Ivan Perisic

[MUFC OK]

It's funny that you say it's a job for the manager and scouts, when it's the manager and scouts who have identified Perisic as a suitable signing for our team.

Ultimately it is, I'll still say if I think we are signing the wrong player though, as we are all entitled to.

 

[haram]

To be fair it's not the fans' responsibility to scout players. Perisic is an underwhelming transfer for the reported fee and I would hope our full time professional scouts could find someone else.

Or maybe our full time professional scouts have identified Perisic as the best fit for us and our system.

Some of the drivel posted about this potential transfer, honestly. It's like some of you don't understand that different systems and playstyles require different types of wingers/widemen. Salah is not the same type of wide man. He will not be playing in the same system as ours. That's why it makes more sense for Liverpool to go for him as he better suits them.

All of this, and the fact that Perisic would be one of the best wingers in the league period!

 

[Stringer]

Or maybe our full time professional scouts have identified Perisic as the best fit for us and our system.

Some of the drivel posted about this potential transfer, honestly. It's like some of you don't understand that different systems and playstyles require different types of wingers/widemen. Salah is not the same type of wide man. He will not be playing in the same system as ours. That's why it makes more sense for Liverpool to go for him as he better suits them.

All of this, and the fact that Perisic would be one of the best wingers in the league period!

You obviously don't know what a 'fact' is.

Anyway I hope I'm wrong obviously but it's hardly out of the question that people are unsure about paying €50 million for a 28 year old who has never looked even close to world class. It's not as if Mourinho is perfect and can't make mistakes.

 

[haram]

You obviously don't know what a 'fact' is.

Anyway I hope I'm wrong obviously but it's hardly out of the question that people are unsure about paying €50 million for a 28 year old who has never looked even close to world class. It's not as if Mourinho is perfect and can't make mistakes.

Hazard, Mane, Pedro, Sane and....

And of course, Mourinho can make mistakes, but people actively want this transfer to fail as if Mourinho's second choice is supposed to be better?

 

[devilish]

Hazard, Mane, Pedro, Sane and....

And of course, Mourinho can make mistakes, but people actively want this transfer to fail as if Mourinho's second choice is supposed to be better?

I think that most people are against us spending loads of £££ on Perisic rather then wanting this transfer to fail

 

[Thisistheone]

Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mikhi and Mata, none of them are true wingers, they all like to either drift inside or cut inside with their dribbling. None of them do any of the the things an out and out winger would do, create width and stretch the defense, beat his man on the outside and play balls in the box.

Perisic would be completely unique in our side and would actually give us some much much needed width. When we play so compact in the middle it's hard to find space, especially as we didn't really have an attacking left back. He's also pretty creative and offers a decent amount of goals and assists. But to say he's just another body is completely missing the point and impact he'd bring tactically

In my view he can turn out to be a very good signing for us & an important one too especially considering all our wide players like to drift in we genuinely need someone who can stretch the opposition defense & drag their CBs out of position & create space for other players. Against top clubs who likes to defend narrow and high press he can be a massive outlet. If we play Micky in no.10 role he will have more space to operate by letting perisic stay out wide & we can create situation where we can isolate him against full backs and create opportunities.

He will be a very important player in big games considering the way Jose plays with counter attacking football ( his goal against croatia at euros is the best example). He might turn out to be a very important signing for us this season & Morata if both goes through. For me he is a no brainer the way Jose sets up his team. Thats just my view

Agree with these posts. How many times last season did we struggle to break down teams and rely on Valencia as our only source of width? Nothing from the left at all. In the big games and vs smaller sides.

Perisic might not be the most talented but I'm guessing in Mourinho's eye would add another dimension to the side. More Balance. Width on both flanks would benefit the likes of Pogba, Micky and Morata/Rashford.

Also his superb work rate would have an effect on the opposition full back the way Moses did for Chelsea last season. Not the most talented but quick and hard working, a vital cog in Conte's team.

