Even that is not guaranteed.
For a 28yr+ winger who relies on pace, he will likely decline sooner than later.
Ivan Perisic
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For a 28yr+ winger who relies on pace, he will likely decline sooner than later.
Oh noooo but he is a workhouse winger who tracks back.
You cant really compare United to Bournemouth. Most clubs are just as happy to sit back against us and get a draw. Cant say the same about Bournemouth.
I tried my best to convince meself this guy going to be quality if we actually sign him. I really do. But I still think there is no difference between him Ashley Young. A winger who work hard. And he will cost us 50m. I believe someone already said in this thread, if any of our rivals sign him for 50m, will we laugh at them for getting mugged or we're going to say that he is going to great for them?
What are you basing the Ashley Young comparison on ?
We only got 4 more goals than Crystal Palace. Last season Sunderland got 48 goals (we got 54 this season). You can't tell me it's cos teams sit back against us and not them. 54 is atrocious compared to the quality of our side and much much worse teams have scored comparable amounts and that can't be just because teams don't sit back against them.
In fact we only scored 5 more goals than we did last season under LVG... just think about that. Under LVG we played the most boring, slow and defensive football in pretty much all of our lifetimes and somehow we only got 5 more than that? There's definitely something seriously wrong with our system
If you ask me, I can address 3 key issues in the team
a- our lack of a DM which forces attacking minded players such as Herrera and Pogba to play in unfamiliar deeper roles else the defense will be exposed.
b- lack of pace and talent on the flanks. That gives teams plenty of time to drop deep and defend. The EPL had become an extremely defensive league and Im old enough to remember the catenacchio.
c- we seriously lack natural goalscorers. Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Herrera and Lingard are not natural goalscorers.
That can't be sorted without a change in personnel.
Icardi scored 24 league goals also, don't see your point TBH.
Perisic's numbers were solid, I only expect him to get more with us also.
Really? Perisic is nothing unique in the premier league. He will struggle getting to grips with the difference in physicality from Italy to England. Also he is a weak finisher. Why would his numbers go up? He has been erratic all his career
Dortmund deemed him surplus to requirements, yet he is supposedly good enough for us? The only time he really shone was at Club Brugge in the Jupiler Pro League. I refuse to believe that our scouts and Jose are unable to identify a superior player to Perisic to strengthen our wing options.
This doesn't inspire me whatsoever.
It looks like this summer we will have completely failed to recruit even one top draw attacker.
I wonder how many more years it will take before we actually get a world class attacker.
It looks like this summer we will have completely failed to recruit even one top draw attacker.
I wonder how many more years it will take before we actually get a world class attacker.
Playing for a better team, more time on the ball. Don't see him struggling with physicality personally, not like Italy don't have good defenders?
Hmm seems like we're arguing the same thing. Unless I followed this chain incorrectly, seems like you were suggesting that Morata alone was not enough to solve our issues. But the point made at you was our systemic flaws lead to our poor output in terms of goals.
I would say the points you just made are describing the exact systemic problems that we are facing. I don't disagree we need new players to solve our issues but I think the point is that we just need the right players who can allow us to play an effective system, i.e. We don't need a superstar striker or 20 goal a season wingers to solve our goalscoring issues. We just need to find the right balance and fluid system to allow our players to play to their potential and the team to become greater than the sum of their parts.
I'd be sold on him if someone can confirm that he puts in consistent performances and is one of the better crossers. We are terrible from out wide and a wide man is exactly what we need. Ideally the width should come from fullbacks but I am not against the idea of a solid traditional winger.
This is something i don't believe at all. Serie A is a weaker league and Inter scored 72 goals last season. Premier league is a better league and United scored 18 goals less. I can't see how he could have better stats in tougher league in a team who score ~25% less goals?
a- Morata won't be able to score all the goals we need.
b- Our team is not good enough to win the league as it is
c- we need more natural goalscorers
d- We cant expect Herrera and Pogba to do the DM work.
e- The EPL has never been as defensive as it is now
f- because of E, We need to have players who give us tactical options and make us look unpredictable
that's my argument all along.
Well I expect us next year to score MANY more goals. If we don't we have zero chance of winning the league.
If we can't get another 25 goals across the team we are in big trouble, but I expect our attacking play to be better next year.
At no have I said that he is a bad player. I just don't think he is what we need imo. We need better and should do better. I'm not calling for galactico because that will not happen. Griezmann is a good as it gets in terms of overall quality. We really should be pushing for more than just another stop gap who might not improve imo.
I see what you're saying. I don't think Morata is world class either but the truth is that we really need at least one world class player or one close to that ilk in the forward position. If we signed Griezmann, I wouldn't be so against the Perisic deal. Morata is not Griezmann, so that extra quality has to come from the other player that we sign.
I don't believe in this either. Morata would go to par with Zlatan, in a good scenario. Perisic is only a work horse. And manager is still Mourinho. Right now i would be really happy if we get top4 with this team. But we would be maybe sixth favourite behind Arsenal and Liverpool. This team is miles away from challenging for a trophy. And if we don't strenght our squad, it's miles away from +25 goals too. With these players we will not do it. Not even near. Right now i say we really have zero change of winning league. And after Morata and Perisic it still would be same zero. They are not answer to anything bigger than fighting for a Wenger Trophy.
I say it one more time, we are like 2 world class game winners and 1-2 quality signings far from challenging for a trophy.
