I really hope that we don't have to in an United shirt.
Ivan Perisic
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I really hope that we don't have to in an United shirt.
I think the reason we aren't going for someone as high profile as Sanchez is because we may have an agreement to take Griezmann at a later time. He's the player who "can play across all 3 attacking positions" that Jose wants. It's the only reason I can think of at this time. Perisic is going to hopefully be a good player for us and will add something different on the wing.
Why would that be?
Like I said I'm not going to defend him anymore. I have my opinion on him and I think he's a good player. Whatever happens now, happens.
The next best we have in a 'pure winger' role is Ashley Young, who is better off at full back position these days. So my feeling is Perisic, just by the nature of the player he is, should improve our 'squad'.
He's decent but what I've learnt from the past transfers is we should have a higher expectation when it comes to signings because it's harder to look good playing for United than playing for the likes of Inter. Unless the player is young and can be moulded (Bailly, Lindelof,...). I expect him to have a career similar to Morgan here if he does come. Happy to be proven wrong obviously.
I see where you're coming from but I think for the coming season Perisic may well be our best option unless someone like Dembele is available.
There is a reason "pure wingers" Young and Valencia are now FBs. Top clubs rarely have wingers just whip in crosses.
Hard working..direct..likes to a
run at the defender...can beat a marker...covers back and defends.
Sounds like a Jose player to me
Some people seem to be making fun of the gameplan of crosses into the target man just because Moyes abused it. Have we all forgotten than Fergie's game plan was always get it wide and get crosses in? It worked to perfection for so many years and I really hope we get Perisic in so that it gives us that particular dimension to our game again.
Then why not wait until someone better is available?In this window there is more money than talent going around and this potential signing epitomises it. He's a journeyman winger who failed in a strong Dortmund team, was forgettable at Wolfsburg and now at Inter while he has been serviceable didn't exactly pull up trees. His past season was the best of his career and even then other wingers from the same league like Insigne, Callejon, Balde Keita, Salah and others all out performed him and one of them has joined our rivals. I cannot believe that this is the best our scouts and Mourinho can come up with, and this signing along with Lukaku (who I think is great) shows that we could be seeing more negative, Pulis-esque football which isn't good enough. We have big ambitions but we are aiming our sights too low. If Liverpool or Arsenal or any of our other rivals were getting Perisic we'd all be laughing at them, but if he heads to us people just convince themselves he's good enough. He isn't as good as Mkhi or Martial yet we're still gonna go for him despite our attacking options being behind our rivals. We're desperate for match-winners and game changers and this is the height of our ambitions? it's a joke. In all, it's a very underwhelming prospect, a forgettable player, industrious but dull, and not the player who will take us to the next level.
None of the other wingers we have or that are being touted here fit into a 352 which I believe is gonna be joses first choice this season.
The likes of Sanchez etc would be a replacement for whoever is operating as a 10 or the second striker with lukaku so competing with martial/rashford IMO
It's not like FIFA where you buy up all best players, they have to suit the system. TEAM >> individuals
The likes of Sanchez etc would be a replacement for whoever is operating as a 10 or the second striker with lukaku so competing with martial/rashford IMO
It's not like FIFA where you buy up all best players, they have to suit the system. TEAM >> individuals
Cool, let's stop trying to challenge until someone better is available. How about we inform the EPL that we won't be participating this year as we do not have a shiny, over-rated, inexperienced young wing wizard to sign yet. Honestly, it's as if you think that a proven winner like Jose Mourinho, is completely clueless
not to mention the fact that 50m euros or whatever is pennies to us.So we should just make signings like this for the sake of signing someone?Cool, let's stop trying to challenge until someone better is available. How about we inform the EPL that we won't be participating this year as we do not have a shiny, over-rated, inexperienced young wing wizard to sign yet. Honestly, it's as if you think that a proven winner like Jose Mourinho, is completely clueless
170 pages. When will the deal be done ?
Cool, let's stop trying to challenge until someone better is available. How about we inform the EPL that we won't be participating this year as we do not have a shiny, over-rated, inexperienced young wing wizard to sign yet. Honestly, it's as if you think that a proven winner like Jose Mourinho, is completely clueless
I agree that there is a tendency to overrate young players. I for one am not keen on hipster signings like Dembele unless the manager sees something of value there. We don't want to sign another young prospect only for him to struggle like Martial, as we need immediate impact at the moment.
