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Ivan Perisic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
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Rumour has it Inter gets Douglas Costa as a replacement. That would be an awesome deal for them, they get a better and younger player for less money than they are selling Perisic for.
Other rumours are Di Maria, James Rodriguez, and Bernardeschi. They're all better than Perisic.
But not the player the manager wants seemingly. That's the important bit.
I am focusing on his national performances because they best indicate his level since 2014 where he kicked on as a player. He himself said he didn't work hard enough before his move to Wolfsburg. We can all sit there and say qualifiers and the group stages are duds but the fact remains that everyone has to play in these and he is one of the better performers whilst having a good strike rate despite apparantly being a 'defensive' winger. He's done it at two international finals in a row. This argument im putting forward would be less compelling if he had, had one good tournament in 2014 and nothing else. It's not a fluke that he looks a top player in a good Croatia side. Despite the names you pulled out he still played against teams such as Brazil, Spain and Mexico in the finals. Like I said, Inter are an unstable team, not very good either. He still pulled out decent stats.
Salah is more adaptable? Mourinho signed and binned him because he wasn't going to fit in at Chelsea. People suggesting we were better off going for Salah when Mourinho knows him as a player is even more bonkers. It's a fact that Roma were the better side last year and set up in a way to favour Salah's style of play making use of his pace. The goal/assists comparison deserves some context.
I think I've run out of replies for now so I'll have to reply to any comments tomorrow.
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Yeah managers are infallible beings, we are basically upgrading Inter's wings leaving them with change.
No, he's more like a mule.
I wouldn't be shocked if we are seen placing 80m bids for him in a couple of summers whilst having funded his purchase by buying an older and inferior player.
This. Can only imagine it's stylistic/tactical choice when choosing over the others.
You're consistent with your posts, I'll give you that.
They get younger player but not better.
I would be shocked if anyone pays they much money for a winger whose best season is scoring 6 league goals.
Mourinho obviously wants his ilk for width, which we sorely lacked last season and the fact he puts in a shift (Martial provided neither last season) , and posters in here are banging on about how we should go for James Rodriguez instead.
Why are we not signing Douglas Costa, surely he is at least worth the €50M that Bayern want?
Willian was a good buy and I'm sure Chelsea fans will tell you that. He's certainly not world class but his contribution was in line with what he cost. In terms of the successful wingers under Mourinho you have...
- Robben
- Duff
- Cole
- Malouda
- Kalou
- Mancini
- Di María
- Callejon
- Schurrle
- Willian
- Pedro
So the thing that jumps out to me is none of them were great buys but most of them were good enough. Perisic seems perfectly in line with that. The other way of reading that is Mourinho doesn't have much interest in superstar wingers or wide forwards, in terms of who he buys or the importance they have within the team. Instead he wants them there to add some creativity, some goal threat and some balance. It's not exciting and it's not in line with United traditions but Mourinho has been successful at building teams everywhere he's been and this is exactly in line with his usual strategy.
Within that context it makes sense why he doesn't much like Martial and to an extent why Mkhitaryan hasn't flourished. They have to take personal responsibility for that too but it's very clear that it's difficult to really excel as an attacking wide player under Mourinho. Even the successes struggled for long periods under Mourinho. Perhaps the only one that doesn't apply to is Robben?
I'm not a Perisic fan at all from what I've saw, but like most of us here I've seen nowhere near enough to make a remotely useful judgment. The fact that Inter seem so determined to keep him is the biggest indicator to me that he probably is quite good and that he's really stepped up in the last year or two.
Of course. It just seems strange we're all in for Perisic with no shred of links to anybody else.
No he's not, there's a good reason Bayern want rid.
I've seen both play quite regularly and I'm rather sure who's better regardless of age. Hint: it's not Perisic.
I watched Perisic at inter and few games of Costa, so yeah it's not Costa for sure.
He is. But he demands a role we will never give him and we are aiming for the absolute top class as a replacement for Ribery and Robben. Basically, we are searching for someone like Griezmann or Sanchez. That doesn't mean Costa is a bad player or inferior to Perisic, in fact, he's neither.
So you are admitting my knowledge of those players is superior. Thanks. Also, I doubt you have seen more than a few games of Perisic at Inter. Also I very much doubt you have seen anything but highlights.
