I can't believe he only provided one option for that position. Willian and Lucas Moura were already talked about, I'm sure there are one or other more. Maybe Woodward thinks this is the cheaper option. And Mourinho could certainly provide more in the meantime, I suppose he's back to work.
Ivan Perisic
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I'am not saying €50m for Perisic is brilliant business but signing nobody at all or singing a player your current manager doesn't need seems to be even poorer business.
But do you think it would be unreasonable for Woody to tell Mourinho: 'I'm sorry but we were not able to get your man at a price that makes sense for us considering his age and abilities. Give me another name'?
A lot of that seemed to happen at his second Chelsea spell, even in his first.
The key phrase being 'current manager', both Woodward and the player will likely survive Mourinho like Rooney and Woodward survived Moyes and guess who was left bearing the weight of Moyes and his ridiculous decision? It was Woodward and same will happen in this case. We will be left with an over the heal player on huge wages that nobody wants.
I bet Chelsea wish they hadn't given Jose the carte blanche to hound out the young talent they had painstakingly hoarded like KDB and Lukaku who they are about to pay a huge fee for.
I'd really love it if we were in for Moura, younger and a superior player that I doubt will cost more than what Inter want, seeing as Roma are interested and I do not see how professor Monchi will fork out a crazy fee.
Yeah I guess the guy is clueless. He just watches a lot of Italian football but his opinion is of lesser value unfortunately.
Yeah, I like that thinking. Clearly, we're going through a rebuilding period and have to try and balance short-term and long-term success. With Zlatan and probably Rooney leaving we have big wage positions to fill.
I doubt we'll sign many players per-window after this one, so we do need to front-load our purchases until we get closer to where we want to be.
I think it's well over the odds but I think Jose is entitled to bring in who he wants this window, on the understanding there's a finite budget going forward.
Same applies to Morata. Get these done then look for value/development options to supplement a winning squad. Building from a position of weakness is always going to be more difficult and expensive.
What Inter and Dortmund arent effective clubs? Maybe Inter dont want him to leave
What if top clubs didnt need him? Are Intet and BvB not big enough clubs?
I really admire your patience and calm nature. You're talking to the wall.
He watches games just like many fans do and I am sure there are many fans who have watched and followed Inter more than him. That does not make his opinion any more valid. Watching more games does not necessarily make him a better judge of player quality and there is no evidence in support that he is
Compare to that are the management, coaching and/or scouting teams at different clubs who actually have the job of making such judgement calls and whose career success (or failures) are predicated on the accuracy of such measures.
I am sorry but I will take the opinion of those guys who make the decisions that matter over some rumor peddler with no skin in the game.
He flopped at BVB and was sold to Wolfsburg (a lesser club) after failing to secure regular minutes.
Serie A is not what it used to be and Inter is no longer a top club. Since Mourinho left, Inter have finished 2nd, 6th 9th 5th 8th 4th and 7th, qualifying for CL only once and failing to qualify for Europe 3x. They have not won anything in the last 6 seasons.
Perisic has been playing in Bundesliga+Serie A for the past 6 season and he has never set any league alight but now that he is on the other side of 28yrs, he his suddenly a great player worth 50m? Thats simply BS.
It is bad enough that a team currently lacking quality is interested in an average player, but it would really be lunacy if we pay anything close to the rumored numbers for him.
Let's not forget mourinho was obsessed trying to sign Rooney in summer 2013, and it seems mourinho dodged a bullet with that signing. So it's not the first time he's after a player almost peaked it may not have worked out for crazy money
If i'm right about mourinho's plans for next season, then honestly perisic makes sense, even at €50M. A wide midfield player who can be relied upon to chip in with 8-10 goals? Not many around in this market
Option B, is to spend a lot more for a star forward/striker(AND a LB)...again, how many of those in the market?
Option B, is to spend a lot more for a star forward/striker(AND a LB)...again, how many of those in the market?
Mkhitaryan was world class at Dortmund but flopped at United. Perisic flopped at Dortmund but...
Tbh I have been talking to few walls here who repeats the same shit every 2 days, like how he isn't good because he isn't playing for top club or how he was a bad boy when he played in Bundesliga.
Too early to tell he flopped. If he only manages a similar season again (when he's the 2nd best goalscorer, equal to Rashford), then you can say he kind of flopped.
I can see some use for Perisic in the team, but not at almost 50 mil. Also, what happens if he gets Miki, Martial, Shaw, Bastian, Smalling treatment from Jose? Would he go on on Croatian TV again and complain about the coach, who picks his favorite players?