Challenging for the league perhaps, we already won 2 trophies with the current team. I agree though that as it stands right now we are missing game changers.
Hopefully once we have the rumored 3 signings we are chasing sorted out it will open up the team and goals will be more plentiful than last season.
And if Perisic can cross the ball properly as well that will be another bonus. We played the low offer game with Inter, didn't work so now we are going to end up paying nearer to what they wanted all along anyway. It was worth a try though trying to do it on the cheap, makes sense from a business point of view.
Completely disagree. We bought two world class players 3 summers ago with Di Maria and Falcao and weren't much better off for it. What we need is a world class squad mentality, which is not something that can be bought or achieved by haplessly throwing money at something. That is completely down to Mourinho and his staff to do. We obviously need new players as well but this idea that we are x world class signings away from winning the league or CL is obviously completely nonsense. Its the mentality of the team as a whole that is paramount here.
I'm sorry to say this but Ed deserves a statue outside of Old Trafford for refusing to give in to Inter's demands and paying 50M for this player
Next we will probably see Madrid asking double of that for Morata
Next we will probably see Madrid asking double of that for Morata
He's everything but a traditional winger. He's about as traditional a winger as Mkhitaryan.
Don't see my point? One player can do well but not another?
Then why are we in for him exactly? If he doesn't add anything more than Mhikitaryan then what's the point?
Beats me.
This. I struggle to comprehand why we are after Persicic.
Less time on the ball. The premier league is played at a vastly faster pace, ask Pogba. Better team? we are 6th best. They came 7th. It won't be any easier. Good defenders in Italy? Both Napoli and Roma netted more than 90 goals. They are far from exceptional sides with exceptional attackers. Roma start two Premier league rejects (Salah and Dzeko) in their attack. They netted over 90 league goals. Where the good defenders at?
Wish so to, but rather Perisic than Martial, Rashford, Lingard drooling the flank for another year. But I think it has got to do with the specific qualities he has, workrate, go inside and outside, scoring, and mainly his final balls and beating defenders. Also quite physical good, hope he has a Pedro-effect. Dont expect much more to be honest.
Yeah, but it seems like we arent and it's really frustrating. We arent after elite players it seems, Im not sure what Mou's plan is.
So I mostly don't disagree with what you've said however the point which you miss out is that playing the right system can unlock players ability to play to their full potential, so signing the right type of players will make the entire team play better.
Just look at Klopp, he's shown that you don't need world class quality to do well. He's turned a bunch of average players into a brilliant team. If you look at the quality of their squad that team looks nothing better than 6th/7th at best. He's turned average players like Wijnaldum and Mane into world beaters. He's proved that the right system and ideas can make players far greater than the sum of their parts.
That's why when people look at Morata, Matic Perisic they can feel underwhelmed but they miss the real point. These guys can have the same effect Mane had on Liverpool, they can be the missing piece of the puzzle which allows the rest of the team to flourish and I don't just mean allowing Pogba and Herrera to push forward more. When a whole team clicks the effect is much larger than what one great player can bring. Another example is the effect Isco had on Madrid when he came in while Bale was injured. He's not necessarily a better player than Bale but it let them play a different formation and style and they completely dominated an excellent Juventus side in the CL final.
I think these things are not so obvious when you watch games or teams over the season but it explains a lot why managers try so hard to get their man and don't look for alternatives who may actually be better in quality. Look at Klopp being ready to spend 70m on Keita, he knows exactly the players he needs for his system and he'll pay any price to get them. People said he overpaid for Wijnaldum and Mane at the time but we were all proved wrong.
I think if we get the right players in it won't matter that Morata isn't a world class forward or that Perisic isn't a 20 goal a season winger, they will improve our whole team if Mou can slot them into the right system
If Martial plays like his debut season, there would be no question. His attacking potential is far greater than Perisic's
Bang on right.
We need to hope and pray that Martial really steps up this coming season. Perisic is a good solid player, but he is not going to elevate our attack.
We'll probably end up spending )200 million this summer, and not one of those players will be deemed an elite acquisition.
Who are viable alternatives to Perisic? Left sided attacking players? And are they better than Perisic (who I don't know much about)
Bolasie?
Lanzini?
Arnautovic?
Son?
Sigurdsson?
I'm assuming that Hazard or Sanchez are not viable as we would have gone for them if so.
Bolasie?
Lanzini?
Arnautovic?
Son?
Sigurdsson?
I'm assuming that Hazard or Sanchez are not viable as we would have gone for them if so.
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More time spent on the ball attacking than inter is what I meant. We will dominate games better than current inter will.
In that sense he will also do better with more space considering his speed and dribbling.
Perisic and Mikhitaryan are completely different types of players. Saying they are alike is a gross simplification of footballing styles. Just because neither of them are Ryan Giggs doesn't mean they are the same type of player. Perisic is still 100x more a winger than Mikhitaryan. Even when Mikhitaryan plays on the wing he doesn't stay there, he likes to drift inside and play in the no 10 position. Perisic is a proper winger in the sense that he actually plays wide and stays wide
Then the next question would be that how is he different from someone like Giggs?
I actually don't envisage he'll be any better than Arnautovic to be honest. I know someone will try to say he is amazing based off his recognisable season at 28, in the glorious Serie A, but hey everyone has opinions
People have been crying out for a game changing attacker, another match winner to lessen the loads on the striker. We have plenty of inconsistent attackers and he is yet another one, who is also a suspect finisher.
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