As Snoop Dog would say, drop him like it's hot. Better and cheaper alternatives available. Inter are ridiculous for rejecting that bid.
I like Fellaini( I believe he has his uses), but this is exactly how I feel about this.
This is a bang average player that I have watched before Jose was even our manager, so my view on him is not skewed by Jose's need for him. Paying 50 million for this guy is utter madness.
But we will end up paying it, and then struggling to get rid of him in a few years.
Your judgement is based on how he did in Germany which counts for feck all. Inter is the team I follow in Serie A, so yes you can doubt so you want that doesn't make you right or your knowledge superior. If anything it's outdated
We seriously can't use that to judge him. Inter are only holding out for more money because United are involved and they know that we've shown our hands to be desperate. As soon as the Perisic link was made, the AdM, James links picked up to. They already have replacements, who are better too. They finished 7th in a weaker Serie A, I doubt that any one player is that irreplaceable
Well it helps when you have a world class striker in Drogba, Costa, Benzema, Ronaldo to lead the line. Morata may turn out to be that but he isn't that just yet, if we do but him.
Because of one year, at age 28, in Serie A. Aaaaalright. Yeah. And to be honest, he did alright last season, but he did not set the world on fire.
Is this some kind of stockholm syndrom some people here have?
I think most people just have the humility to acknowledge that they don't have extensive knowledge of players at midtable clubs, in 2nd tier leagues, outside their own country. The people who suggest they do are a bit weird. The people who do have that extensive knowledge and expertise to go with it are the people at United who obviously think he's worth looking at.
The only great season he had, was at Club Brugge many years ago... He's been decent to pretty average since, if Liverpool would be signing him I wouldn't be one bit worried I'll put it that way. If someone like Mhikitaryan played for Inter he would be their superstar, he is twice the player Perisic is. Mourinho has signed a few average wingers in the past, I'm afraid he's about to do it again but this time for ridiculous money.
They know United have money?
I don't want to be offensive, but going of current years, that's not necessarily a sign of quality.
They have money and are desperate. Also, Inter knows that United likely can't go for the class of players above Perisic, so why wouldn't you rob some money for this one.
This feels like back in the day with Van Gaal again, when I told everyone that Van Gaal would end in a catastrophe and everyone was somehow spinning him to be the ideal manager.
Yeah and Douglas Costa who at the age of 26 never scored more than 6 league goals is better, especially when he played in Ukraine league for 6 years. He played for 2 power house of a clubs in their own league and his best goal scoring seasons is just 6 goals, yeah he is better.
Apart from the purple patch he had when Pep was manager, he was just average.
Yeah but Costa is better because Perisic was an ass when he was at Dortmund or because some Bayern fan has some extensive knowledge on a player he probably didn't even watch in last 2 years.
I agree with what you are saying but Inter is not just any midtable club. They were superb club with many amazing players, so it's not weird that few follow them because of players like Zanetti used to play for them.
There are many people who rate Perisic above Costa and also the other way around. Costa can look like a world beater in one game and totally opposite the next one. Perisic sure looks more like a team player and while his decision making and consistency can be a problem, Costa is even worse in terms of consistency despite all his flashy things he does now and then. Also, Perisic looks more suited to the way Mourinho wants to play.
In short, get off your high horse because it's not so clear-cut case as you suggest.
Oh, really? The transfer ban for Atletico is the only thing that stopped us getting Griezman who you covet so much, and you can bet that will be revisited next summer.
Last year we signed Pogba without CL.
He is a German Bayern fan, those guys makes the Barca fans seem modest and humble.
If Mourinho's after an all out winger, of those only Di María fits the profile.
Does he feck. He's never been anything above bang average on the wing, look at his best season yet. His close control and dribbling leave a lot to be desired at times too. He's far too inconsistent on the wing.
Please, tell me you're not rewriting history about Di María just because he failed here.
I like him as a player and can see why Jose would want him but this is getting silly now. Inter are not budging on their price.
Surely we have an alternative lined up who offers the same attributes as Perisic?
When's the Juventus chief Scout start work?
Surely we have an alternative lined up who offers the same attributes as Perisic?
When's the Juventus chief Scout start work?
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