At 28 we'd still have 3 or 4 years out of him. As for the price, if he plays a role in us winning the league I couldn't care if he cost £25m or £35m. However if Inter are playing silly games and asking for more then we need to walk away and find as close an alternative as possible.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Yeah, I have no issue signing this player, (Although I wont pretend I know much at all about him) but if the money that is being talked about is correct I think we would be mad to consider it

Likewise with Matic

And although the Morata fee is insane. We do desperately need a striker and he is only 24 so there is that.

 

[haram]

I think that most people are against us spending loads of £££ on Perisic rather then wanting this transfer to fail

Sometimes you have to pay that extra for crucial players. I do think he will be a crucial player for us and will prove everyone wrong.

How can Inter demand £44m for Perisic with a straight face. Salah and Bernardo Silva went for less despite being young and having much better seasons.

They dont want to sell him.

 

[devilish]

Sometimes you have to pay that extra for crucial players. I do think he will be a crucial player for us and will prove everyone wrong.

I see sense in us buying Perisic. First of all he's not half as bad as people in here is portraying him (he's not the Croatian version of Lingard). Secondly he'll give us width something we do lack and finally he'll provide us with the ideal tutor for Martial. Having said that 50m euros is a bit too much for him. Liverpool were able to sign Salah and Mane for around the same/less fee and they are much better then Perisic is.

 

[El Jefe]

How can Inter demand £44m for Perisic with a straight face. Salah and Bernardo Silva went for less despite being young and having much better seasons.

Mourinho can throw a strop if he likes but at that price we have to look for other targets. To those who think we should pay at all costs, what kind of message does this send going forward. People say Pogba at £90m changed the landscape of transfer fees. I'd argue that Perisic at £44m would have a bigger impact. We'd officially be declaring ourselves mugs in the transfer market.

 

[An Irish Red]

Guess people have been spoiled with mega stellar signings over the past few seasons and the fact that he does not fit into anyone's definition of a United Galactico - if I may say that - makes sombre reading for some. We should look where the team is lacking quality and fill it with players that would improve that area rather than clamouring for every player that we could dream of.

I don't understand why this has become a common argument on here. I couldn't care less what brand recognition a potential signing has; my objection to us signing Perisic isn't because of his status like.

 

[Kag]

How can Inter demand £44m for Perisic with a straight face. Salah and Bernardo Silva went for less despite being young and having much better seasons.

Mourinho can throw a strop if he likes but at that price we have to look for other targets. To those who think we should pay at all costs, what kind of message does this send going forward. People say Pogba at £90m changed the landscape of transfer fees. I'd argue that Perisic at £44m would have a bigger impact. We'd officially be declaring ourselves mugs in the transfer market.

Spot on. Salah, in particular, has set the market price. Playing in Italy, aged 24, goalscoring winger at a Champions League-placed club, £40 million. Any more for Perisic is simply negligent, hence the apparent impasse.

 

[Android1974]

Spot on. Salah, in particular, has set the market price. Playing in Italy, aged 24, goalscoring winger at a Champions League-placed club, £40 million. Any more for Perisic is simply negligent, hence the apparent impasse.

Salah flopped already for Mourinho in England, so they know we're not interested. Those things change value.

 

[Kag]

Salah flopped already for Mourinho in England, so they know we're not interested. Those things change value.

If you're Ed Woodward, you're likely going to look at it from my perspective. Ditto Bernardo Silva, who has been sold to City (big spenders) for a seemingly fair fee. We cannot be seen to pay more for a 29 year old Perisic.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Are people saying Perisic had a bad season? Did he not get 11 goals and 17 assists in a poor enough Inter team?

 

[JPRouve]

I see this post a lot, and no one really mentions any names. Who are you thinking of that our manager etc. are totally overlooking.

I don't know if he is overlooking them or if maybe they are aren't/weren't available to us or maybe they don't fit his requirement but in my opinion Bertrand Traoré, Lemar, Insigne, Baldé Keita among others are better players.

 

[Android1974]

If you're Ed Woodward, you're likely going to look at it from my perspective. Ditto Bernardo Silva, who has been sold to City (big spenders) for a seemingly fair fee. We cannot be seen to pay more for a 29 year old Perisic.