But simply sweeping away all criticism because "Jose knows best" doesn't work either. He may be a great manager, but he can make mistakes. Everything I have seen about Perisic screams average. Its' depressing to see the club so desperate for him.
The only reason we are buying him is because he is an actual winger who will stay wide unlike the other options we have, who can whip crosses in for Lukaku and also tracks back. None of these attributes are particularly extraordinary, its' the standard. So it would make sense if he was prolific goalscorer. But here again, despite getting 11 goals in Serie A, he has one of the worst conversion rates.
As far as money is concerned, its' a fact that Woodward buys what the manager wants. We did sign Depay and Schneiderlin too.
We could indeed do much better than that. If not Sanchez, someone else. That's the manager's job.
We go into the new season with just Perisic and Lukaku as our "game changers" while our rivals have the likes of Hazard, Mane, Aguero/Jesus/Sane, etc. And our midfield too will not have greatly improved. Certainly worrying.
It would be stupid to assume this signing is for the sake of getting someone. Mourinho wants a player of this style, and Perisic is the best option available, its as simple as that. Why would we just not sign anyone in the hopes that someone better says hey I wanna leave in like a years time?
So we have 1 goal scorer and 1 creative player now? Has Mata left? Is Rashford got worse over the summer? Is Martial going to disappoint again? Is Mikhi goin to be a flop this season!
Or are you just looking at the cows in other fields and deciding their grass is greener?
Chelsea will go into the season, minus their best striker, City still have 1 decent CB who won't feature a lot due to injury.
Your post is all doom and gloom, very unhelpful, like we should just get a pass on the season as we haven't bought the shiny new toys like our rivals?
I have big hopes for Mata, Martial and Mkhi which is why the Persic signing makes no sense. He would not be an improvement on any of them.
I think it has to be seen in the context of......
1. Perisic is 2nd option after Griezmann. Well they are vry diff but Jose priority is to get one #9 and one attacker, depending on the market
2. Best option available. Who else woud get you then? Neymar/Bale ?
3. Inflated market
4. "Proven". With Attack being our greatest weakness last season, we need to bring in "proven" player who can start hitting the ground. There is simply no time for developing another "potential" player when we have Martial/Rashford to develop. Age is a reflection of "proven" experience as well. When you bring in a "potential" player rather than "proven", it is relatively more risky. Jose simply want to minimize the risk, so that is his best bet. Well you could argue "only one season" of outperformance, sometimes that's the risk you have to take, in the context of other factors mentioned above.
All in all, it may not seem the best signing, I think its the best bet. Quite excited to see him playing for us. With him and Lukaku added to our 1st team, I expect plenty of pace up front.
4231/433
--------Lukaku--------
Martial----Mkhi-----Perisic
-------Lukaku-------
Perisic---------Mkhi
1. Perisic is 2nd option after Griezmann. Well they are vry diff but Jose priority is to get one #9 and one attacker, depending on the market
2. Best option available. Who else woud get you then? Neymar/Bale ?
3. Inflated market
4. "Proven". With Attack being our greatest weakness last season, we need to bring in "proven" player who can start hitting the ground. There is simply no time for developing another "potential" player when we have Martial/Rashford to develop. Age is a reflection of "proven" experience as well. When you bring in a "potential" player rather than "proven", it is relatively more risky. Jose simply want to minimize the risk, so that is his best bet. Well you could argue "only one season" of outperformance, sometimes that's the risk you have to take, in the context of other factors mentioned above.
All in all, it may not seem the best signing, I think its the best bet. Quite excited to see him playing for us. With him and Lukaku added to our 1st team, I expect plenty of pace up front.
4231/433
--------Lukaku--------
Martial----Mkhi-----Perisic
-------Lukaku-------
Perisic---------Mkhi
He fills a need that our manager wants filled and he's not going to hinder our ability to purchase any other, BETTER players.
