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Escobar said:
I really wonder why Lemar is still under the radar. I rate him very highly. He might not be a flashy player but his technical skills and his effectivity is absolutely top
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He's not really a wide player, let alone out out winger. Lemar is similar to Lingard in type. We have enough narrow players (still can upgrade if somebody move on & the price is right for Lemar. However, that's not the priority atm) As we can see the plan with Perisic is getting an out out winger.
 
ti vu said:
He's not really a wide player, let alone out out winger. Lemar is similar to Lingard in type. We have enough narrow players (still can upgrade if somebody move on & the price is right for Lemar. However, that's not the priority atm) As we can see the plan with Perisic is getting an out out winger.
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Maybe but he also comes over the left and is very versatile. I like him, is a brilliant player and would cost not more than Perisic
 
Devil may care said:
You answer your own question here IMO, if we were going to play attacking football with the focus on creativity and invention we'd buy a winger with the attributes bolded in the line above. You buy a guy like Perisic if you want a winger who operates as a second fullback, just running up and down all match with crossing being the bulk of this so called attacking output, if Jose wants that then yes, count me as very concerned about his vision for Manchester United.
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:lol:

You really don't sound excited about the direction Jose is taking the club. I think you should relax and watch how things go. We may all be pleasantly surprised. The purchases have been fairly decent so far and they probably indicate where we are heading under Jose.

Zlatan (35)
Bailly (23)
Mikhi (28)
Pogba (24)
Lindelof (23)

A number of the other guys linked to United are also relatively young. Fabinho is 23; Morata is 24; James is 25; etc. We already have a young group in Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Lingard, Timothy Fosu Mensah and Pereira.

We have also signed the young wonder kid Anaur Puigmal from Espanyol and the scouting genius, Javier Ribalta.

The recruitments indicate there is an eye on the future and that future looks bright.

We'll be fine with the addition of a few peak level, old work horses like Perisic to mix with the squad my friend. :D
 
Escobar said:
Maybe but he also comes over the left and is very versatile. I like him, is a brilliant player and would cost not more than Perisic
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Lemar has much more quality on ball than Lingard, but his strength still lies with his movement & involvement through the central area. He can still improve us if he plays for us, but the problem with our lack of real wide attacker wouldn't ease.

We can't be sure about price too. We can still pretty much pressure Inter to sell Perisic at a reasonable price; while Monaco may be able to demand more for Lemar. Monaco is under no pressure to sell. Competition in France NT is tough atm so there is a chance Lemar himself may prefer stay at Monaco to boost his chance for making WC squad next year, to risking with a new league & team playing a different role.
 
GM K said:
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You really don't sound excited about the direction Jose is taking the club. I think you should relax and watch how things go. We may all be pleasantly surprised. The purchases have been fairly decent so far and they probably indicate where we are heading under Jose.

Zlatan (35)
Bailly (23)
Mikhi (28)
Pogba (24)
Lindelof (23)

A number of the other guys linked to United are also relatively young. Fabinho is 23; Morata is 24; James is 25; etc. We already have a young group in Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Lingard, Timothy Fosu Mensah and Pereira.

We have also signed the young wonder kid Anaur Puigmal from Espanyol and the scouting genius, Javier Ribalta.

The recruitments indicate there is an eye on the future and that future looks bright.

We'll be fine with the addition of a few peak level, old work horses like Perisic to mix with the squad my friend. :D
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It's not just ages, it's the quality levels, I personally don't see it in some of those "maybe" players mate, but I respect your outlook and ability to discuss a topic like an adult, thank you. :)
 
GM K said:
This is the best description of Perisic I have seen in the CAF. Spot on mate!

Only disagreement I have is your description of his technical ability. I score him a 7 out of 10 but you obviously score him less. That's fine because I have observed that we all have different definitions of what 'technical' means in football. My score is based on his first touch, passing, ability to strike the ball well with both feet and his dribbling when in full flight due to his pace (rather than when in tight spaces. He is not great at dribbling in tight space situations like a Hazard, Neymar or Isco).

Here is why I think Jose wants Perisic...

Jose relies a lot on counter attacks against decent/strong teams. I doubt if he will ever change and United fans need to realize this. This is exactly what we paid for when we hired him. It is a style that has won him many trophies and earned him his revered reputation in world football.

The problem we had last season against decent/strong sides was that we soaked attacks well but we were poor in moving the ball from the back to the midfield and then the attack in deadly counter attacking fashion and then killing off oppositions by being clinical in front of goal. Basically, we lacked ballers who could keep the ball after taking it from the opposition in our half and then sending it to players who could hit hard on the counter.