So people say that there is a need for a traditional winger, who does not cut inside. Well, then how come he scores or makes an assist at every 400+ minute? Not placing his shots well? The crosses are not accurate? Mind you that EPL defensive structure is more physical than in Italy or Bundesliga.
Sign Lukaku and Morata and pack this one in. That would suit me. Morata can play left if needed and we still have Martial and Rashford.
How did. Miki flopp?
I do agree that price is expensive & hoped for getting at lower price. I don't think Micky got bad treatment. Just not adapted fast enough early in the season. As season went on, Mourinho trusted him in important games. Bastian was past it. The harsh treatment was some sort of misunderstand due to prior season. Martial didn't perform consistently well. He didn't really get called out that much beside the agent incident. Shaw & Smalling were the main suspect, but Smalling again being trusted & given many minutes.
Every transfer is a gamble. Even higher, better talent player may turn out to have incompatible mentality to what Mourinho likes. Mourinho seem to seek to understand Perisic better with how he travelled to watch Croatia team few months, which probably to meet the player personally.
The point with winger is their sole purpose is to stretch play, occupy marker (often to be full back, letting other to drift in to that pocket of space nearer to goal = better shooting angle. I may not be entire accurate here, but I remembered Giggs never reach 20 goals a season. Yes he had season 1 season near 20 goal marks, but only like 4 seasons with double digits in goals. Not taking away from Giggs as injury did take some away from him in some other seasons, but scoring goal is secondary to Giggs' role as winger. Also remember that in England we have another competition to compete which prior to mid 2000s, SAF respected more to add more trophies into his record. Giggs' CL record ain't impressive while looking up the PL only stats, it's about right for a great winger. Perisic as I said is not elite, but very good, & he's hitting his peak. I also said he's used to be a poor man Robben earlier in his season trying to cut in, but lack quality to pull it off. The past 3 years or so he changed his game & seems work with him. He's more winger & it suits his game. His stats has been improving. As other poster has said, you need to take in Croatia's qualifying games to see that he's raking stats recently too. Those stats often being left out by those stats site.
Let's look at a player in different position: NZonzi. Was only above average in PL, but made a step up once moving into a right environment. Now I rate him as good enough for big sides (Juventus is rumored to chase after him & IMO he can be that no 6 in our midfield). Some players don't have a long career at high level, they just finally get there at certain period in their career.
Morata wouldn't want to come if he's being shoehorned in a position other than no 9 to get the best out of the other guy.
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True. One of the reasons I don't get in here so often.The thread has gone to the dogs.
I'm hoping the Morata/Lukaku thing happens again here. If Madrid and Inter insist on unreasonable fees for their players then take our money somewhere else.
Hopefully he is a smokescreen for someone else too.
Someone said he's direct and good at crossing, so I can see why Jose thinks he and Lukaku could work
Downing+Carroll #2?
Nothing will stop us!
Liked Pogba's IG post with Lukaku.
Looks like Perisic might join soon too. Using Lukaku's transfer to distract the media while we finish Perisic as well
Smokescreens everywhere!
Smokescreens everywhere!
We're assembling a team of cnuts.
He is direct because he isn't technically that good to do the intricate passing stuff and good at crossing means he puts in a lot of crosses not that that most of the crosses find the expected target.
I couldn't care less anymore. Just get it done. Whoever we get I'm fine, completely have faith in Jose. It's not like we are running out of young players anyway if Perisic joins us.
Agreed. If Mourinho wants him then I hope we get it done asap. With preseason about to begin I'm more interested in the football than worrying about finances.
Doesn't matter at all because we have Mkhi/Mata/Pogba/Martial for the technical beats. A quick and direct player like that is ideal for Jose on the counter and we now have a brute at the end of such moves.
Lukaku is very poor in the air, what he will need is pinpoint low crosses or good through balls to run on to and score, perisic is not capable of consistently delivering either or those.
The Metro have actually wrote an entire article about Perisic liking that Instagram post - not realising it's a fake account.
EDIT: Oh wait - it actually IS his account!
EDIT: Oh wait - it actually IS his account!
Actually he's quite good at delivering those, better than high crosses in fact
But make no mistake, Mou isn't interested in his ability to cross or play wide as much as in his ability to contribute 10-15 goals a season while functioning as a midfielder
He isn't consistent enough for me, also he has hit double digits in league only thrice in his whole career and one of that season was while playing for FC Brugge, i really don't think he will be scoring anywhere near 10 goals in a season for us.
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