Well the price is unacceptable and we should move on from those extortionists. Its not like he is the best LW on the market either.
Ivan Perisic
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What's contradicting?
Please tell me were I have ever said that 133 minutes per scorer is a good season (well it is, but that's not the point) while 185 is shit. I haven't. It's something you brought up and it's something even still showing a huge gap in output. But output was actually never Perisic' problem. It's probably one of the few strenght on an otherwise bang average player, as others have also pointed out already.Funnily enough, he played in all but 3 league matches he wasn't injured. And he was injured quite a lot last season. And no, I'm not saying he had a good season. All I ever said was that he is preferable to the older Perisic and also cheaper.
The turd that won't flush away. This guy is nowhere worth being strung along all summer by Inter Milan of all clubs ffs
Indeed, it must be one of the dumbest reasons I've ever heard to explain why a player would be quality.
£48million? For Perisic?
Walk away, now. Enough is enough, that's daylight robbery. Jose can target someone else, maybe an exciting youngster, and earn his keep by trying to play Martial into form at the beginning of the season.
Walk away, now. Enough is enough, that's daylight robbery. Jose can target someone else, maybe an exciting youngster, and earn his keep by trying to play Martial into form at the beginning of the season.
Hearing we might offer €50m
Hearing where?
Then the Glazers need to step in and lay down the law to Jose and Woodward because its no longer clear if they are working for United anymore or they have a kickback deal in place with Inter. Outrageous if thats true.
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Jesus Christ I'm sick of this phrase. When will people stop using it.
Enough already. We trust Jose or we don't. If he reckons he's essential then get him. If he works out, we all forget about the 10 mill we over payed by. If not, José rightly gets a kicking for it. This is the shit we're paying him the big bucks for.
Think we get why Mourinho does not last more than 3 years, perisic case is the perfect example. He demands players of this price, the age is a joke, and the club feel this is no investment, he has a hissy fit all summer it becomes passive aggressive behavior throughout the season towards the clubs owners, and he gets the sack in the end. The typical revolving cycle of Jose Mourinho's club manager career's
a manager like Fergie with a long term plan would not sanction this deal in any way
you don't mind paying well over the odds for special talents - the 89 million for Pogba will look like peanuts in 5/6 years
a player at this age iw wholly different though
you don't mind paying well over the odds for special talents - the 89 million for Pogba will look like peanuts in 5/6 years
a player at this age iw wholly different though
In the meanwhile, he wins some league titles and a few Champions Leagues in the process, slams Guardiola best team of all time… Better keep the Moyes/van Gaal cycle.
Imagine him managing a real madrid, or a bayern, and he said I want a 28 year old winger with a track record that is pretty much underwhelming for 50 million, the marketing of the player? not much there, they be saying there is the back door don't let it hit you on the way out
Perisic is probably just what Mou needs for three years. Mosy likely, Mourinho will not be here for more than tree years. Why would he then care if he costs €20 or €40 mill?
A very expensive one at ~€50m. At the end of the day, Inter have investors and are not that desperate for the money, I think. So why should they budge.
People took the piss out of Liverpool for signing Mane and Chelsea for signing Marcos Alonso yet they both turned out to be pretty decent signings...
The only thing worse than projecting greatness onto players is completely writing them off because they aren't a big name. Lots of players who seem average are actually quietly very good players and because 99% of us barely watch football outside our own league none of us really know how good these players are
They won't. The phrase itself is just like a turd that won't ... oh wait.
He wouldn't. That's why you have higher placed people like Woodward who needs to think long-term and have the strength to tell Mourinho that his no. 1 target cannot be purchased at a viable price.
Remember Mourinho wanting to sign rooney badly for a bucket load of cash, united refused to sell he signed a new contract, and that backfired on us and Mourinho dodged that bullet, so already he was wrong trying to buy that player and he had already peaked at that point
Its funny..Serie A journos like Amoyal think Perisic is value for money but sure its only his job to watch Italian football all the time.
You have to take into consideration that both players were not even at their peaks when they moved and had a degree of PL experience, so any stick they got was just out of sheer rivalry as there was room for improvement. Perisic is hardly going to improve and if he is at his peak and there isn't any reason to suggest that there isn't room for improvement, giving that he has been plying his trade in lesser leagues without exactly setting them on fire.
I would not be surprised if Ed is not interested in such a deal. He has a job to do and I reckon José would have been informed that the club are not big on funding players that have little resale value or potential.