Buying Lindelof will help in this regard. Lindelof is a ball playing defender. I suspect it's the same reason we are being linked to Semedo, Fabinho, Matic and Alba. I don't know which of the rumours is genuine or not but the common thing among all those players is that they can move the ball well from defence to attack.

But who do they give the ball to who can hit hard and fast? This is where I see Perisic come in. He has very impressive pace and he is good at running fast with the ball at his feet. My thinking is that Jose sees him as one of his ball carriers from the back to the front. He will track back, pick up the ball himself or get it from one of the defenders, or midfielders and run into the opposition camp.

Jose has used this method a lot at Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Madrid. He tried to use it at United last season but it just didn't work mainly because of the type of personnel available in defence and the fact that a few of our attacking players were simply off form. I think this is why he wants Perisic and if he does not get him, he will find a similar player. I get why some people don't fancy Perisic and they have a right not to fancy particular types of players but they need to understand that there is a logic to his choice. Jose seems to have a clear plan in mind. Whether or not he is the right fit for the club is a different debate.
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We don't differ much in our opinions. As you said, you wont see him dribble like Hazard or pass like Pirlo but his runs with the ball are well controlled and he can play on either side of the pitch with efficiency. If used right like in the national team he can be very, very good.
 
ti vu said:
Lemar has much more quality on ball than Lingard, but his strength still lies with his movement & involvement through the central area. He can still improve us if he plays for us, but the problem with our lack of real wide attacker wouldn't ease.
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This idea that we need a left footed, touchline hugging winger on the left hand side is completely outdated; no other big club sets up like this anymore as the width comes from the fullbacks.

When you struggle going forward, and have a wide array of technically lacking workhorses, I really don't see how adding another one to the squad would do anything other than exacerbate our issues.
 
An Irish Red said:
This idea that we need a left footed, touchline hugging winger on the left hand side is completely outdated; no other big club sets up like this anymore as the width comes from the fullbacks.

When you struggle going forward, and have a wide array of technically lacking workhorses, I really don't see how adding another one to the squad would do anything other than exacerbate our issues.
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Really, did I somewhat miss the hipster manager Guardiola having his 4-1-4-1 both wingers, Sané and Sterling, hugging the line like there was no tomorrow?
 
Android1974 said:
Really, did I somewhat miss the hipster manager Guardiola having his 4-1-4-1 both wingers, Sané and Sterling, hugging the line like there was no tomorrow?
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Well the first thing is that City aren't a big club and never have been and the second is that both Sane and Sterling are levels above the incredibly limited Perisic.

Look at Barcelona, Bayern, Real Madrid and you'll see that the best attacking teams in the world play with inverted wide forwards. This idea that you need a 'Perisic' to function properly is nonsense.
 
An Irish Red said:
Well the first thing is that City aren't a big club and never have been and the second is that both Sane and Sterling are levels above the incredibly limited Perisic.

Look at Barcelona, Bayern, Real Madrid and you'll see that the best attacking teams in the world play with inverted wide forwards. This idea that you need a 'Perisic' to function properly is nonsense.
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Monaco and Juventus didn't, nor Dortmund nor Atlético nor Tottenham, etc., etc. It's much more varied than you make it sound.
 
An Irish Red said:
This idea that we need a left footed, touchline hugging winger on the left hand side is completely outdated; no other big club sets up like this anymore as the width comes from the fullbacks.

When you struggle going forward, and have a wide array of technically lacking workhorses, I really don't see how adding another one to the squad would do anything other than exacerbate our issues.
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You should read my post on a few pages back. I said something along the line that football work in cycle. The trend is with narrow attacker & wing back/ full back to provide width. But as team improve & the very top tier in Messi & Ronaldo that make it worth go with this wing forward would eventual wind down while their successors are significantly in doubt to ever reach their level, that tactic would eventually become less effective. Then new/ revived tactic would emerge. My predict is with out out winger.

Look back at the game vs Chelsea. While Young & Valencia can be said as wing back. If they're more quality attacking, they can enjoy more attacking role & is closer to a winger role than wing back's, as Darmian & Herrera played that narrowed full back role to plug the pocket of space that the narrow attacker often try to. It's not rigid 4-4-2 but, I see tweaked of 4-4-2 would eventually make a comeback. See that Atletico did it for a time now. Leicester won the league with some sort of 4-4-2 too. Real shame about Griezmann's transfer though.
 
ti vu said:
You should read my post on a few pages back. I said something along the line that football work in cycle. The trend is with narrow attacker & wing back/ full back to provide width. But as team improve & the very top tier in Messi & Ronaldo that make it worth go with this wing forward would eventual wind down while their successors are significantly in doubt to ever reach their level, that tactic would eventually become less effective. Then new/ revived tactic would emerge. My predict is with out out winger.

