Ivan Perisic

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cheeky_backheel said:
Unfortunately those qualities do not address our immediate needs.

We need players that can elevate our impotent attack to the next level and not just make it 'different'. Players that can grab control of the game, carry the attack and win us games, even scoring from nothing.

Can Perisc do that? If he cant, then all those qualities you listed are of little to no value and his acquisition is simply a waste of funds and opportunity
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Can we guarantee any player coming in can do that? We can't. So that isn't the argument.

As things stand, he would elevate us to another level - as our wide players have not given us much in terms of consistency or top performances.

Remains to be seen if he can be the ultimate game changer. For me he has the qualities to make a big difference in our end product. We've seen how premier league defenders tend to struggle when you run at them with confidence. Perisic does it for fun, and isn't easy to read since he is happy on either foot.
 
buckooo1978 said:
It's not like Inter/Perisic and relegated, pathetic Sunderland and 34 year old Defoe are the same thing

It was an odd comparison - had a look out of curiosity and they had similar scoring records - 11 in 31 for Perisic, 15 in 37 for Defoe

Perisic on the left is very productive - 26 games, 11 goals, 6 assists is very decent - from whoscored
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Lets try to be 'fair' then

Inter finished 7th in a league that is weaker than the PL and finished behind Southampton in the EL. That puts Inter at the level of Southampton, Bournemouth, West Brom, Leceister, Westham and Stoke.

Is there any winger in those teams that you think is worth 50m?
 
Mr Anderson said:
Can we guarantee any player coming in can do that? We can't. So that isn't the argument.

As things stand, he would elevate us to another level - as our wide players have not given us much in terms of consistency or top performances.

Remains to be seen if he can be the ultimate game changer. For me he has the qualities to make a big difference in our end product. We've seen how premier league defenders tend to struggle when you run at them with confidence. Perisic does it for fun, and isn't easy to read since he is happy on either foot.
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There are no guarantees, but players that have shown high qualities in the past (e.g. Grezmann) can reasonably be expected to perform as such.

Perisic failed elevate Inter to another level even when playing in a slow league like Serie A where Alves looks like a spring chicken. He has never elevated a team to a top level in his career and will not be doing so at United.

Expecting otherwise is simply wishful thinking.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
There are no guarantees, but players that have shown high qualities in the past (e.g. Grezmann) can reasonably be expected to perform as such.

Perisic failed elevate Inter to another level even when playing in a slow league like Serie A where Alves looks like a spring chicken. He has never elevated a team to a top level in his career and will not be doing so at United.

Expecting otherwise is simply wishful thinking.
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Not every good player on the planet does it single handedly, and is at a club that is blooming. A lot her schoffed at Mane because of who he was and where he played at the time, yet he'd have improved us easily for instance.

As I said, I have some reservations myself - but I still believe he does have something about him that will do well at our club. And it ain't wishful, he's shown what he can do, one of the better and commendable performers in a troubled side.
 
Gazzetta Dello Sport saying Inter want to replace Perisic with Douglas Costa.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Lets try to be 'fair' then

Inter finished 7th in a league that is weaker than the PL and finished behind Southampton in the EL. That puts Inter at the level of Southampton, Bournemouth, West Brom, Leceister, Westham and Stoke.

Is there any winger in those teams that you think is worth 50m?
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how is that fair?

one is a striker, one is a midfielder

why are you even bringing the league position of Inter into it? or the seriousness Italian teams treat the Europa League with?

we are comparing - well you were comparing Defoe and Perisic which is pretty silly

'Inter finished 7th in a league that is weaker than the PL and finished behind Southampton in the EL' - does this mean that Spurs are worse than Gent, Anderlecht, Club Brugge and Zulte-Waregem to use your yardstick on how you rate teams :lol:

the comparison you made wasn't a well thought out one to be fair - you need to judge players on their quality rather than their teams league position - Everton just bought Pickford for 30 million - which from a relegated side is probably a reduced deal - it hardly seems incredible does it? generally when teams are relegated they sell them for less than market value. If Defoe was 27 who knows how much a team would pay for his guaranteed goals.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Lets try to be 'fair' then

Inter finished 7th in a league that is weaker than the PL and finished behind Southampton in the EL. That puts Inter at the level of Southampton, Bournemouth, West Brom, Leceister, Westham and Stoke.

Is there any winger in those teams that you think is worth 50m?
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They're more like Liverpool from before last season and they literally sold Sterling for 50m pounds
 
LoSpritz said:
One of the real signs of a player being any good is seeing how much his team's fans want to keep him.

