season before they refused to back Mourinho & instead going for cheap alternative & we knew what happened.
Were Tottenham & L'pool really better than us? Last time I check they can boast about performance, but they gain less than us. What 2nd position do when winning EL give you pretty same thing & a trophy which is immortalized? Remember L'pool would have to play CL qualification. In big picture, a season need to be assessed with context of every competition a team participate. You can't say. IF you're talking about LVG's seasons, then you should notice we moved on & had the previous season which can't be judged as worse season than Tottenham or L'pool.
Fair point, but as I said in other post. The only alternative is to going for a good left back which is also a tough target given at least 2 other big boys are fighting this LB. In term of winger of this profile, Perisic is pretty much up there for the best one available. It's a tough market this time for sure. Our views may different, but I do understand, just think that aking bad signing is bad, but dithering & having Moyes season repeat is worse IMO. It leaves you with "what if" regret in the following years, that is more of a nightmare.
Edit: the last point I meant something like this. Fellaini was a disastrous signing nonetheless. However, having him then offsetting his uselessness over the length of his contract eventually making his signings less worse. He played a role in LVG first season to get top 4 finish; winning FA Cup, EL. It's not the best we hope, but it's better than dithering, missing out host of other players & having to make do with already unbalanced squad which can't punch much above the weight. 28 mil for Fellaini in the end was not that bad. 50 mil or anything now in few years may not be bad too, given we're seeing quite few transfer with similar figure already appear now.
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This is a brilliant, common sense post.
$50,000 dollars does not mean the same thing to Bill Gates and I.
I am still scarred from Mata, Mkhi and Martial's numerous wasted chances/average performances of last season. The way the team kept missing sitters was truly unique, it was a different level of frustration altogether. So I wanted someone better than the likes of Perisic.
At the same time, I concede that our attackers can hardly sink lower than that and so there will be improvement. I am just not sure by how much since other teams will strengthen too. But of course, I will fully get behind Perisic if he does sign.
Considering the inflation in today's market, 45 million will be a steal for Perisic and he will turn us into a more attacking side not a defensive one. Save this post and quote me next season if we eventually sign him.
It is obvious many people here don't value what he will bring to the table and what Jose sees in him. A two footed forward liner who is quick; can play as a left winger; right winger and supporting striker; can shoot, dribble and work hard for the team, will certainly improve us significantly.
We can romanticize about Costa or Neymar all day long bit the reality is that Perisic seems to be the guy Jose sees in his plans and he happens to be a very good player.
---------------De Gea-----------
------Smalling-Bailly-Lindelof----
Valencia--------------------Perisic
-----------Herrera-Pogba---------
----------------Mata---------------
--------Rashford--Lukaku---------
Wonder if Jose is planning something like this. Would be typical of him to try and get the 3-5-2 working for him after Van Gaal couldn't
------Smalling-Bailly-Lindelof----
Valencia--------------------Perisic
-----------Herrera-Pogba---------
----------------Mata---------------
--------Rashford--Lukaku---------
Wonder if Jose is planning something like this. Would be typical of him to try and get the 3-5-2 working for him after Van Gaal couldn't
He did make a point of saying that the 352 would only be used occasionally and that 4 at the back will remain his default formation.---------------De Gea-----------
------Smalling-Bailly-Lindelof----
Valencia--------------------Perisic
-----------Herrera-Pogba---------
----------------Mata---------------
--------Rashford--Lukaku---------
Wonder if Jose is planning something like this. Would be typical of him to try and get the 3-5-2 working for him after Van Gaal couldn't
Thats happened to every player bought by a premier club because of the wealth . 30% increase and when you are man utd and desperate to sign a player its 40%. He would probably go to a French club for example for under 30 million euros, if we wasn't in for him.
Oh really? Fair enough, hadn't seen that. I'd rather our wingers were further forward anyway.
@Jericholyte2 @ti vu I am not saying Liverpool, Arsenal or Spurs won anything but they've finished above us. And it's clear from watching them that they are much closer to winning the league than us. They are much more evolved in terms of how they play and have recruited better.