Which is why the club should not allow him to do as he pleases. Once he's left, we're stuck with an overaged player (or two) whom we can't off load for any kind of money, and who's perhaps on huge ridiculous wages. We don't have a bottom less pit of money to spend recklessly.
A younger, more dynamic talent is worth paying over the odds for, but not someone whose been mostly underwhelming in his career so far and getting nearer to 30 - it's not just bad business, it's common sense.
his opinion is of lesser value when compared to the emperical evidence that no top club has ever deemed him as valuable. There is nothing in his past to suggest he is worth even 30m at his age
Exactly! I was thinking about this the other day. Mourinho like every human being, does get things wrong sometimes.
Well, most English pundits think all English players are great. And if he's a "complete" winger, a more effective club at transfers would have snapped him up a while ago.
I'm sure Mourinho and Ed have had words. I'm sure Ed would have told Mourinho a rough pot of gold he has for the 3 years in charge. For instance, "Jose, in the next 3 years, we have a budget of £600m. Now, for each window the minimum you will have is £70m (£210m over 3 years). So, it's up to you how you spend the remaining £390m over the 3 years. You can spend it all at once. You can even it out over the 3 years, et etc..." said Ed Woodward.
Basically, if Jose wants him that bad, he can habe him but no doubt it will eat away from his pot of gold.
Basically, if Jose wants him that bad, he can habe him but no doubt it will eat away from his pot of gold.
The less that guy thinks about football the better.
I'am sorry he is a fine businessman but he doesn't know shit about football and if he hires a professional like Mourinho and pays him a shitload of money to manage that side of things, than let him manage that side. If he wants Perisic, he has his reasons. It is not like Woodward's brilliant ideas about who to hire and on who to spend money have actually set a stage for building long term. We are on our 3th manager in 4 seasons and spending half a billion on transfer fees latter we have very little to show for it except Mourinho and his ideas about how to take the club forward. So if Mourinho wants Perisic than you get him and if it costs you €50m than so be it.
Woodward has the list of players Mourinho wanted for months, so far only Lindelöf has been signed. The least important one on the list no doubt. We will go into pre season and nothing has been done for transfers. Woodward is a fecking clown. Just listen to your football manager and buy the players he asks for...
Rumours were Chelsea were after him. Maybe like Mikhi last year, maybe he is determined to go to only one club...hence no other real teams linked with him. Same as AG, we were the only team linked with him. Is he not a "complete" player?
Have to feel petty for the guy, he's getting all this hate here even before signing a single contract for us.
Basically he needs to put Messi-esque performance to convince anyone now.
Basically he needs to put Messi-esque performance to convince anyone now.
Nobody hates him, I certainly don't. I also don't mind him coming - but - not at the price quoted. A reasonable fee means less financial risk for us, plus not looking like mugs in the transfer market, especially when it comes to doing future deals.
Indykalia...
Only joking, it's on twitter but nothing from a reputable source (yet).
I might be wrong and happy to be corrected but didn't Woodward say last summer that the club are prioritizing player with potential at ~25 years or less? This may have been communicated to Mourinho in his interview and if that is the case, should he not work around that perimeter as close as possible? I know that there were exceptions with Zlatan and Bastian but those two were fairly marketable and came in for peanuts.
Did you see us paying that price for him ? People are complaining about the price as if we already bought him and paid 50m for him.
When we pay such a price, we can complain, otherwise, Ed is trying to get him at a much lesser price so what's the problem ?!
Mourinho would care a lot about that, knowing he'll be shown the door if he doesn't provide the Premier or the Champions League in three years.
I thought we were discussing why we shouldn't pay that fee in light of Inter's current stance? We're only saying why we shouldn't, and if we ended up caving in, then we'd be pretty dumb.
I was not implying that Woodward is doing his job particularly well, and I would absolutely prefer someone with more football knowledge in the role. But I do think the bolded part is a quite naive view. Surely there should be someone at the club thinking ahead and debating whether it would be a good idea to fork out 50 million on a 28-year-old winger who might soon lose his pace and who, whether you rate him or not, is hardly of the highest bracket.
Well, if my hypothesis is true, that would have been part of the job description. I just find it weird that it seems like there is no other option to Perisic. If José is putting all his eggs in this one basket, it's all on him. Let's see what happens, could be a very long summer yet.
We shouldn't, and we wouldn't. If we were willing to pay the full price the deal would have been done one month ago.
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