Right now i'm in a bar surrounded by Inter fans who are absolutely gutted by these tweets and the possibility he could be on his way to us.

Think we have to trust Jose on this one.
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wtf :lol: Plenty of rubbish players out there that fans don't wanna get rid of.
 
He's more than decent but not top class, we should look elsewhere. Sanchez, Lemar, Costa maybe.
 
buckooo1978 said:
how is that fair?

one is a striker, one is a midfielder

why are you even bringing the league position of Inter into it? or the seriousness Italian teams treat the Europa League with?

we are comparing - well you were comparing Defoe and Perisic which is pretty silly

'Inter finished 7th in a league that is weaker than the PL and finished behind Southampton in the EL' - does this mean that Spurs are worse than Gent, Anderlecht, Club Brugge and Zulte-Waregem to use your yardstick on how you rate teams :lol:

the comparison you made wasn't a well thought out one to be fair - you need to judge players on their quality rather than their teams league position - Everton just bought Pickford for 30 million - which from a relegated side is probably a reduced deal - it hardly seems incredible does it? generally when teams are relegated they sell them for less than market value. If Defoe was 27 who knows how much a team would pay for his guaranteed goals.
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It is as fair as you can get when someone tries to prove the quality of a player by stating the desires of the fans of a mid-table team. The position he plays in is totally irrelevant.

Inter is mid-table in serie A. They are not any better than midtable teams in the PL
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially on a football forum, but the sheer arrogance in this place can be astonishing at times.

Some on here seem to think Perisic is nailed on to be a shit signing - seems pretty odd that Jose fecking Mourinho is after someone who is so obviously shit and ineffective for us.

Very odd indeed.
Maybe we're just splunking money for the sake of it.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Apparently rejected close to 40m, this market is fecking mental.
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More like the stingy fecking Italians are mental.

You can be absolutely sure if they bid for Darmian the bid would be some ridiculous low sum and a packet of crisps, with us subsidising the wages.

Always the same with the Italian clubs, expect to get bargains themself, but still get top whack for their own sales who are not domestic.

Fecking twats, hope Berlusconi is re elected.
 
This recent rumour comes from Di Marzio as well, so it's almost definitely accurate. It looks like we're going to end up paying £50m for Perisic.
 
Mr Anderson said:
Not every good player on the planet does it single handedly, and is at a club that is blooming. A lot her schoffed at Mane because of who he was and where he played at the time, yet he'd have improved us easily for instance.

As I said, I have some reservations myself - but I still believe he does have something about him that will do well at our club. And it ain't wishful, he's shown what he can do, one of the better and commendable performers in a troubled side.
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and what has he shown? Was it at Dortmund, Wolfsburg or Inter? Perisic is an average player - has been and will always be.

Mane on the other hand was 24 and showed potential. Kudos to him for stepping up at a bigger club. Same cannot be expected of a 28yr old average player.
 
We need to walk away.....Inter know we are desperate so will over inflate price!
 
I rate Perisic but this has become very annoying. Mourinho obviously really wants him but he also said that he gave Ed a list of names for each position so let's just move on.
 
Zoo said:
I rate Perisic but this has become very annoying. Mourinho obviously really wants him but he also said that he gave Ed a list of names for each position so let's just move on.
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You're right, the only reason I think this is dragging on is we must be very close, the majority of the deal must be tied up. These transfers are huge after all.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Lets try to be 'fair' then

Inter finished 7th in a league that is weaker than the PL and finished behind Southampton in the EL. That puts Inter at the level of Southampton, Bournemouth, West Brom, Leceister, Westham and Stoke.

Is there any winger in those teams that you think is worth 50m?
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This is terrible argument to use. The league overall maybe weaker. A team may be inconsistent & underperform. Doesn't mean that team is similar level to other team gross team in other league. Chelsea in their off year was definitely midtable. Was Chelsea worse team than Celta, Bilbao, Sevilla, Villareal? I saw people here saying they would say no to Hazard if he's motivated to join us last season(!). Yes Chelsea was dormant most of the time that season, but their quality is not questionable. So that logic is flaw if you look at that Soto signed an definite journeyman forward from Serie A & that guy quickly became one of their best players. Using your logic, how was that even possible? A player who couldn't get enough gametime from an average Serie A team become a starter for midtable PL team.

People used to drool over Payet from West Ham. Last summer people were drooling over Mahrez for whatever price. NZonzi made a step up & being considered very good player ready for bigger clubs after leaving Stoke. This case is huge in that an average player who was not young anymore in a average team moved to a better team then made a step up. It's all about player fitting in the system to bring out their best/ dormant ability. If anything, your argument is based solely on current form. If anything, scouting mean that assessing the worst & the best over the long period of time.
 