Bernardo isn't a winger, though. I agree we shouldn't be overspending with the likes of Perišić, but in the long run it might be costly not to indulge on Mourinho's picks. I feel a good pre-season and a good start of the Premier League could do wonders.

 

[Lawman]

If you're Ed Woodward, you're likely going to look at it from my perspective. Ditto Bernardo Silva, who has been sold to City (big spenders) for a seemingly fair fee. We cannot be seen to pay more for a 29 year old Perisic.

Who cares about City let's get ourselves sorted and not let what any other club does dictate our transfer policy indirectly.
If Jose wants A instead of B or C then fair enough his previous success (last season included) merits it.
Personally I'd love Dembele but if Jose deems Perisic better or he has to work within a budget then whatever I'm more than happy to trust Jose.

 

[Kag]

Bernardo isn't a winger, though. I agree we shouldn't be overspending with the likes of Perišić, but in the long run it might be costly not to indulge on Mourinho's picks. I feel a good pre-season and a good start of the Premier League could do wonders.

No, I think not indulging Mourinho and refusing to get our pants pulled down is exactly the right thing to do. I think we're in a very strong position this summer, and that we can afford to be more savvy with our transfer choices. But then I rate our squad a lot more highly than most, and haven't bought into Mourinho's incessant negativity.

Who cares about City let's get ourselves sorted and not let what any other club does dictate our transfer policy indirectly.
If Jose wants A instead of B or C then fair enough his previous success (last season included) merits it.
Personally I'd love Dembele but if Jose deems Perisic better or he has to work within a budget then whatever I'm more than happy to trust Jose.

Other clubs do dictate our transfer policy. It's a market. Ed Woodward has to justify transfer expenditure to his superiors. When younger, more productive players are leaving Serie A for less than £40 million, then paying significantly more money for a considerably older player (that is approaching 30) will quite rightly be scrutinised.

I want the club to spend money. I argued for this heavily when Ferguson and Gill were pissing around buying shite every summer. But we need to be careful. We cannot be seen to spend £45 million on Perisic because we will suffer the consequences in the long run. This particular deal would be lunacy, infact. Especially when, as stated, younger, more productive (more desirable?) players like Salah and Silva are going for cheaper the price, from clubs that currently are in the Champions League. Inter don't even have that security.

I trust Mourinho in relation to his targets. I think he'll buy good players. But if certain players are not good business then we need to move elsewhere, and not bleat on to the press...

 

[Android1974]

No, I think not indulging Mourinho and refusing to get our pants pulled down is exactly the right thing to do. I think we're in a very strong position this summer, and that we can afford to be more savvy with our transfer choices. But then I rate our squad a lot more highly than most, and haven't bought into Mourinho's incessant negativity.

We've almost failed completely last season due to poor finishing, we're losing Zlatan to injury and Rooney to old age, and you think we're in a very strong position this summer? And the band plays on… the sinking ship!

 

[Kag]

We've almost failed completely last season due to poor finishing, we're losing Zlatan to injury and Rooney to old age, and you think we're in a very strong position this summer? And the band plays on… the sinking ship!

We have European football, we've got the best goalkeeper in England, we've got one of the best defences in all of Europe, we've got Paul Pogba who will surely take it up a notch next season. We've also got very good attackers like Mata, Mkhitaryan and Martial already at the club (although Mourinho has done a good job convincing you otherwise). We're going to buy Morata, and will very likely add another 3-4 players over the duration of the summer. Forgive me for not throwing myself off of said sinking ship...

We're in a good position. The biggest issue we face is the manager and his inability to get the best out of our young players, as well as the relentless negativity that blighted the quality of football played throughout 2017 thus far. If he can grow some bollocks and stop whining to the press, we may do quite well. But what do I know?

 

[devilish]

We have European football, we've got the best goalkeeper in England, we've got one of the best defences in all of Europe, we've got Paul Pogba who will surely take it up a notch next season. We've also got very good attackers like Mata, Mkhitaryan and Martial already at the club (although Mourinho has done a good job convincing you otherwise). We're going to buy Morata, and will very likely add another 3-4 players over the duration of the summer. Forgive me for not throwing myself off of said sinking ship...

