Ivan Perisic

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Jim Beam said:
I'm really not offended. I was calling you out because you were making something as a fact, even made that "fact" laughable (Costa - Perisic comparison) when it's more a matter of opinion and most importantly what fits better to some managers style of play.

And here you go again with the same kind of humble assessment of players, clubs, etc. I would never call Inter third tier club, even now when they are in a difficult period. But to each his own, I guess.
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I'm so sorry that as a non-native speaker, my choice of words made on a goddamn selfphone somehow made you angry.
Third tier "team" it is then. That just doesn't really make a difference in German. They have failed to do anything significant since 2011 and are in turmoil regularly, so third tier is probably fair.
 
K2K said:
At least second tier.

We are comfortably above Inter. But far from where we should be.
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Don't agree with it but ok. I think we are very near to be fully functional and dangerous team again.

That's the reason why I like this transfer window as we're obviously going after the players who are right for the system, not a big game players for the sake of it. The quoted prices are crazy, that's for sure.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Not quite true, I do remember the odd Bayern fan here endorsing Van Gaal even before it became clear he was taking over, as he'd bring a no-nonsene attitute and structure to the team. (In more or less their own words)

The latter part you wrote is also interesting, as it's been said time and again on this forum that we've signed some bigger name players without a clear method for how to best make use of their talent (Di Maria, Pogba) as well as a squad of random players assembled by 3 different managers (Moyes, LvG, Mou).
And they argued what we actually need is stability and a functional team created in the mold of one manager...

Clearly Perisic is in the mold of wideman that what Mourinho sees as a vital cog for our left side to function, but we find this forum yet again unhappy because they view him as just a steady-eddy type and not a potential world class player/name?
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It does seem that the best defense for Perisic seems to be an appeal to authority rather than pointing out his strengths.

The guy has had a largely unimpressive career, certainly for the ridiculous figures being banded out.
 
K2K said:
It does seem that the best defense for Perisic seems to be an appeal to authority rather than pointing out his strengths.

The guy has had a largely unimpressive career, certainly for the ridiculous figures being banded out.
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It's been done maybe 10 times already. He is proper two footed player who offers width, very quick and his output is decent and better than what we have(or Costa's who is some mythical player everyone is praising).

Saying that we shouldn't spend so much money on Perisic, we shouldn't bend over to sign every single player.

Tbh our wing options wasn't that bad, it was on Jose and how he used them. Martial had superb season under Van Gaal, Mkhitaryan was superb for Dortmund. There is sort of trend, players we sign are under performing, so it's about time coaches use them properly instead of always signing new player.
 
fcbforever said:
I'm so sorry that as a non-native speaker, my choice of words made on a goddamn selfphone somehow made you angry.
Third tier "team" it is then. That just doesn't really make a difference in German. They have failed to do anything significant since 2011 and are in turmoil regularly, so third tier is probably fair.
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I'm not angry, you're getting upset. Just don't agree with your assessment on many things here including Inter as a third tier club/team/whatever... Your English has nothing to do with it.

They are in a bad period, that's it. They still have a striker which you can get if you pay his release clause or a world record fee. They refuse to sell even for big money. They have good players and a good window or two could immediately bring them among the top 2,3 clubs regularly in Italy.

I'll stop now as we're derailing the thread.
 
Jim Beam said:
Don't agree with it but ok. I think we are very near to be fully functional and dangerous team again.

That's the reason why I like this transfer window as we're obviously going after the players who are right for the system, not a big game players for the sake of it. The quoted prices are crazy, that's for sure.
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Thats what I liked about last Summer too.

But then we went for both players that fit the system and were of significant quality/verging on world class.
 
K2K said:
That actually makes it worse, because he failed to get good perfomances out of them.
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As I remember it, when Robben was fit he was devastating. Maybe I'm mis-remembering.
 
roonster09 said:
It's been done maybe 10 times already. He is proper two footed player who offers width, very quick and his output is decent and better than what we have(or Costa's who is some mythical player everyone is praising).