You could get Lemar, Rodriguez for that price.

If you add another 15-20m you could sign Bale! Inter are being so irrational with their valuation for a 29 year old who isn't really world class.
 
Nate Dogg said:
You could get Lemar, Rodriguez for that price.

If you add another 15-20m you could sign Bale! Inter are being so irrational with their valuation for a 29 year old who isn't really world class.
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Lemar, totally different player, plays on the left but mainly cuts inside and doesn't keep the width.

James, a #10 and as far from a hug the line type winger you'll ever find.

Bale for 65-70m£? You having a laugh?
 
It's clear that Inter isn't gonna sell for anything less than their price. No need to keep sending offers if they're so stubborn like this. We tried our best.

If Ed is unwilling to pay the money then time to move on to the next target.
 
Even in an inflated market anything over 30m for perisic would be stupid, should just move on to an alternative.
 
Please for the love of god can we just take our money and run, far far away and look elsewhere, Inter don't want to sell and we should accept and umm buy someone better,

Also I really feel this is where a DoF would come in good, I don't care what anyone tells me and I know Mourinho knows more than Jando from Redcafe but I am not having it that there's not a better and most likely cheaper and younger alternative out there to Perisic, he would be such an under welming Fellaini'esque signing
 
Would rather we push the boat out for a game changer (in both senses of the phrase) like Sanchez or Bale.
 
The bigger worry in all of this is that Mourinho wants this type and level of player so badly that he's still got Ed trying to pay silly mnoney for him, we need to walk away, the idea of them replacing him with Costa is even more infuriating.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
and what has he shown? Was it at Dortmund, Wolfsburg or Inter? Perisic is an average player - has been and will always be.

Mane on the other hand was 24 and showed potential. Kudos to him for stepping up at a bigger club. Same cannot be expected of a 28yr old average player.
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Yeah, the age is the issue here. If Perisic was 24, we'd be looking at his consistent 10 goal seasons and hoping he could get up to 15 in his prime, which would make him a productive winger even though he's just okay at creating for others.

Some wingers and fullbacks have managed to stay productive in their early 30s, but I'd be a lot more comfortable signing a target man, a DM or a keeper for huge money at 28.

If Martial isn't better than Perisic at the moment, how long until he will be? Why spend big on an LW who might be 10% better than a 21 year old?

There's gotta be a smarter use of this money.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Lemar, totally different player, plays on the left but mainly cuts inside and doesn't keep the width.

James, a #10 and as far from a hug the line type winger you'll ever find.

Bale for 65-70m£? You having a laugh?
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Of what use is hugging the line when you lack the quality to make a difference? I dont see Hazard or Neymar hugging any line.

People talk about hugging the line and providing width as if it automatically makes an attack better. If you lack quality, you can marry the line for better for worse and it still wouldnt make an attack better.

We should be looking to sign quality core pieces for our attack not average players that only futher adds to the medicority in the sqaud.

We should be signing young players with great potentials or prime age players of top quality. Perisic is simply an over age average player.
 
How can the likes of Inter really reject £40m for a 29 year old when they are struggling to meet FFP?

United have to start playing dirty. Get the player to tantrum, down tools and not turn up to training. We lost £15m after Di Maria did this.
 
The more money we end up paying for this guy, the harder it will be for him to win over the fans. Obviously Perišić isn't the person responsible for the transfer fee going up, but a higher transfer fee will just add pressure on him. A significant number of fans have voiced their displeasure at recruiting him, paying £40-50m will only make their feeling towards him worse.
 
SwansonsTache said:
More like the stingy fecking Italians are mental.

You can be absolutely sure if they bid for Darmian the bid would be some ridiculous low sum and a packet of crisps, with us subsidising the wages.

Always the same with the Italian clubs, expect to get bargains themself, but still get top whack for their own sales who are not domestic.

Fecking twats, hope Berlusconi is re elected.
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This has to be a none starter at the quoted fee Inter are holding out for. Just drop down to the next one on Mourinho's list.
 
I reckon he would be a decent buy but not for that price. United fans would expect way too much from him and he'd be up against it from day 1.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Lemar, totally different player, plays on the left but mainly cuts inside and doesn't keep the width.

James, a #10 and as far from a hug the line type winger you'll ever find.

Bale for 65-70m£? You having a laugh?
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He doesn't and does at the same time. Lots of freedom but he could definitely stay on the wing if instructed to.
 
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