Look back at the game vs Chelsea. While Young & Valencia can be said as wing back. If they're more quality attacking, they can enjoy more attacking role & is closer to a winger role than wing back's, as Darmian & Herrera played that narrowed full back role to plug the pocket of space that the narrow attacker often try to. It's not rigid 4-4-2 but, I see tweaked of 4-4-2 would eventually make a comeback. See that Atletico did it for a time now. Leicester won the league with some sort of 4-4-2 too. Real shame about Griezmann's transfer though.
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Totally agreed with you we were definitely going 4-4-2 with the Griezmann signing, but now I have my doubts. Unless we sign two forwards, I'm afraid we're sticking to the hopeful 4-2-3-1 for the beginning of the season and Perišić seems adequate for that.
 
ti vu said:
Look back at the game vs Chelsea. While Young & Valencia can be said as wing back. If they're more quality attacking, they can enjoy more attacking role & is closer to a winger role than wing back's, as Darmian & Herrera played that narrowed full back role to plug the pocket of space that the narrow attacker often try to. It's not rigid 4-4-2 but, I see tweaked of 4-4-2 would eventually make a comeback. See that Atletico did it for a time now. Leicester won the league with some sort of 4-4-2 too. Real shame about Griezmann's transfer though.
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I'm not disputing that we should have more attacking fullbacks; on the contrary I think a massive part of our problem is the attacking limitations of Darmian, Blind and even Valencia to an extent.

But we will almost certainly play a one striker formation next year and we need a lot better than Perisic. We need guile, creativity and quality. We don't need a kick and run merchant.
 
An Irish Red said:
I'm not disputing that we should have more attacking fullbacks; on the contrary I think a massive part of our problem is the attacking limitations of Darmian, Blind and even Valencia to an extent.

But we will almost certainly play a one striker formation next year and we need a lot better than Perisic. We need guile, creativity and quality. We don't need a kick and run merchant.
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We may mainly play with 1 forward, but you're dismissing Martial & Rashford altogether if you think these 2 only get chance to when the main forward were rested. Mourinho during his 2 CL winning seasons play with 2 forward formations. He's not rigid manager in term of tactic. Style, yes. Not tactics.

As your initial post in responding to my post, you said that Perisic is left footed & play on the left wing. He has stronger right foot, but he's actually 2 footed & can be as competent on right wing too. Our problem last season is that we left too much for out limited/ one dimensional fullbacks to do with our attacker s keep drifting inside. Perisic is that fix. For example. Now instead of pushing Blind up field from the left wing, he can step into midfield while Pogba is afforded more freedom to drift left like he likes. There we 2 very good attacker on the wing, better option than last year (Perisic is better at covering the entire wing than in this case Blind; Pogba is Pogba & with less defensive responsibities he can be more focus on attacking). On the other wing, we already see that Mourinho is deploying Herrera to do the crossing work. Just need a more assurance for him to go on attacking.

I am not saying we shouldn't look for more quality than Perisic, just that there is more to team building than getting all better/ bigger names.
 
ti vu said:
As your initial post in responding to my post, you said that Perisic is left footed & play on the left wing. He has stronger right foot, but he's actually 2 footed & can be as competent on right wing too. Our problem last season is that we left too much for out limited/ one dimensional fullbacks to do with our attacker s keep drifting inside. Perisic is that fix. For example. Now instead of pushing Blind up field from the left wing, he can step into midfield while Pogba is afforded more freedom to drift left like he likes. There we 2 very good attacker on the wing, better option than last year (Perisic is better at covering the entire wing than in this case Blind; Pogba is Pogba & with less defensive responsibities he can be more focus on attacking). On the other wing, we already see that Mourinho is deploying Herrera to do the crossing work. Just need a more assurance for him to go on attacking.

I am not saying we shouldn't look for more quality than Perisic, just that there is more to team building than getting all better/ bigger names.
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I disagree about the source of our problems; I don't think our wide players drifting infield is the issue I believe it's their loose control and inability to navigate tight spaces and create chances that's the flaw.

We pretty much dominate most teams and play the game out in their half, the problem is that we don't have players who have the technical ability to take advantage of it.
 
An Irish Red said:
I disagree about the source of our problems; I don't think our wide players drifting infield is the issue I believe it's their loose control and inability to navigate tight spaces and create chances that's the flaw.