Saying that we shouldn't spend so much money on Perisic, we shouldn't bend over to sign every single player.

Tbh our wing options wasn't that bad, it was on Jose and how he used them. Martial had superb season under Van Gaal, Mkhitaryan was superb for Dortmund. There is sort of trend, players we sign are under performing, so it's about time coaches use them properly instead of always signing new player.
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Those are hardly ringing endorsements for him either.

He is wildy inconsistent having failed to impress at a number of clubs that he has been with the possibility that the same trend continues at United.

My main point isnt that their are no positives. Its that the positives hardly outweigh the negatives, such that his supporters then resort to the weak "But Jose wants him"
 
fcbforever said:
Rumour has it Inter gets Douglas Costa as a replacement. That would be an awesome deal for them, they get a better and younger player for less money than they are selling Perisic for.
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If he's that great why aren't you keeping him?
 
Jim Beam said:
I'm not angry, you're getting upset. Just don't agree with your assessment on many things here including Inter as a third tier club/team/whatever... Your English has nothing to do with it.

They are in a bad period, that's it. They still have a striker which you can get if you pay his release clause or a world record fee. They refuse to sell even for big money. They have good players and a good window or two could immediately bring them among the top 2,3 clubs regularly in Italy.

I'll stop now as we're derailing the thread.
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Upset? I couldn't care less. You just seem to be afraid of harsh statements. And Inter being anything but third tier would mean they are up there with United atm. A statement to which the both of us won't agree, or anyone else.
 
fcbforever said:
Because he wants to be a regular and we still have Robben, Ribéry, Coman and Müller?
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I can only laugh at your attempt to answer my question.

Robben - plays 10 games a season max
Ribery - dude is finished
Muller - that guy is not a winger and has been quite shit for a while
Coman - not really great and btw, who will he beat up next?

You offer 4 players and only one of them is really good and the rest are coming of a shit season, so how is it that Costa can't get game time if he's a decent player as you are saying but he can't get minutes competing with Ribery, Coman and Muller?

I'll tell you why. The guy has no brains. He's quick and that's all he is. You bought him of that one Shakhtar game which deceived Pep (considering his track record with signings it's was only expected) and now you want to get rid of him without making a loss on the transfer.
 
fcbforever said:
Upset? I couldn't care less. You just seem to be afraid of harsh statements. And Inter being anything but third tier would mean they are up there with United atm. A statement to which the both of us won't agree, or anyone else.
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I'm terrified, mortified, petrified, stupefied by them.
 
The reaction in this thread reminds of me when we signed Valencia.

Nobody really wanted him and wasn't that excited by the idea. If the guy can come in work hard, get plenty of assists and chip in with a few goals I will be happy.

We've needed a bit more speed and drive from the wings for a while, and somebody who can keep natural width has been a must for a while.
 
gaucho_10 said:
I can only laugh at your attempt to answer my question.

Robben - plays 10 games a season max
Ribery - dude is finished
Muller - that guy is not a winger and has been quite shit for a while
Coman - not really great and btw, who will he beat up next?

You offer 4 players and only one of them is really good and the rest are coming of a shit season, so how is it that Costa can't get game time if he's a decent player as you are saying but he can't get minutes competing with Ribery, Coman and Muller?

I'll tell you why. The guy has no brains. He's quick and that's all he is. You bought him of that one Shakhtar game which deceived Pep (considering his track record with signings it's was only expected) and now you want to get rid of him without making a loss on the transfer.
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For such a loudmouth, you are pretty clueless. Müller had his first "bad" season ever (although he recovered in the second half), Robben and Ribéry both played 20+ games in the league with Ribéry getting 16 scorer points. What Coman did or not did is irrelevant.
 