Also, the excuse that clubs try to rob us because we're rich is laughable. There are half a dozen clubs that can easily spend as much we do and they don't get fleeced.
I wouldn't read too much in to the EL win tbh. We came up against some midiocre teams and we were never convincing in any of the games, may be the final but by a stretch.
Also, the excuse that clubs try to rob us because we're rich is laughable. There are half a dozen clubs that can easily spend as much we do and they don't get fleeced.
I wouldn't read too much in to the EL win tbh. We came up against some midiocre teams and we were never convincing in any of the games, may be the final but by a stretch.
Well maybe if we didn't have to compete in that draining competition we would have finished above the other 3 mentioned.
Spurs ok you can see that but saying Liverpool or Arsenal are closer to winning a title than us is just wrong. Plus Jose has recruited very well to date for us LVG was the main culprit.
First off I dont know anything about Perisic, apart from youtube videos. What I do know is Mourinho is a serial trophy winner with every club he has managed. If the player is the player he wants, why dont all the haters on here at least wait until he has played a dozen games for us before criticising him? Examples: Fergie bought Valencia in and there was a lot of criticism about buying a Wigan player. VG was praised for bringing in Falcao and Di Maria. Lets just wait and see FFS. The transfer fee is irrelevant. They dont want to sell, and we are desperate to buy. We have the Premiership money premium to pay and the Utd premium to pay. Its part of being the richest, or one of the richest clubs in the world, get over it.
Well they did. They hired Jose. And missing out of CL two out of three Seasons is hardly Jose's fault. He's got us back in and won two trophies. I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of a doubt even if he is not infallible.
Seems like this is going to get done!
I am excited, he's a good player.
I am excited, he's a good player.
Me too. He is a very good player, going to surprise alot of people I think.
Finishing higher in the leage they did, but it took in other factors. One huge factor against is EL being an inconvient competition to play in. SAF when he had opportunity to really challenge for the title decided to ditch EL to avoid the inconvenience.
A single opposition in isolated context is not a problem. However, in context of other competitions schedule, playing on unplayable pitch, playing against tam well rested, losing key players to injuries... it didn't appear to be easy. Tottenham has been a regular participant but hasn't won it for a long time. They didn't just go out against favorite team, but unrated team too. If it's that easy I would have expected English pay more rspect to it given, it gives a trophy which may be a little too competitive to win one by their logic. ironically, seems like whenever we win something it's gotten downvote. Not long ago SAF team won PL title in a poor competition, but all the sudden it is too tough competitive when he retired.
Finishing 2nd and 3th doesn't always mean closer to win the league. Taking case by case, Tottenham whom being touted as best team on average of last couple years were not close to be a real title cjallenger in both seasons. Both champions mantained good point cushion for most part of the season. in the past, many seasons were only decided onlast match day. In 2011 was last few seconds of a game. Title is decided few games before final match day means challenge is not as strong.
A wnning eam doesn't project how much improvement from their last campaign. They focus on doing their best in the current season, one way or the other, assessng their priorities case by case. The close to win the league title often the argument among serial runner up team supporter. L'pool arguably were closeto win the same amount as PLa triumph SAF achieved. Doesn't mean any thing since a champion can make huge leap from lower position than the so called close to win teams. I was one of those who was here last summer saying Chelsea has every chance to best Tottenham despite the previous disastrous season, so I amnot talking with hindsight.
Could be a smart acquisition as discussed earlier in the transfer window when first linked, especially now with Lukaku. What it would mean however is that 1 or 2 of Rashford, Henrikh, Mata or Martial (Likely the latter) will see their minutes evaporate - a loan perhaps?
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I didn't say we were buying him to play leftback. I asked how you'd know we weren't going to play him there?
I'm not the one who's saying x, y and z player will or won't work. I'm open to seeing how players get on, makes the game more fun than just deciding prior to finding out. Perisic offers something unique to our squad, we don't have any real wingers in the 1st team squad. He works hard, is fast, creative, good in the air and appears to be exactly what Jose wants. As let's not forget the manager knows what he wants for his team, he knows the tactics and systems that'll be used. Some people seem to be very hung up on his age and fee. Team needs to kick on next season, another year of 6th place won't be good long term. So getting in experienced players who are a known quality for the manager is the right way to go about things.