Decent player that can play left or right wing, that will track back and play defense when we go up against stronger offensive teams like Liverpool and Chelsea. (neither of which play defense as well as United)
Hope he signs within the next 24 hours
Decent player that can play left or right wing, that will track back and play defense when we go up against stronger offensive teams like Liverpool and Chelsea. (neither of which play defense as well as United)
Hope he signs within the next 24 hours
Don't forget Pogba will get better too!
I expect him to start getting double figures in terms of goals.
He's a winger, possibly may be played as a wing back. So he'll interfere with Martial, Mata or Mikhi how exactly? Too many people worrying about individuals, rather than looking at the entire team. In so many games last season we had zero width aside Valencia. Jose is rightly looking at that issue.
Would you guys want him with a trade deal involving darmian? For me, I wouldn't want darmian to go as we don't have many natural full backs in the squad. I would rather see young to go, since he is pretty much like to like to perisic (both are naturally wingers) but that is not going to happen.
But they all try to play through the middle and Utd need a player that can hug the touchline especially to stretch teams at Old Trafford.
Its not rocket science why Mourinho is so interested in Perisic but most our fans have their doom glasses on so they will never understand the logic behind the purchase.
Mata is a 10 and not great out wide (or just drifts in constantly to play as a 10, but giving us no width. Miki can and probably will play on the right, but again is better through the middle. Martial can be good on the left but is best as a striker probably. Last season was shit though, so its up to him to force his way in. Either way, isnt a winger for sure.
Perisic is an actual winger unlike anyone else at the club, can play either wing or through the middle even, and is two footed which helps that. Plus he'll pitch in with goals too. Hes the type of player we've been missing for a while.
Who hugs the touchline for Real? Barca? Bayern? Why do we suddenly need a touchline winger? An attacking LB would fix the width issue.
That's true..
Which top team (in the PL) plays with direct traditional wingers? We should buy competent fullbacks to do the crossing and move on like every other team has. For 50. we can sign pretty much any LB we want.
How do you know he's not going to be utilised as a wingback? As for how teams play in other leagues, it has no relevance to the Premier League. Bayern have a few world class wingers, maybe you should have left them out when trying to prove a point no one needs wingers....
I'm almost certain that this deal is happening. The fact that no other players in a similar position (to my knowledge) has been linked to us means that Jose really wants this guy. The fact that Spalleti is trying really hard to keep him also says something. I haven't seen him play but I think he could be a good edition to the team.
He's not limited to just hugging the touch line. He can cut in and strike in on goal or go down the line and put in a cross. Very good aerially aswell.
Bayern also played with Costa and Coman playing as left and right wingers isn't it. Even at City Sane improved when he was moved to Left wing and Sterling to right. They don't have to hug the line all the time just like how Perisic doesn't hug the line all the time.
Exactly. Perisic is a completely different player to those 3. Those three don't fly down the wing and whip crosses. Look at Perisic's stats compared to them. He whipped in over 200 crosses last season and the others didn't reach past 50. When you have big strikers like Lukaku and Ibra... even Fellaini, you need someone like Perisic to cross it in.
Why shouldn't we? If we keep on underperforming and playing dull footy like we have been, guess what? we will not be the 'richest' club for long. The only reason we are rich is because we had a sustained success under SAF and our global appeal. The club has to stay appealing in order to attract sponsers/partners.
Pogba was 23 when he came over.
He is 28.
If they both player until 32, you get 4 year of Perisic vs 9 years of Pogba. Pogba was under 50 million multiplied by 9/4
You spinned thing to fit your narrative. Your initial point was Abramovic & his people were good intervening with Chelsea signings. At the moment it seems history is repeating itself for Conte after a successful season when the board is trying to intervene again. Time will tell.
Mourinho can make bad signing too, but for us so far it has been all hit. Why do we look at our record after SAF then blame all bad signings on Mourinho when his signings were good, so that we can prevent him to buy more of his players?
Why would we buy him for a completely different position.
And what has that got to do with Perisic? Was the sustained success under SAF due to buying shiny toys every window to satisfy muppets?
You said something along the lines of fans shouldn't care about transfer fees paid by the club?
And there's nothing wrong with wanting your club to get the best/better players especially for the money we're spending. Other clubs are spending less than half of what we fork out every summer and doing better than us.
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