Brwned said:
I think most people just have the humility to acknowledge that they don't have extensive knowledge of players at midtable clubs, in 2nd tier leagues, outside their own country. The people who suggest they do are a bit weird. The people who do have that extensive knowledge and expertise to go with it are the people at United who obviously think he's worth looking at.
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Clubs make a plethora of poor signings season after season despite having these so called 'expertise' and 'extensive knowledge'.
 
This whole topic about Perisic strikes me as rather odd as I don´t see something that Perisic really adds to United´s offensive. Perisic is a decent wide player with fairly good end product, a good addition for squad depth but for the reported fee vastly overpriced.

I would not rate any typcial qualities for a wide player in Perisic higher than decent, except his shooting which I view as good. He is not a poor player by any means as he does not really fall off in any category either, but what I found curious is, that he is often described as hard working and team orientated player in this thread.

Unless he turned over a complete new leaf at Inter and hid that damn well from me in the around dozen games I have seen him in the last two years, these attributes are certianly not what I would describe Perisic with. He has always been a rather individualistic player (although I would not go as far and call it egotistical), which cut his stint at the strongest team he played for until now rather short as he was unwilling to offer the necessary defensive contribution his coach demanded from him.

Granted, he comes off his best season in five years and scored well in the Serie A, but I really dont see him solving any problems Mourniho´s United showed the last season.
 
fcbforever said:
For such a loudmouth, you are pretty clueless. Müller had his first "bad" season ever (although he recovered in the second half), Robben and Ribéry both played 20+ games in the league with Ribéry getting 16 scorer points. What Coman did or not did is irrelevant.
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If you fail to sign Sanchez you'll be up shit creek with wingers as well considering the slim pickings out there. Robben and Ribery needs replacing soon.
 
fcbforever said:
For such a loudmouth, you are pretty clueless. Müller had his first "bad" season ever (although he recovered in the second half), Robben and Ribéry both played 20+ games in the league with Ribéry getting 16 scorer points. What Coman did or not did is irrelevant.
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I've seen enough to know that what you're writing doesn't add up. All your wingers except for Robben didn't deliver this season and Costa still couldn't get minutes.
 
gaucho_10 said:
I've seen enough to know that what you're writing doesn't add up. All your wingers except for Robben didn't deliver this season and Costa still couldn't get minutes.
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Yeah, if 5 goals and 12 assists in 22 games isn't "delivering" for you, your statement might be correct.

SwansonsTache said:
If you fail to sign Sanchez you'll be up shit creek with wingers as well considering the slim pickings out there. Robben and Ribery needs replacing soon.
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True, BUT:
We can wait another season, for someone like Carrasco for example. Or we buy another striker and establish a diamond, which seems to be an option.
 
fcbforever said:
Yeah, if 5 goals and 12 assists in 22 games isn't "delivering" for you, your statement might be correct.
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So 17 G+A in 2265 mins is delivering (in a well oiled machine like team) - 133 mins per G+A

but (these are in disjointed team except last one which was at Dortmund)
13 G+A in 2409 mins -185 mins per G+A
9 G+A in 1736 mins -193 mins per G+A
14 G+A in 2214 mins -158 mins per G+A
10 G+A in 992 mins -99 mins per G+A

is a flop.

Gotcha.
 
roonster09 said:
So 17 G+A in 2265 mins is delivering (in a well oiled machine like team) - 133 mins per G+A

but (these are in disjointed team except last one which was at Dortmund)
13 G+A in 2409 mins -185 mins per G+A
9 G+A in 1736 mins -193 mins per G+A
14 G+A in 2214 mins -158 mins per G+A
10 G+A in 992 mins -99 mins per G+A

is a flop.

Gotcha.
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Because output is everything, obviously. Hell you are desperate. Also, apart from that 992 min Season (where, when?) he's beating your little pet quite comfortably even at age 34.
 
fcbforever said:
Because output is everything, obviously. Hell you are desperate. Also, apart from that 992 min Season (where, when?) he's beating your little pet quite comfortably even at age 34.
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Muller is 34? :wenger:

So 133 mins per G+A is good season but 185 mins is flop :lol:

992 mins season was at Dortmund, I used stats because you used stats in reply to Madrid fan.