He will be an excellent signing for us, a player that not only has pace but can cross a ball with distinction.
If you look at our other wide options including Valencia it is fair to say their final ball or crossing is weak to the point it can only be described as embarassing.
If you look at our other wide options including Valencia it is fair to say their final ball or crossing is weak to the point it can only be described as embarassing.
Very exciting signing. Proper winger that can cross, almost like the days of yore. Lukaku is going to thrive on his delivery.
I'm not against this signing at all but feck me, I can't get the least bit excited about his pending arrival. From what I've seen of him, he's an ok player who is capable of having some good games, but no more than that. I have no idea why this has been so protracted, either. I would have thought this would be a simple enough one to get over the line.
I do think his crossing could be a major asset for us though given the height we have in the team and having Lukaku up top.
I do think his crossing could be a major asset for us though given the height we have in the team and having Lukaku up top.
I got many friends who support serie a clubs. A big chunk of them are juve fans who just love ridiculing inter, their players etc. None of them said perisic is crap. Quite contrary, they think he is a top quality player whose only flaw is being slightly inconsistent.
And lets stop this wingers get an easier ride in the serie a. Its often a nightmare to cross a ball in a 3 men cb defense
And lets stop this wingers get an easier ride in the serie a. Its often a nightmare to cross a ball in a 3 men cb defense
Does it look like this is happening then?
Agree with other posters that I can't bring myself to be overly enthusiastic about this signing, but if Jose is really pushing for him then he must think he can be a great asset.
Some of the games I've seen him play he looks alright but nothing too brilliant. Seems to have a very good cross and pass on him though, and with Romelu up front and some serious height in the team it could indeed be a great asset.
I'm more interested in who we end up in the middle of the park in truth, I think that's a more problematic area for us.
Agree with other posters that I can't bring myself to be overly enthusiastic about this signing, but if Jose is really pushing for him then he must think he can be a great asset.
Some of the games I've seen him play he looks alright but nothing too brilliant. Seems to have a very good cross and pass on him though, and with Romelu up front and some serious height in the team it could indeed be a great asset.
I'm more interested in who we end up in the middle of the park in truth, I think that's a more problematic area for us.
That'll probably do this place some good. Nobody is expecting big things when he arrives so you can't shoot him down if he's not scoring/assisting every match.
I think we will sign him up BUT they will demand their pound of flesh. Milan bought too many players for inter to afford remaining idle. Darmian is probably the man they will get
I believe Darmian should stay one more season. He has been very reliable, especially towards the back end of last season. If he goes, then I can only assume that Jose believes Mitchell can fill the gap, which I would not be adverse to, as I love seeing our own youngsters play.
But going back to Perisic, he will be a good player for us, imo. We were all going extra crazy when we signed Milkhi last year...and some would say that he was underwhelming.
But going back to Perisic, he will be a good player for us, imo. We were all going extra crazy when we signed Milkhi last year...and some would say that he was underwhelming.
I think we need competition badly and to change mentality. And although he's not cheap, it does not mean he's going to be a starter. He will bring in something different for sure but if the others are up for it, it's going to be tough for everyone. So I am fine with such a situation. There are enough games imo
I trust Jose but this just seems like an unnecessary signing. A bit like signing Young from Villa. Good player who'll play well enough but this is not a signing that will take us to the next level. And the way some go on about, you'd be forgiven for thinking he was Beckham-esque with his crosses. His final ball is no better than some of the players we already have. Give Martial the same amount of playing time and he'll be just as productive if not more. Here's hoping he tuns out to be an inspired signing.
It might not be in our hands. Darmian might want to go back. Also inter want their pound of flesh
Im still hoping we have a plan b and this transfer wont go through.
Different horses for different courses too (is that the saying
)I think he'd be excellent in matches where we play the counter attack. Him, Rashford and Lukaku could be deadly on the counter.- Status