We're in a good position. The biggest issue we face is the manager and his inability to get the best out of our young players, as well as the relentless negativity that blighted the quality of football played throughout 2017 thus far. If he can grow some bollocks and stop whining to the press, we may do quite well. But what do I know?

We already have that and we ended up 6th. Morata might compensate for Ibra's loss but he's certainly not an upgrade.

In my opinion we need a top quality DM (possibly 2) and top quality/goalscoring winger on the left.

 

[Android1974]

We have European football, we've got the best goalkeeper in England, we've got one of the best defences in all of Europe, we've got Paul Pogba who will surely take it up a notch next season. We've also got very good attackers like Mata, Mkhitaryan and Martial already at the club (although Mourinho has done a good job convincing you otherwise). We're going to buy Morata, and will very likely add another 3-4 players over the duration of the summer. Forgive me for not throwing myself off of said sinking ship...

We're in a good position. The biggest issue we face is the manager and his inability to get the best out of our young players, as well as the relentless negativity that blighted the quality of football played throughout 2017 thus far. If he can grow some bollocks and stop whining to the press, we may do quite well. But what do I know?

Yeah, and the two managers before him did even worse… Clearly, an easy job. Look at Merlin Guardiola at City, another easy job. Deluded fans, still thinking this is a Ferguson world.

 

[Kag]

We already have that and we ended up 6th. Morata might compensate for Ibra's loss but he's certainly not an upgrade.

In my opinion we need a top quality DM (possibly 2) and top quality/goalscoring winger on the left.

That "winger on the left" can be Martial. He's a superstar. If he isn't here then he will be elsewhere, and we'll resent Mourinho for it down the line. But that's just my opinion.

I agree we need another attacker, but we'll get one. From a goalscoring point of view, we'll score more goals when we start playing with more positivity and aggression. There's a reason we scored less goals than Bournemouth last season, and it's not because we have worse players.

 

[Kag]

Yeah, and the two managers before him did even worse… Clearly, an easy job. Look at Merlin Guardiola at City, another easy job. Deluded fans, still thinking this is a Ferguson world.

Yes, because Moyes in particular is a remotely sensible comparison. Mourinho had/has an excellent squad of players to work with. There's no excuse for the goals total, as was the case under both Moyes and Van Gaal, who were both eventually (quite rightly) sacked.

He'll spend another fortune this summer, and we will bring in some more good players. After that, it's all up to him.

 

[cyberman]

Have we been linked with a lb at all this summer? He must be thought of as a wingback so maybe Jose thinks a wingback that opens up the left hand side will free up Martial / Rashford for their runs inside?
I don't think it's as simple as we need goals so we need to sign a goalscoring wideman. Maybe fixing the puzzle pieces in other areas can have a domino effect?

 

[Ace of Spades]

This signing makes some logical sense. He is a genuine winger that we lack, is hard working and has decent enough quality. Also he is at an age where he would be a good stop-gap signing where we can take the pressure off our youngsters like Martial and Rashford till they can mature a bit more without constantly being under a microscope.

The only issue is the price, he is not worth the 50m odd that they are asking in terms of age and quality. If they refuse to budge, then move on to next targets quickly.

 

[Hugh Jass]

We already have that and we ended up 6th. Morata might compensate for Ibra's loss but he's certainly not an upgrade.

In my opinion we need a top quality DM (possibly 2) and top quality/goalscoring winger on the left.

We had 15 draws. Turn half of those into wins we would be much closer.

 

[devilish]

We had 15 draws. Turn half of those into wins we would be much closer.

I agree but those draws were draws for a reason ie we weren't able to score enough goals. Can Morata alone sort that? Or does he need more backup?

 

[devilish]

That "winger on the left" can be Martial. He's a superstar. If he isn't here then he will be elsewhere, and we'll resent Mourinho for it down the line. But that's just my opinion.

I agree we need another attacker, but we'll get one. From a goalscoring point of view, we'll score more goals when we start playing with more positivity and aggression. There's a reason we scored less goals than Bournemouth last season, and it's not because we have worse players.