Re bold part, get a grip. Shit posting getting even worse.
 
roonster09 said:
It's been done maybe 10 times already. He is proper two footed player who offers width, very quick and his output is decent and better than what we have(or Costa's who is some mythical player everyone is praising).

Saying that we shouldn't spend so much money on Perisic, we shouldn't bend over to sign every single player.

Tbh our wing options wasn't that bad, it was on Jose and how he used them. Martial had superb season under Van Gaal, Mkhitaryan was superb for Dortmund. There is sort of trend, players we sign are under performing, so it's about time coaches use them properly instead of always signing new player.
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kind of agree to some extent. People often point to intangibles like "2nd year syndrome or adjustment to the league", when in fact they are not a matter of fact. More tactical reasons could be effecting our wide players since none of them had a remotely decent season in our league campaign. I do feel we have decent players out there. Certainly no worse than City's.
 
Stacks said:
kind of agree to some extent. People often point to intangibles like "2nd year syndrome or adjustment to the league", when in fact they are not a matter of fact. More tactical reasons could be effecting our wide players since none of them had a remotely decent season in our league campaign. I do feel we have decent players out there. Certainly no worse than City's.
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Yeah one of the reason why I dont mind if we dont buy Wingers. As much as players even Jose should improve next season.
 
roonster09 said:
Muller is 34? :wenger:

So 133 mins per G+A is good season but 185 mins is flop :lol:

992 mins season was at Dortmund, I used stats because you used stats in reply to Madrid fan.

Re bold part, get a grip. Shit posting getting even worse.
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That was Ribery I was talking about, but nevermind. If you don't ever bother reading, don't bother replying.
 
fcbforever said:
Yeah, if 5 goals and 12 assists in 22 games isn't "delivering" for you, your statement might be correct.
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Delivering is a relative term and Costa plays for Bayern in a one horse league. What I know is that the other wingers (except for Robben) didn't have a good season and he couldn't get minutes in the games that matter. If he wasn't good enough to get minutes even when the first options are playing bad, then nothing else needs to be said.
 
GrandJury said:
Add another 50 million and sign Bale.
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Dream signing *sighs* Would certainly eliminate the issue of our left hand side anyway, but looks as remote as signing Perisic this moment in time. Could see something mad happening with Madrid in August if they sign Mbappe somehow.
 
fcbforever said:
That was Ribery I was talking about, but nevermind. If you don't ever bother reading, don't bother replying.
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Ribery had 5 goals and 11 assists, Muller had 5 goals and 12 assists, so yeah better start posting properly. It's not even about whether it's Ribery or Muller, its your blatantly contradicting posts.
 
fcbforever said:
It's not even my point really, I don't think United should go for him either. But some people here are desperate in somehow justifying a Perisic transfer.
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This is typical on here, people project greatness onto everyone we sign even if like Perisic they are pretty average. If Liverpool or Chelsea were signing him there would be threads taking the piss out of them, but everyone is desperate and convincing themselves he's what we need and get very defensive when people offer an opposing opinion.
 
It's got the Fellaini deal written all over it hasn't it? Could have had for x, pay y.
 
If Mourinho is desperate for this guy, can he pay the fee that Inter are asking? Seriously, we should have moved on by now. I refuse to believe our scouts have been doing feck all. I wonder if Mourinho consulted them properly, or he just made up his mind that he knows better?

The club looks like fecking idiots that Inter are taking to the cleaners, for an average to good player.
Need a bloody DOF in.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
It's got the Fellaini deal written all over it hasn't it? Could have had for x, pay y.
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Inter's price hasn't changed. We just hoped we could get him for cheaper because of Inter's FFP issue. Inter didn't blink and sorted themselves out through other sales so we'll have to pay their asking price.

The chance to get him cheaper was never there.
 
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