We pretty much dominate most teams and play the game out in their half, the problem is that we don't have players who have the technical ability to take advantage of it.
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Agree to disagree. Sure, we can pin the other team back but lack technical edge to deal damage; but the underlying issue is that we can't transit fast enough. Our ball carrier either played in deep position (Pogba, Valencia) or too inexperienced/ not natural to the role/inconsistent (Rashford,Mkhi, Lingard, Martial).

Keeping width is still a fundamental tactic even for team playing with wide players drifting inside. Our full backs as you said is not up to standard, then the attackers in crowded areas. So if we try to go with the trend, we will need to upgrade on our full back AND the attackers, especially wide attackers. That leaves us too much to do in one window (!!!); the same window where many other competitive teams also look to strength similar area: wingbacks/full backs. That's unrealistic when tweaking thing a bit with a different profile of winger & we can pretty much getting the job done with less signings. I explained how tactically Perisic can offer our team few times now so not gonna repeat it here
 
Deadline for Inter ffp is coming tomorrow. They've managed to sell only Banega till now. Interesting to see what happens.
 
So this ffp has to be resolved by tomorrow, i can't see Inter not having a plan to resolve the matter rather than just relying on the sale of Perisic.

I guess we will find out in a couple of days.
 
http://www.football-italia.net/104926/perisic-set-inter-renewal
Talks are reportedly underway between Inter and Ivan Perisic over a contract renewal.

The winger has been linked with Manchester United, but the English side won’t meet the Nerazzurri’s asking price and they have no intention of selling on the cheap.

According to this morning’s Gazzetta dello Sport, they have told United that Perisic costs €50m up until July 1, after which he’s not for sale.

Inter need to raise €30m by July to comply with Financial Fair Play, which is why the Red Devils are only offering that amount, but they're set to raise €9m from selling Ever Banega.

With other sales in the pipeline, they would rather keep Perisic than allow him to leave for less than his value just to meet FFP.

If they do hold onto the Croatian international though, the Beneamata will make sure to adjust his contract, with preliminary talks already taking place.

Perisic has three years left on his contract, and currently earns €3.5m per season, but Inter are now offering him €4m plus bonuses until 2022.
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So it looks like this is off. We have offered them 30m Euros only according to GdS till now.
 
KM said:
Deadline for Inter ffp is coming tomorrow. They've managed to sell only Banega till now. Interesting to see what happens.
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At least we'll know one way or another I suppose.

So if Inter don't raise enough funds by Saturday, they get a big fine? If so, they're silly not to sell him imo.
 
Think this might end with us selling Darmian to them in return for them selling us Perisic so the sum total brings them square with the FFP.
 
Inter are doing us a favour by putting such a stupid price on him, same as Spurs with Dier. We may be rich but thankfully we're not prepared to spend big on these mediocre players.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Inter are doing us a favour by putting such a stupid price on him, same as Spurs with Dier. We may be rich but thankfully we're not prepared to spend big on these mediocre players.
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I'm not a fan of Perisic but I'm also not particularly enthusuatic about the club failing to secure the manager's transfer targets. Ultimately, we need to let him build his team; only then can he be properly judged.
 
el3mel said:
I find it really funny that some fans are very happy a target that our manager asked to come may not come.
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Because some deluded fans think that he is defensive, even though he isn't and the likes of costa and all are way better even though they aren't
 
Infra-red said:
I'm not a fan of Perisic but I'm also not particularly enthusuatic about the club failing to secure the manager's transfer targets. Ultimately, we need to let him build his team; only then can he be properly judged.
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While that's true, paying more than 30m Euros for a 29 year old winger who let's face it is hardly a "star" would be daylight robbery.

We have to put our foot down somewhere, there's many other options. I would rather spend double that on Dembele etc.
 
el3mel said:
I find it really funny that some fans are very happy a target that our manager asked to come may not come.
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And no clear alternatives. Do people really think our second choice to Perisic is going to be a much better player?
 
Saf94 said:
And no clear alternatives. Do people really think our second choice to Perisic is going to be a much better player?
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Indeed. I wonder how everyone will feel when we find out our Perisic backup is James Milner.
 
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Saf94 said:
And no clear alternatives. Do people really think our second choice to Perisic is going to be a much better player?
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No clear alternatives from the media. Their magic 'priority lists' seems to be guess work. I'm more than sure Mourinho has his alternatives.
 
Perisic to renew, Fabinho to PSG and Matic to stay at chelsea if Conte doesn't get Bakayoko+another CDM. :lol:
 
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