Neither Martial nor Rashford are ready yet. Under such circumstances we need someone who can fit in immediately and score the goals. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that the squad is crap (in matter of fact I think we're 3-4 players away from seriously compete for the EPL title). However as SAF once said, the league table doesn't lie. We're 6th place because we deserve it.

 

[togg]

Neither Martial nor Rashford are ready yet. Under such circumstances we need someone who can fit in immediately and score the goals. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that the squad is crap (in matter of fact I think we're 3-4 players away from seriously compete for the EPL title). However as SAF once said, the league table doesn't lie. We're 6th place because we deserve it.

Yes totally agree with this. They are not going to suddenly change into 20+ goal scorers next season. To put them under the pressure of challenging for the title and doing very well in the CL is asking too much too early.

 

[Stacks]

Are people saying Perisic had a bad season? Did he not get 11 goals and 17 assists in a poor enough Inter team?

there are many players who did better, many playing under more pressure for challenging sides. Also this is Perisic's peak season at 28. every other season he hasn't stood out enough. Hence why he is where he is. I doubt premier league defence FB are going to have much trouble with him over the season. He will struggle to have even this productivity in the premier league or the champions league. It will be even tougher than the Bundesliga for him.

 

[andersj]

Not a big fan of Perisic, but I believe that what he (and Morata) brings to the table will benefit the other players we already have in the mix.

A player like Mata will benefit greatly from their pace and movement. It will also be easier for Mourinho to play Mata when you have players like Morata and Perisic instead of Martial and Zlatan who gives very little when the other team have the ball.

 

[luke511]

We need a right winger that can cross the ball onto Morata's head on a consistent basis, that's where we really fall short at the moment. If he's a quality crosser then he's what we need.

 

[RDCR07]

Are people saying Perisic had a bad season? Did he not get 11 goals and 17 assists in a poor enough Inter team?

11 goals and 10 assists. Hardly anything to scream about and pay 40m for him.

 

[RDCR07]

We need a right winger that can cross the ball onto Morata's head on a consistent basis, that's where we really fall short at the moment. If he's a quality crosser then he's exactly what we need.

Exactly the type of player for a lesser team not United. It's like us spending 15m on Charlie Adam cause Fergie said his corners alone are worth 10m. Just cause he might be a good crosser, doesn't mean he is good enough for us.

 

[Adam-Utd]

11 goals and 10 assists. Hardly anything to scream about and pay 40m for him.

For a team that was hardly playing great football. If he played for Napoli I would be more worried.

Do you honestly think he's going to be worse than Lingard in terms of output? no chance.

Martial is a better player but if he has a stinker again we can't rely on him/rashford/lingard on the left wing. Mkhi is better as a CAM/right wing also.

 

[LoneStar]

This signing makes some logical sense. He is a genuine winger that we lack, is hard working and has decent enough quality. Also he is at an age where he would be a good stop-gap signing where we can take the pressure off our youngsters like Martial and Rashford till they can mature a bit more without constantly being under a microscope.

The only issue is the price, he is not worth the 50m odd that they are asking in terms of age and quality. If they refuse to budge, then move on to next targets quickly.

Yup, no problem with signing him, but not for the prices quoted. It's time to make one final offer and, if they refuse, just move on to the next target. Regardless of how much the manager wants him, spending 50m on a 29yr old Perisic is insane and would set a bad precedent for future transfers.

 

[RDCR07]

For a team that was hardly playing great football. If he played for Napoli I would be more worried.

Do you honestly think he's going to be worse than Lingard in terms of output? no chance.

Martial is a better player but if he has a stinker again we can't rely on him/rashford/lingard on the left wing. Mkhi is better as a CAM/right wing also.

Well Lukaku was also in a shitty team. Didn't stop him from scoring almost 30 goals a season.

 

[DWelbz19]

I agree but those draws were draws for a reason ie we weren't able to score enough goals. Can Morata alone sort that? Or does he need more backup?

The problem was more tactical than personnel. It's a point @Kag has made a few times, really -- it's quite obviously a deeper-seated issue of style than it is players when we struggle to score more goals than Bournemouth.